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by arbiteroftruth
Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:00 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 8239
Views: 657562

Re: Trump presidency

Again, laws make implicit judgements that the party who broke the law is in the wrong. That will influence the jury, and in practice the juries will likely just defer to the law. What, exactly, is your concern with not codifying murder? That people aren't going to recognize killing is wrong? Look i...
by arbiteroftruth
Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:42 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 8239
Views: 657562

Re: Trump presidency

Juries determine the facts, not the law, and they have proven to be terrible and tend to defer to police judgement. And again, you still have the same problem - you aren't explaining how we can enforce the law consistently. The laws are only serving to protect the police from liability if they arre...
by arbiteroftruth
Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:21 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 8239
Views: 657562

Re: Trump presidency

The point is that laws don't solve the problem that you are using to justify laws. You can't make a judgement without looking at the situation as a whole, since every situation is different. Even then, laws themselves are not consistent with each other and until you can develop a universal theory o...
by arbiteroftruth
Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:19 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 8239
Views: 657562

Re: Trump presidency

in practice every single arrest any police officer makes is a contribution to a biased and unequal system. Perhaps, but that's not *all* it is. In many cases, it is also separating someone from society who would need to be separated from society even in a perfect system. Due to our flawed prison sy...
by arbiteroftruth
Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:04 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 8239
Views: 657562

Re: Trump presidency

LOL Please don't pretend that laws are applied consistently or that sentencing is at all sensible today. I would never dream of it. But since I was speaking in the context of your hypothetical scenario where society doesn't even *have* laws for the obvious things, I'm at a loss regarding the releva...
by arbiteroftruth
Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:57 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 8239
Views: 657562

Re: Trump presidency

You don't really need laws for the obvious things. You just need communities that know how to deal with the problems that arise. And to do that consistently, you might want to write down how we as a community will deal with some of the more common and obvious problems. Things like what to do with s...
by arbiteroftruth
Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:50 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 8239
Views: 657562

Re: Trump presidency

@natraj But it's not like *all* laws are oppressive by nature. There are still the basics like catching murderers. That's not targeting vulnerable people (except in the sense that vulnerable-->desperate-->more likely to commit crimes, but that wouldn't be a matter of the law being unjust), and it's ...
by arbiteroftruth
Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:26 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 8239
Views: 657562

Re: Trump presidency

@Pfhorrest re: tritarianism It's a bit more than just one being filling three roles though. Or at least, it's more than is captured by the metaphor using a human. The classic example I've heard in this regard is the account of Jesus' baptism, where you have the Son in human form getting baptized, th...
by arbiteroftruth
Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:33 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 8239
Views: 657562

Re: Trump presidency

The Christian families were bewildered, 'why do they hate us, the trinity is very simple it's just a 3 sided paper, we aren't polytheists how could they say that about us' While I was born in what is historically a Catholic country (and my four grandparents were Catholics) that trinity thing that i...
by arbiteroftruth
Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:04 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 8239
Views: 657562

Re: Trump presidency

I believe the point is that saying "only Jews get to decide who counts as Jewish" is circular reasoning, at least if it's not refined more. You'd have to go with something like "Judaism is defined by the prevailing consensus among all people who call themselves Jewish", in which ...
by arbiteroftruth
Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:58 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: In other news... (humorous news items)
Replies: 15022
Views: 2434913

Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

What I would like to know is whether the shredder was remotely controlled, or whether it had some means of sensing that the picture was being sold. If it is the latter, then I would like to know how such a feat was accomplished. And if the former, then this sounds like felony destruction of property.
by arbiteroftruth
Sat Sep 29, 2018 12:15 am UTC
Forum: Movies and TV Shows
Topic: The Good Plaice
Replies: 64
Views: 13739

Re: The Good Plaice

Season 2 started with 800+ reboots in, I think, 22 minutes. They established the premise, got some great jokes out of it, and moved on to the next plot twist. Here, we spent 45 minutes getting the group back together, which we knew had to happen going in. You're thinking of the second aired epi...
by arbiteroftruth
Fri Aug 31, 2018 8:54 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 47814

Re: Libertarianism

i think a lot of this is making matters needlessly complex the effect of an ubi, if funded by an income tax at least, is simply to move all incomes closer to each other. literally, just take a graph of incomes and vertically squish it centered on the mean. that's 100% of what an income tax funded u...
by arbiteroftruth
Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:57 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 47814

