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by Netreker0
Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:29 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 5322
Views: 730479

Re: Police misbehavior thread

On the topic of the low bar for police, and in all fairness to them, they did come out against Trump's statements about roughing up suspects so... yay, progress?
by Netreker0
Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:05 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 3364
Views: 204589

Re: Trump presidency

Well, considering that I never accused you of the ad hominem fallacy, as YOU were the one who asserted , I didn't have the strict definition on hand and was trying to articulate it from memory. However, since you find it so important to clarify, why don't you state the articulation of the statement...
by Netreker0
Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:50 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 3364
Views: 204589

Re: Trump presidency

I believe what CorruptUser is asking for, and what I would also like to hear, is what you think those guidelines might be? Is the line advocating violence? I think you could make a convincing case that--on the abstract--speech that advocates violence should be put into a special case that gets less...
by Netreker0
Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:12 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 3364
Views: 204589

Re: Trump presidency

Those of us with our heads slightly less far up our own asses recognize that genocide is not a political opinion on par with "Rich people should pay higher taxes", over which reasonable people might legitimately disagree. The test for whether "reasonable people might legitimately dis...
by Netreker0
Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:44 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 3364
Views: 204589

Re: Trump presidency

Umm, tribalism doesn't mean what you think it does. I may have misused the term slightly here but I know what it means. I was trying to avoid conflating defensible groups (like say republicans...kind of) that people are loyal to, with nazis. Oh, that is a bit unexpected, sorry that I misunderstood....
by Netreker0
Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:37 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 3364
Views: 204589

Re: Trump presidency

Uh... not really the point I was trying to make. More like... if some individuals driving cars into people in the name of nazism doesn't hurt their influence, why does some individuals punching nazis in the name of anti-nazism hurt anti-nazi influence? The simple, superior answer? Because we're bet...
by Netreker0
Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:09 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 3364
Views: 204589

Re: Trump presidency

It's exactly the sort of populist tribalism that the alt-right is fomenting. Okay but Nazis arent a tribe in this metaphor. It's an invalid tribe. They're not a race or a minority. It's some white people who hate people who aren't white so they think they should die. Umm, tribalism doesn't mean wha...
by Netreker0
Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:46 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 3364
Views: 204589

Re: Trump presidency

And nobody is worse than a Nazi, it's impossible. Child rapists? Hey, why be just one kind of monster? Hartmut Hopp, a one-time aide to Paul Schaefer, leader of a Nazi child sex ring that operated out of Chile for over three decades, has been jailed in Germany. Okay, so we agree to disagree on ...
by Netreker0
Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:00 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 3364
Views: 204589

Re: Trump presidency

Spoiler'd for thread derailment Netreker0, your series of strange novellas above began with some rather bizarre assumptions and accusations about my post which I'll briefly attempt to unpack. Firstly, you accused me of being unprincipled and tribalistic for allowing our hypothetical Nazi to be ...
by Netreker0
Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:33 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 3364
Views: 204589

Re: Trump presidency

If you can't make your point without resorting to blatant lies about the position you're arguing against, then maybe it was a shit point to begin with and you should stop trying to argue it. You should consider your own principles and ask yourself how well you've lived up to them. Making excuses fo...
by Netreker0
Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:02 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 3364
Views: 204589

Re: Trump presidency

That isn't what the ad hominem fallacy is and I didn't accuse you of being that guy. Well, considering that I never accused you of the ad hominem fallacy, as YOU were the one who asserted , I didn't have the strict definition on hand and was trying to articulate it from memory. However, since you f...
by Netreker0
Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:53 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 5322
Views: 730479

Re: Police misbehavior thread

If you're trying to argue there's a meaningful difference, it might be helpful to specify what country you're talking about and give a specific example of the kind of law you're talking about then. Ah, sorry - I mentioned in a previous comment that I was talking about the Crown Prosecution Service ...
by Netreker0
Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:38 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 3364
Views: 204589

Re: Trump presidency

Okay, if we're moving into ad hominens... I can't have a serious discussion with someone if they keep accusing me of fallacies they don't actually understand. I'm not accusing you of the ad hominem fallacy (which is to attack a person in order to undermine their argument.) In fact, to me it seems l...
by Netreker0
Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:27 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 3364
Views: 204589

Re: Trump presidency

Regardless, I'm not saying shooting Hitler in the face would save the day. I'm saying that if you found out some guy was about to shoot Hitler in the face -- and you knew what you know now -- I don't think you'd be the guy who yells "HITLER, WATCH OUT!". I think you'd probably just shrug ...
by Netreker0
Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:36 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 5322
Views: 730479

