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by Greyarcher
Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:39 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: The source of ethics
Replies: 177
Views: 38701

Re: The source of ethics

Surely to have a meaningful debate on ethics then you need a sensible definition of what ethics are? I suspect most are tautologies Ironically, I think we do not. We can have different meta-ethical perspectives, but if we're just discussing the internal consistency of normative systems then we may ...
by Greyarcher
Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:32 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Nine psychiatric patients in the Netherlands have euthanasia
Replies: 200
Views: 23283

Re: Nine psychiatric patients in the Netherlands have euthan

If you had an illness which impaired your ability to think things through properly, how would that affect your decision? For example, in this case, a man wasn't capable of envisioning a future in which he could be happily retired. It was "impossible for him to go on." Ostensibly this was ...
by Greyarcher
Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:03 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Nine psychiatric patients in the Netherlands have euthanasia
Replies: 200
Views: 23283

Re: Nine psychiatric patients in the Netherlands have euthan

Having considered suicide for a long period of my life, this is how I feel. I decided not to, in the end, or rather, I couldn't find an appropriately considerate and dignified way to do it, so I kept living until further progress on that could be made. Eventually my life got better, but that was ne...
by Greyarcher
Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:29 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Nine psychiatric patients in the Netherlands have euthanasia
Replies: 200
Views: 23283

Re: Nine psychiatric patients in the Netherlands have euthan

So next time somebody makes a thread on this forum about being chronically depressed and having suicidal thoughts, it would be ok to reply "Yeah it may actually be the case that suicide is the best solution for you". Because if you're ok with those cases in the Netherlands, that would act...
by Greyarcher
Wed Feb 26, 2014 6:57 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Nine psychiatric patients in the Netherlands have euthanasia
Replies: 200
Views: 23283

Re: Nine psychiatric patients in the Netherlands have euthan

Your position is interesting insofar as it's confusing, Heisenberg. I can't quite pin down a coherent map of the related principles and values. From what I can see, you've notably mentioned: 1. Your conscience tells you killing is wrong. 2. People's death causing suffering to others. 3. People do no...
by Greyarcher
Thu May 02, 2013 6:31 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: In other news... (humorous news items)
Replies: 14876
Views: 2326293

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

I don't really see a problem with the drill. :| Well, except that it may be a bit silly and inefficient. I mean, I suppose it's a way of getting some of them more emotionally involved in a possible danger rather than treating in a hypothetical "it-won't-actually-happen-here" way but...eh.
by Greyarcher
Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:46 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Definition of Free Will
Replies: 728
Views: 143429

Re: Definition of Free Will

So, if I cannot model free will, but observe people acting freely, I can only conclude it's a failure in my model, not an "illusion" of observation. This is a remark you repeat, so I will ask: what do you observe about people that must be explained by "that person must be free" ...
by Greyarcher
Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:18 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Thousands March on Washington Supporting the Right to Life
Replies: 49
Views: 7554

Re: Thousands March on Washington Supporting the Right to Li

The wiki has a surprisingly extensive article on infanticide in various times and places.

So, yeah, social norms.
by Greyarcher
Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:01 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: More Police + Science =Less Prisons
Replies: 14
Views: 1989

Re: More Police + Science =Less Prisons

That's...pretty darn cool. I admit, I would've similarly thought, "Wouldn't the crime just move elsewhere?" I doubt I'll ever see a follow up article but it would be great if they manage to replicate the results in other places.
by Greyarcher
Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:57 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Thousands March on Washington Supporting the Right to Life
Replies: 49
Views: 7554

Re: Thousands March on Washington Supporting the Right to Li

Oh, the news outlets don't care? Splendid.

I give consideration, loosely speaking, according to the level of mind something has, so people could shuffle zygotes into an incinerator all day if they liked. Might as well be amoeba or somesuch.
by Greyarcher
Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:46 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Definition of Free Will
Replies: 728
Views: 143429

Re: Definition of Free Will

So, if I cannot model free will, but observe people acting freely, I can only conclude it's a failure in my model, not an "illusion" of observation. This is a remark you repeat, so I will ask: what do you observe about people that must be explained by "that person must be free" ...
by Greyarcher
Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:55 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Definition of Free Will
Replies: 728
Views: 143429

Re: Definition of Free Will

We don't. But we do need to know what "hot" means. More to the point, we need to know what "burn" means if we are going to say that stars "burn", by whatever means. Ah, ok. By hot, it would be something observed and felt. An opposite of cold. So free will, is an opposi...
by Greyarcher
Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:45 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Catholic hospital argues fetuses aren’t people
Replies: 226
Views: 16358

Re: Catholic hospital argues fetuses aren’t people

Actually, I think there might be some wiggle room on the Catholic side here. They're people of society as well as people of their religion after all. So they have grounds for objecting to wrongful application of law even if they would like that to be a correct application of law in society. On the o...
by Greyarcher
Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:02 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Definition of Free Will
Replies: 728
Views: 143429