Re: Libertarianism

The Long Answer Your Secondly point. You.. are aware people enter in to agreements all the time where both parties benefit from the arrangement, right? Like, that's the point of employment, self or otherwise - or at least the ideal of it. You provide work for someone who cannot do the work, the per...
by arbiteroftruth
Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:27 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 47814

Re: Libertarianism

Owning a business is not rent. Owning lots of little pieces of lots of businesses is not rent. Why not? If I own a widget-making company, but I don't actually do any work in that company, am I not renting the widget-making equipment to the employees, who then have to pay me a portion of the revenue...
by arbiteroftruth
Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:25 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 47814

Re: Libertarianism

Essentially, it's simply saying that someone can only sell a property, not merely rent it. That is the point, yes. Renting will become as unaffordable as buying. Maybe technically true, but because the cost of buying will be forced to come down. Landlords who can't be landlords anymore will have no...
by arbiteroftruth
Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:12 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 47814

Re: Libertarianism

rewinding back to the topic of unaffordable housing, i just remembered a point i wanted to make back then but forget: a shortage of places to live is not the problem facing the people stuck renting in expensive places, because THEY ALL LIVE THERE ALREADY so obviously there are places enough for the...
by arbiteroftruth
Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:07 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 47814

Re: Libertarianism

Thesh, you seem to be taking the most extreme examples of exploitative situations, and regarding that as a fundamental feature of profit, rather than as what it is: an exceptional circumstance in which the profit-motive approach has broken down. In your example, if you're down to only one option, th...
by arbiteroftruth
Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:31 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 47814

Re: Libertarianism

1. I'm not talking about doing anything to incentivize private investment. I'm only saying that a moral economic system ought to allow it without intrusion, and asserting that the market will in fact find value in that. 2. In your ideal system, who runs the private banks? If they're privately owned ...
by arbiteroftruth
Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:08 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 47814

Re: Libertarianism

Suppose we take your notion of loans being provided by a public bank/risk pool, my question is after the public bank invests in a widget-making company, who is going to invest in the second widget-making company? The public investment fund has a low return on investment either way, because the succe...
by arbiteroftruth
Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:00 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 47814

Re: Libertarianism

Everything you're saying is true, if you're dealing with an individual investment in a vacuum. But as I said, the individual investment approach allows competition of investment strategies, as well as more naturally allowing simultaneous investments in competing ventures. The former improves efficie...
by arbiteroftruth
Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:21 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 47814

Re: Libertarianism

A sustainable insurance program is the exact same concept, just with the expected average benefit being distributed through a risk pool instead of delivered to an individual accepting the risk. There's nothing wrong with such an insurance system, but likewise I see nothing wrong with rewarding an in...
by arbiteroftruth
Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:45 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 47814

Re: Libertarianism

@Pfhorrest: I agree up to a point. A totally free market with no interference compounds successes with subsequent advantages, leading to some potential for runaway success somewhat independent of ongoing merit. But I think most of that comes down to efficiencies of scale, so a correctly tuned progre...
by arbiteroftruth
Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:51 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 47814

Re: Libertarianism

Alice ended up with the most value only because she had the most property tied up in the situation to begin with. If you flip it around, with a large number of initial victims and a small number of innocent recipients of the ill-gotten gains, the recipients will still be the ones controlling more va...
by arbiteroftruth
Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:38 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 47814

Re: Libertarianism

The social-scale equivalent of that "best we could do" would be, surprise, to divide up the property evenly among the people. No, the social-scale equivalent would be to divide up the difference between what each person has and what they deserve. Let's do a slight expansion of the small s...
by arbiteroftruth
Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:09 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 47814

Re: Libertarianism

The child who grows up with a murdered parent is indeed disadvantaged in the present day. It is still not just to punish the murderer's children, even when we know who the murderer's children are. It is even worse to punish at random if we do not know who the murderer's children are. I think this &...
by arbiteroftruth
Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:02 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 47814

Re: Libertarianism

You are making a moral judgement that there is no right to redistribute property, so either you have made a decision that the current distribution is just, or you are convinced that libertarianism will undo the harm. False dichotomy. It may be that the current distribution is unjust, but that an ac...
by arbiteroftruth
Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:01 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 47814