Re: Police misbehavior thread

The U.S. has this under the broad umbrella of prosecutorial discretion, which also lets you consider the likelihood the case will succeed and how much it will cost to do so. True, but the pertinent difference for me is that prosecutorial discretion (if I've understood it correctly) lets prosecutors...
by Netreker0
Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:18 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 3364
Views: 204589

Re: Trump presidency

I disagree with your interpretation of recent changes to the law Please explain then. And you accuse ME of strawmanning. I was clearly talking about present Germany not present day China (or wherever else). Not strawmanning. Simply pointing out that the bar for having "no freedom at all" ...
by Netreker0
Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:50 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 3364
Views: 204589

Re: Trump presidency

I don't tolerate Nazis, any more than I tolerate unprincipled hypocrites. I do, however, recognize that in a country ruled by laws and recognizing individual rights, the same law that prevents me from punching you in the face also prevents me from punching a Nazi in the face. Hitler was elected; he...
by Netreker0
Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:49 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 3364
Views: 204589

Re: Trump presidency

At some point a person is engaging in 'fighting words' and has given up their legal protection against being attacked. Before we discuss any further, you should know that I'm using the legal definition of "fighting words," which is apparently very different from how you're using them. Sin...
by Netreker0
Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:28 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 3364
Views: 204589

Re: Trump presidency

But punching the Nazi makes you just as bad. If anything, it makes you worse Unless you go on to advocate genocide after you punch the Nazi, punching a Nazi doesn't make you worse than being a Nazi. Making excuses for Nazis and spending most of your effort railing against the people who refuse to t...
by Netreker0
Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:27 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 3364
Views: 204589

Re: Trump presidency

Nazis should be punched in the face purely out of principle. And no, punching a Nazi doesn't make you worse than a Nazi; that's the stupidest thing anyone has said all day, including Trump. Being a Nazi means you're an idiot who thinks it's great to glorify a racist and murderous regime, and may or...
by Netreker0
Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:09 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 5322
Views: 730479

Re: Police misbehavior thread

This is (if applied properly) one of the advantages of the "public interest" test for UK criminal prosecutions, which actually bakes these sort of cases into judicial procedure. Basically if the Crown Prosecution Service (roughly the equivalent of state or federal prosecutors offices) dec...
by Netreker0
Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:02 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 3364
Views: 204589

Re: Trump presidency

Here's the thing, though. If you want to proudly proclaim that you're a Nazi, I will vehemently support your right to do so. But if you expect me to lift a finger to prevent you from being punched, you've made a substantial miscalculation. By that, you mean he's severely overestimated your adherenc...
by Netreker0
Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:37 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: How would you change the U.S. tax system?
Replies: 197
Views: 15328

Re: How would you change the U.S. tax system?

One thing that I think is a big advantage is that cherry-picking is very difficult to impossible. It you want to increase taxes on the poor, then you have to change the same function that dictates the tax rate for the rich. Wait, so the reason you want to change the tax calculation regime to math t...
by Netreker0
Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:23 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Wealth taxation
Replies: 93
Views: 10065

Re: Wealth taxation

Unfortunately, I have no studies to draw from, only my own anecdotal experiences living a month or two at a time in a pretty wide variety of places, but in my defense, I wasn't aware that this debate was at the point where studies were needed. The arguments in favor of the efficiency of cities are l...
by Netreker0
Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:16 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: How would you change the U.S. tax system?
Replies: 197
Views: 15328

Re: How would you change the U.S. tax system?

O.k. I forgot the word marginal; but in my defense, I did name the exact column of the chart that I was referring to. Maybe now that the stupid semantics are clear up, I can actually talk about my ideas. I have been repeatedly asking you to talk about your ideas. You were the one who made the decis...
by Netreker0
Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:30 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Wealth taxation
Replies: 93
Views: 10065

Re: Wealth taxation

Can we please agree on some of the basics? ... 2) Densely packed cities use fewer resources per person than spread out suburbs, while providing more services Umm, have you ever lived in a densely packed city? Yes, in many respects, decreasing travel distance and what are essentially the benefits of...
by Netreker0
Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:46 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: How would you change the U.S. tax system?
Replies: 197
Views: 15328

Re: How would you change the U.S. tax system?