Re: Definition of Free Will

Greyarcher, I do not need to understand gravity or aerodynamics to observe birds do fly. Likewise, I do not need to understand the all and everything about the mechanisms of choice (although thankfully we understand some of them) to observe people do act freely. Would you agree? No. I think...
by Greyarcher
Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:20 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Bill to make Rape/Incest Abortions "Destruction of Evidence"
Replies: 102
Views: 11720

Re: Bill to make Rape/Incest Abortions "Destruction of Evide

I think I'm seeing PM's point here. As I read it, doesn't it mean that a female who commits rape, and is subsequently pregnant, and then has an abortion to destroy evidence will not be chargeable under this bill. Which...I really can't decide whether this is good or bad, seeing as you would be crim...
by Greyarcher
Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:55 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Definition of Free Will
Replies: 728
Views: 143429

Re: Definition of Free Will

Greyarcher, I do not need to understand gravity or aerodynamics to observe birds do fly. Likewise, I do not need to understand the all and everything about the mechanisms of choice (although thankfully we understand some of them) to observe people do act freely. Would you agree? No. I think ucim me...
by Greyarcher
Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:36 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Bill to make Rape/Incest Abortions "Destruction of Evidence"
Replies: 102
Views: 11720

Re: Bill to make Rape/Incest Abortions "Destruction of Evide

As an extra precaution--unless it's covered elsewhere--they could add that the abortion providers couldn't be charged as abetting this type of crime. To discourage possible chilling effects. It might be going a little far but, with the way some folks try to sneakily push their agendas, maybe it's no...
by Greyarcher
Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:19 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Definition of Free Will
Replies: 728
Views: 143429

Re: Definition of Free Will

I'm not sure how acquiring information (i.e. learning) at some prior time really... Acquiring information is not learning - not in the sense that I mean it. Learning is changing one's predisposition towards (some future unknown) action because of acquired information. To make a parallel, deliberati...
by Greyarcher
Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:56 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Definition of Free Will
Replies: 728
Views: 143429

Re: Definition of Free Will

One can choose with very little deliberation, but with no deliberation at all it isn't a choice, it's an automatism. I don't entirely agree, but just realized why. If an entity is not capable of learning, and it chooses with no deliberation at all, then I would agree that on some level, it is autom...
by Greyarcher
Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:56 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Definition of Free Will
Replies: 728
Views: 143429

Re: Definition of Free Will

So if the question is, "Are human decisions 'free'?" then I would normally "shelve" the question because our studies of the brain and genetics have yet to reach a depth where we understand the many influences and interactions that go into the process. Fair enough. I've no commen...
by Greyarcher
Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:04 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Definition of Free Will
Replies: 728
Views: 143429

Re: Definition of Free Will

Greyarcher, my argument is not that the human mind is a bit of a mystery, but that the entire system or universe or physical laws are. So how can we state our current models or observations are so complete and exhaustive so as to rule out any type of "free" will? Our understanding of the ...
by Greyarcher
Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:48 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Definition of Free Will
Replies: 728
Views: 143429

Re: Definition of Free Will

If we cannot confirm, describe or know my box (in this simple thought experiment, or could we even set it up as a real experiment?), then no one can tell me "TechyBen's decisions are based of deterministic inputs and are thus predictable in essence" or "TechyBen's decisions are based...
by Greyarcher
Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:24 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: How is "personal responsibility" meaningful?
Replies: 60
Views: 19844

Re: How is "personal responsibility" meaningful?

Aside from matters of punishment and/or restitution, I don't see how "personal responsibility" is a useful concept. It's especially baffling in the context of wanting someone else to change their behavior. When someone performs an action, it's because of the processes of their brain as we...
by Greyarcher
Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:58 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Definition of Free Will
Replies: 728
Views: 143429

Re: Definition of Free Will

If we cannot state what my machine is restricted by, through external observation, we cannot state what my decision mechanisms are restricted by through external observations (or by extension what mechanism of cause is in the rest of physics, if still making external observations). Can we? Thus we ...
by Greyarcher
Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:39 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Definition of Free Will
Replies: 728
Views: 143429

Re: Definition of Free Will

Ha! It's pretty neat to see some of this vocalized, since I recognize some of these variants as things I've never managed to drag to a satisfactory conclusion. Models of the self, freedom, identity, mechanisms, and competing desires are particularly recurring themes. The idea of "being a slave ...
by Greyarcher
Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:57 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Wal-Mart has police remove congressman-elect from store for:
Replies: 175
Views: 18670

Re: Wal-Mart has police remove congressman-elect from store

yoni45 wrote:I mean, it's nice that you think that people should be paid more and all, but it's rather easy to hold that position when it's not you who's going to be doing the paying.
It means she doesn't have a conflict of interests. :wink: /is-only-half-joking