Re: Libertarianism

If you allow for groups of people to be owners of property, then you can consider the group of all people ("the public") to be the owner of property. If that group initially owns everything, even if they're not occupying it (because ownership is not based on occupation, we're assuming), t...
by arbiteroftruth
Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:33 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 8239
Views: 657562

Re: Trump presidency

Tyndmyr, I'm not saying you're defending Trump as cost effective for the whole society or country The thing you seem to keep missing is the lack of evidence that even Trump himself is trying to obtain the greatest benefit for the people of the United States. Well, that's about the fastest change of...
by arbiteroftruth
Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:45 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 8239
Views: 657562

Re: Trump presidency

All investment is prioritizing the future over the present. Investing in the environment, a bridge, or a company is not different in that respect. Prima facie evidence for libertarianism being the idea of "I've got mine, so fuck you." " I can afford to live in suburbs and commute to ...
by arbiteroftruth
Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:02 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 8239
Views: 657562

Re: Trump presidency

They're literally building concentration camps for Latinx immigrants, fuckwit. Profanity aside, thank you for making my point. Any country, regardless of its type of government, will try to control who crosses its borders. The measures the United States is currently taking to stem the influx of ali...
by arbiteroftruth
Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:57 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 8239
Views: 657562

Re: Trump presidency

Funny how the law only started getting executed in this specific fashion when Trump came into office. It's almost like the President's language and behavior has an impact on how people execute the law! It's almost like that's why I was talking about things that should change in order to fix the sit...
by arbiteroftruth
Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:02 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 8239
Views: 657562

Re: Trump presidency

How does one determine the 'spirit of the law'? Do you go ask the people who wrote the law every time you intend to enforce it? No, of course not. Of course not. You (generic 'you') operate under the assumption that the law isn't intentionally evil, because if you don't take that assumption then yo...
by arbiteroftruth
Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:02 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 8239
Views: 657562

Re: Trump presidency

"Just cross at a legitimate point of entry," they said. "You'll be fine," they said. https://twitter.com/Nawazistan/status/1010482762544046080 US officials have repeatedly said anyone looking to enter the US should do so legally, at a port of entry, where they'll be processed in...
by arbiteroftruth
Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:21 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: "Socialism" and "capitalism" are the same
Replies: 218
Views: 26868

Re: "Socialism" and "capitalism" are the same

When it comes to the problem of people who don't need jobs at all because their investments alone provide enough income to live on, here's how I see it. The idea in capitalism is that an investment is a risk. The investor is providing a real service to the business in particular and to society in ge...
by arbiteroftruth
Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:02 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: "Socialism" and "capitalism" are the same
Replies: 218
Views: 26868

Re: "Socialism" and "capitalism" are the same

But if every worker has a share in the ownership of the business, doesn't that mean every worker has a share in the risk of the business? It seems to me that being able to trade one's stake of ownership in exchange for insulation from the risk is a useful transaction in many cases, and requiring al...
by arbiteroftruth
Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:19 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: "Socialism" and "capitalism" are the same
Replies: 218
Views: 26868

Re: "Socialism" and "capitalism" are the same

I personally support market socialism in which the businesses are ran as co-ops. So it's not that private ownership is eliminated (people not in a particular business have no share of ownership of that business's assets), just that the users of a piece of property and the owners of that property ar...
by arbiteroftruth
Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:23 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: "Socialism" and "capitalism" are the same
Replies: 218
Views: 26868

Re: "Socialism" and "capitalism" are the same

It's not complicated; socialism is a system of economics without private property ownership in which the means of production is ran for the benefit of the people Given that you've also said that everything that defines capitalism is inherently negative, am I correct in understanding that in your vi...
by arbiteroftruth
Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:48 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Philosophy and science of gender and sex
Replies: 118
Views: 17836

Re: Philosophy and science of gender and sex

I think there's a certain amount of ambiguity in the question. If I woke up tomorrow in a woman's body, how much else goes along with that scenario? If the intention of the thought experiment is to mirror the situation of being trans, then presumably I can hand-wave away the turmoil it would immedia...
by arbiteroftruth
Wed May 30, 2018 8:33 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6485
Views: 1000265

Re: Police misbehavior thread

↶ On a side-note, it's this sort of overly-zealous 'determination to label as a victim someone who does not see themselves as a victim' and 'determination to be offended on behalf of someone who was not offended' that drives a wedge between the right and left - and has produced the backlash that, i...

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