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by JTankers
Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:17 pm UTC
Forum: Science
Topic: LHC Dangerous?
Replies: 372
Views: 59123

Re: LHC Dangerous?

Swiss Government sues to stop operation of the Large Hadron Collider http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/geekend/?p=1260
by JTankers
Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:48 am UTC
Forum: Science
Topic: LHC Dangerous?
Replies: 372
Views: 59123

Re: LHC Dangerous?

The vast majority of people, here at least, seem to be of the opinion that the LHC is in no way, shape, or form, capable of producing a mBH, and even if one were produced, it would not actually effect us for several thousand years (assuming by some magic it didn't evaporate). Strange, CERN's own sa...
by JTankers
Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:05 pm UTC
Forum: Science
Topic: LHC Dangerous?
Replies: 372
Views: 59123

Re: LHC Dangerous?

I'll just lock the thread entirely and be done with it. You clearly concede the scientific argument. I understand, you have an impossible situation. How can you prove something that is not correct? So, summed up. 1) The LHC is at least as dangerous as the previous 'super supercollider'. 2) We do no...
by JTankers
Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:38 pm UTC
Forum: Science
Topic: LHC Dangerous?
Replies: 372
Views: 59123

Re: LHC Dangerous?

User r1kx has been banned from LHCConcerns under the user names hildegarde and Gunther. In my opinion this is not a real person but only a dishonest attempt to discredit the safety movement. Very clever. Very dishonest.
by JTankers
Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:53 pm UTC
Forum: Science
Topic: LHC Dangerous?
Replies: 372
Views: 59123

Re: LHC Dangerous?

dic_penderyn, do you or anyone on your team expect to possibly win Nobel prizes based on LHC experiments? Is the new safety argument that black holes may not even be real? That is new science... http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2008/04/21/will_new_collider_create_black_holes_that_destroy_...
by JTankers
Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:06 pm UTC
Forum: Science
Topic: LHC Dangerous?
Replies: 372
Views: 59123

Re: LHC Dangerous?

This thread has gone rather silent... Is this argument really about WHO discovers new science first? Are scientists really so focussed on winning Nobel prizes that they will accept substantial risk to discover new science as quickly as humanly possible rather than spend a few more years to determine...
by JTankers
Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:51 pm UTC
Forum: Science
Topic: LHC Dangerous?
Replies: 372
Views: 59123

Re: LHC Dangerous?

The scientists and physicists with world recognized credibility who have gone public proclaiming non-trivial probabilities of non-trivial risk to the planet from operation of the Large Hadron Collider are the views you will need to refute for this project to go forward without an independent, advers...
by JTankers
Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:11 pm UTC
Forum: Science
Topic: LHC Dangerous?
Replies: 372
Views: 59123

Re: LHC Dangerous?

I'm sorry for diverting us away from convincing JTankers that he's not making sense, but I really quick wanted to ask something: I've been worrying about the LHC since around November, and my friends are sick of it. I don't know a lot about physics or anything, just that if something goes wrong, th...
by JTankers
Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:09 am UTC
Forum: Science
Topic: LHC Dangerous?
Replies: 372
Views: 59123

Re: LHC Dangerous?

not yy2b too arrogant when your mistake could holocaust the entire future of humanity
by JTankers
Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:58 am UTC
Forum: Science
Topic: LHC Dangerous?
Replies: 372
Views: 59123

Re: LHC Dangerous?

This letter was found at: Atom-Smasher Looking for God, May Find Black Hole http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/sciencetech/atom-smasher-looking-for-god-may-find-black-hole/1052 ( One of your fellow physicists appears to be suggesting perhaps a bit more caution before pushing the button... ) Open l...
by JTankers
Sun Apr 13, 2008 8:50 pm UTC
Forum: Science
Topic: LHC Dangerous?
Replies: 372
Views: 59123

Re: LHC Dangerous?

yy2bggggs wrote:
JTankers wrote:Do you know how much risk CERN is willing to take?

Who are you talking to?


I don't know your identity. Do you have influence at CERN?
by JTankers
Sun Apr 13, 2008 6:50 pm UTC
Forum: Science
Topic: LHC Dangerous?
Replies: 372
Views: 59123

Re: LHC Dangerous?