--and I'm suddenly reminded of John Rawls.
by Greyarcher
Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:21 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
Replies: 6262
Views: 498093

Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

So far there have been 13 rockets launched from Gaza after the ceasefire took effect. Yeah, I was reading the BBC article and was amused to see: Israeli police said a handful of rockets were fired out of Gaza after the ceasefire but no injuries or damage were reported. I think it's funny how it's j...
by Greyarcher
Wed Nov 21, 2012 4:57 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Definition of Free Will
Replies: 728
Views: 143429

Re: Definition of Free Will

"Here's a different way to look at it: First order freedom= Doing what you want to do. (for instance, you might want to play minesweeper) Second order freedom= Wanting what you want to want. (it's doubtful that you want to want to play minesweeper; whereas you quite possibly want to want to gr...
by Greyarcher
Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:17 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
Replies: 6262
Views: 498093

Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

Regarding the military/non-military site blend, and the targeting of such sites, there's small tangential remarks in the proportionality section. I think the absence of a definitive statement is more telling than anything else on the matter. I imagine the law doesn't draw a hard line precisely beca...
by Greyarcher
Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:09 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
Replies: 6262
Views: 498093

Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

And that is why it is important to ask questions like, "Why have so many more Palestinians died by the IDF than Israelis have died by Hamas?" instead of just sweeping the issue under the rug. Everything else aside, this looks like a terrible and irrelevant question because the answer is: ...
by Greyarcher
Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:40 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Definition of Free Will
Replies: 728
Views: 143429

Re: Definition of Free Will

My point was more that this whole idea of 2nd order Free Will seems a bit fuzzy, or even meaningless, if there's no objective way to decide what it is I really want. Kapeesh? I think the only way it would be meaningless is if everyone was ignorant of their own preferences. But I don't think there's...
by Greyarcher
Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:39 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Mars radiation levels tolerable
Replies: 4
Views: 1341

Re: Mars radiation levels tolerable

I was a little surprised that there was enough atmosphere to impact the radiation levels like that. That's pretty neat.
by Greyarcher
Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:36 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
Replies: 6262
Views: 498093

Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

Nor does it change the psychological impact of the constant threat. Right, that's part of the info I get from it. Usually I only see articles about it when there's actual deaths--usually when Israel launches a counter-strike, because their strikes aren't similarly inaccurate. So that wiki article w...
by Greyarcher
Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:14 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
Replies: 6262
Views: 498093

Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2012 Huh. I had no idea there were such persistent strikes. That's sort of ridiculous (for lack of a better term). :| BBC, you have failed me (or I just missed the article where they collate such interesting data). Do you al...
by Greyarcher
Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:28 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Definition of Free Will
Replies: 728
Views: 143429

Re: Definition of Free Will

Your perspective on this, especially that wall of unfreedom that I have also encountered, is very interesting. However when I first read this description of 2nd order freedom and unfreedom, my reaction was to ask whether it was completely backwards, i.e..... Example of second-order freedom: wanting...
by Greyarcher
Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:11 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Definition of Free Will
Replies: 728
Views: 143429

Re: Definition of Free Will

Are there any real world examples of the second order of freedom and loss thereof? Example of second-order freedom: wanting to get my grading done, thinking that I should get it done, and doing it. Example of second-order unfreedom: wanting to get my grading done, thinking that I should get it done...
by Greyarcher
Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:38 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
Replies: 6262
Views: 498093

Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pa ... rael,_2012
Huh. I had no idea there were such persistent strikes. That's sort of ridiculous (for lack of a better term). :| BBC, you have failed me (or I just missed the article where they collate such interesting data).
by Greyarcher
Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:01 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Definition of Free Will
Replies: 728
Views: 143429

Re: Definition of Free Will

I am reminded of an article that discussed first order and second order freedom of the will; the freedom to will a [personal] action, and the freedom to will the [personal] action that you want to will. Now, the standard causal and mechanistic limitation arguments apply to both first and second orde...
by Greyarcher
Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:32 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Screening of Documentary on Islam Shut Down.
Replies: 230
Views: 22966

Re: Screening of Documentary on Islam Shut Down.

Religions, just like opinions, are not created equal. They ultimately have to be evaluated on their current implementation No, not really. Why not judge them by what they actually say? With Islam this is easy as there's one book and it hasn't ever changed. If I claimed to be following a specific di...
by Greyarcher
Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:14 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: English court allows doctors to force-feed anorexic woman
Replies: 30
Views: 5520

Re: English court allows doctors to force-feed anorexic woma

Urgh. I think I have a strong respect for the autonomy of others with regards to decisions about themselves, and while I have a sense of contrary principles that may grant an exception to that principle of respect, I have great difficulty fathoming them. Probably because the moment we override their...

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