I quoted the Tax Foundation, which has been in operation since 1937 and every member of the senior staff has a college degree, and you countered with Wikipedia. Respectfully, are you trying to have a productive conversation, or are you merely trying to score points? The definition of tax rate, as o...
by Netreker0
Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:15 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 5322
Views: 730479

Re: Police misbehavior thread

Jury nullification refers to one thing and one thing only--a not guilty verdict. A not guilty verdict does not mean innocent. It only means that the state failed to meet its very stringent standard of proof to demonstrate guilt. This can never be legally unjustified. The prosecution has the burden ...
by Netreker0
Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:08 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 5322
Views: 730479

Re: Police misbehavior thread

The idea that the statute of limitations can expire while the crime is still in progress is baffling to me. Generally speaking, it can't. The statute of limitations only begins to toll once the crime ends. I'm guessing the way they game the system is by treating the wrongful arrest/prosecution itse...
by Netreker0
Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:53 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 5322
Views: 730479

Re: Police misbehavior thread

None-the-less, Jury Nullification remains an important check-and-balance in the legal system - whereby a jury can and sometimes should render a judgement which is not 'legally justified' in a strictly rational sense, to serve the greater good. I'm afraid this once again betrays a lack of understand...
by Netreker0
Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:19 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: How would you change the U.S. tax system?
Replies: 197
Views: 15328

Re: How would you change the U.S. tax system?

As for your other reasons, they are laudable goals that, unfortunately have nothing to do with our current system of tax brackets. I said that this is where I would start; not where I would end. Doing this is not going to fix the huge mess that is U.S. tax law. However, it is a relatively uncontrov...
by Netreker0
Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:02 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 5322
Views: 730479

Re: Police misbehavior thread

I guess he hadn't known that. They all sure know it now. This is why I'm a big fan of making it mandatory to keep those cameras on all the time while off duty, and to impose stiff penalties for non-compliance. The actual details of implementation would obviously have to consider fairness to the off...
by Netreker0
Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:13 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: How would you change the U.S. tax system?
Replies: 197
Views: 15328

Re: How would you change the U.S. tax system?

Respectfully, this isn't totalitarianism Correct. However it's the kind of absolutist thinking that complements and leads to totalitarianism, or at least authoritarianism. I don't mean to be snarky, but why did you quote me, leave out the very next part where I explicitly state that totalitarianism...
by Netreker0
Sun Jul 30, 2017 5:24 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 5322
Views: 730479

Re: Police misbehavior thread

I don't think you understand what an attorney's obligations are. An attorney of any sort has an ethical obligation not to submit any argument or defense that isn't factually or legally justifiable. This isn't widely enforced with sanctions--often, it happens because a young attorney or even an expe...
by Netreker0
Sun Jul 30, 2017 5:13 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: How would you change the U.S. tax system?
Replies: 197
Views: 15328

Re: How would you change the U.S. tax system?

0% income tax on all income up to $50,000 per household member. 100% tax on all income above $50,000 per household member. You know this is supposed to be Serious Business, right? Yes, and I'm completely serious. I guess you don't mind totalitarianism. Jose Respectfully, this isn't totalitarianism ...
by Netreker0
Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:09 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 5322
Views: 730479

Re: Police misbehavior thread

I support everybody getting a defense. It would be horrible to have a legal system in which this wasn't the case. However, the defense they are using doesn't seem particularly strong here... Granted, I didn't see the event, so I don't know the full story, just what has been reported. I agree, but w...
by Netreker0
Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:43 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1793: "Soda Sugar Comparisons"
Replies: 132
Views: 14142

Re: 1793: "Soda Sugar Comparisons"

Considering he measures height using giraffes (https://what-if.xkcd.com/44/) and launch vehicle capacities in horses (https://xkcd.com/1461/), I doubt the idea of using fluid ounces for a comic read globally is going to bother him that much. In all seriousness though, that'd be a lot of work, and *...
by Netreker0
Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:37 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1793: "Soda Sugar Comparisons"
Replies: 132
Views: 14142

Re: 1793: "Soda Sugar Comparisons"

The other rows are just an application of the principle that multiplying a number by an integer greater than one gives you a number that's several times bigger than the original number. It's a shoddy journalistic/political technique... No, it has its uses. People don't think much of a $99/month cab...
by Netreker0
Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:47 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1792: "Bird/Plane/Superman"
Replies: 76
Views: 9194

Re: 1792: "Bird/Plane/Superman"

Also, if you're really concerned about attacks like the U.S.S. Cole bombing, you should lobby for a real replacement or a substantial refit for the Arleigh Burke class destroyer. I don't recall if people in this forum in particular were like this, but I find that a lot of sciencey type people and m...
by Netreker0
Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:58 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1792: "Bird/Plane/Superman"
Replies: 76
Views: 9194

Re: 1792: "Bird/Plane/Superman"

In India, they created a fine for planes which intentionally dump their waste, which I doubt they would have bothered to do if it weren't possible and didn't happen regularly. In the US, they blocked entry from a bunch of countries because "terrorism", despite the fact that no one from th...

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