[Edit] This has nothing to do with risk analysis Do you know how much risk CERN is willing to take? If so how? Do I get to vote? You are not even being honest to the public about with the risks. You are making this decision for me and you are being reckless about it. If you are so sure this is safe,...
by JTankers
Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:51 am UTC
Forum: Science
Topic: LHC Dangerous?
Replies: 372
Views: 59123

Re: LHC Dangerous?

We don't want to know if it's possible we will blow up the world--because, quite frankly, we already know the answer. And the answer is, quite frankly, despite all the testing we will ever do--yes. It's possible. That doesn't help us. What we want to know is if we are going to destroy the world. An...
by JTankers
Sat Apr 12, 2008 5:16 pm UTC
Forum: Science
Topic: LHC Dangerous?
Replies: 372
Views: 59123

Re: LHC Dangerous?

zenten wrote:
JTankers wrote:Also, we still have awhile before the energy levels of the LHC go beyond was has already be done before in particle accelerators.


If awhile means a few years, then that would probably be a compromise we all could live with.
by JTankers
Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:35 pm UTC
Forum: Science
Topic: LHC Dangerous?
Replies: 372
Views: 59123

Re: LHC Dangerous?

Your credibility on physics is absent. There is every evidence that you do not know what you are talking about, and are making shit up on the fly. (I will not quote your more derisive comment, as I do not want to hold you to a comment you might wish to retract...) Thank you for your opinion. I had ...
by JTankers
Sat Apr 12, 2008 12:07 am UTC
Forum: Science
Topic: LHC Dangerous?
Replies: 372
Views: 59123

Re: LHC Dangerous?

If LHC can not be proved safe yet, then we must wait until it can be proved safe or not. If you can prove safety, good do it. If you can not yet, then do the right thing and accept that we do not know enough yet with enough certainty to responsibly conduct this experiment at this time. I have reason...
by JTankers
Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:10 am UTC
Forum: Science
Topic: LHC Dangerous?
Replies: 372
Views: 59123

Re: LHC Dangerous?

To be clear: then there would be huge numbers of black holes all over the place, and they would run into enough mass to slow down, and we'd see them eating stars left right and center. How often would cosmic rays of exact same mass, same speed, and perfect alignment collide precisely head-on to per...
by JTankers
Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:09 am UTC
Forum: Science
Topic: LHC Dangerous?
Replies: 372
Views: 59123

Re: LHC Dangerous?

Earths reference frame is at least approximately at rest in absolute 3d space. Thats retarded. The Earth is a constantly accelerating reference frame. [Edit] Evidence of the absolute or preferred reference frame of this field has been detected in re-interpretation of Michelson Morley experiments, i...
by JTankers
Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:08 am UTC
Forum: Science
Topic: LHC Dangerous?
Replies: 372
Views: 59123

Re: LHC Dangerous?

On LHCConcerns... Torgo wrote:WORST case scenario described here (no hawking radiation, entire energy goes into a black hole with lower than escape velocity [which, i have discovered, is essentially a nearly impossible circumstance] ) with a huge number of unrealisticly pessimistic assumptions on th...
by JTankers
Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:31 am UTC
Forum: Science
Topic: LHC Dangerous?
Replies: 372
Views: 59123

Re: LHC Dangerous?

[Edit] If micro black holes are almost never created in nature, then there is no way to determine what they will do with any certainty without creating them on Earth an observing them. At the time Hawking invented his theory, they knew of virtual particles but they thought they 'borrowed energy from...
by JTankers
Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:59 am UTC
Forum: Science
Topic: LHC Dangerous?
Replies: 372
Views: 59123

Re: LHC Dangerous?

[Edit...] My point is that creating a micro black hole may require very precise mechanics which might only be possible in a head-on collissions, where the energy is precisely focused into the center of the impact (same mass, velocity, precise alignment...), what you would see in a head-on particle c...
by JTankers
Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:31 am UTC
Forum: Science
Topic: LHC Dangerous?
Replies: 372
Views: 59123

Re: LHC Dangerous?

[Edit]

Which would more wise, conduct a full and independent adversarial safety study first, or just turn it on now and see what happens?
by JTankers
Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:35 pm UTC
Forum: Science
Topic: LHC Dangerous?
Replies: 372
Views: 59123

Re: LHC Dangerous?

CERNs web site states that we have not been destroyed by effects of cosmic rays and micro black holes will evaporate. However, cosmic rays travel too fast to be captured by Earths gravity, and Hawking Radiation is disputed and contradicts Einsteins highly successful relativity theory. Collider parti...

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