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by EdgePenguin
Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:42 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: The 1st moon landing...43 years ago today.
Replies: 45
Views: 8171

Re: The 1st moon landing...43 years ago today.

After checking, it looks like NASA was pretty clear about not making a SSTO craft (they thought the concept was/is ridiculous). Since the shuttle basic design include main engines firing from 0m/s to orbital velocity (plus solid rocket boosters that act as additional parts of stage 1), I always tho...
by EdgePenguin
Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:35 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: The 1st moon landing...43 years ago today.
Replies: 45
Views: 8171

Re: The 1st moon landing...43 years ago today.

I can't imagine there being political will in the US to do it quickly. Delta IV/Orion is I think simply a high altitude Earth orbit, not a shot around the Moon. It will test if Orion can handle re-entry from interplanetary missions. Falcon Heavy probably won't be called upon, as NASA seems to like ...
by EdgePenguin
Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:02 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: The 1st moon landing...43 years ago today.
Replies: 45
Views: 8171

Re: The 1st moon landing...43 years ago today.

True, but the Falcon Heavy isn't really that far off from being launched. I mean, They've launched a few Falcon 9's and those have costs around $50m or so I think, and a Falcon Heavy is basically a Falcon 9, with 2 additional Falcon 9's strapped to the sides of it (the first stages of them at least...
by EdgePenguin
Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:22 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: The 1st moon landing...43 years ago today.
Replies: 45
Views: 8171

Re: The 1st moon landing...43 years ago today.

We should explore space in order to utilise its resources, and become a multi-planet species. Such objectives are very long term, and I can't see us sticking with them. Much easier for politicians to promise cheap tax cuts, and capitalists to invest in companies that sell the latest and greatest in ...
by EdgePenguin
Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:53 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Brogramming
Replies: 134
Views: 28350

Re: Brogramming

To be honest, the 'brogramming' meme sounds like a not-so-clever attempt by feminists to mock a group they perceive as sexist (computer programmers). Considering that some feminist somewhere will find anything short of complete subjugation of the male half of the species to be too sexist, I've lear...
by EdgePenguin
Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:17 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Brogramming
Replies: 134
Views: 28350

Re: Brogramming

To be honest, the 'brogramming' meme sounds like a not-so-clever attempt by feminists to mock a group they perceive as sexist (computer programmers). Considering that some feminist somewhere will find anything short of complete subjugation of the male half of the species to be too sexist, I've lear...
by EdgePenguin
Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:47 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Brogramming
Replies: 134
Views: 28350

Re: Brogramming

You know how small boys stereotypically go and pull the hair of girls when they like them? Well, compsci undergraduates are not known for their emotional maturity, and their disrespect for your girlfriend may stem from sexual frustration. The rising stereotype in question, though, is of an entirely...
by EdgePenguin
Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:18 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Brogramming
Replies: 134
Views: 28350

Re: Brogramming

Right, how can I put this... You know how small boys stereotypically go and pull the hair of girls when they like them? Well, compsci undergraduates are not known for their emotional maturity, and their disrespect for your girlfriend may stem from sexual frustration. To be honest, the 'brogramming' ...
by EdgePenguin
Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:27 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: A small, specific question about libertarianism
Replies: 667
Views: 77283

Re: A small, specific question about libertarianism

"Other people's money" is an argument from somebody who doesn't have the faintest clue how economics or nations work. If you want a clue whose money it is, look at whose head is common to all the bank notes. Its not Charles Darwin, it isn't Adam Smith, its the sodding Queen. Money is an a...
by EdgePenguin
Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:47 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: A small, specific question about libertarianism
Replies: 667
Views: 77283

Re: A small, specific question about libertarianism

sorry guv :) The libertarian argument doesn't fall down on charity at all because you are failing to ask why its such a large subset in the first place and growing at a near exponential pace? The stark and obvious reason is that like with all things, if you subsidise an activity you get more of it....
by EdgePenguin
Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:48 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: A small, specific question about libertarianism
Replies: 667
Views: 77283

Re: A small, specific question about libertarianism

Rationing healthcare is something the tea party crazies cite as a downside to an NHS-like system - but the fact is of course that all healthcare systems ration - ones more based on markets simply do so on the basis of wealth. The majority of the world feels that a more deliberate rationing is bette...
by EdgePenguin
Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:25 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: A small, specific question about libertarianism
Replies: 667
Views: 77283

Re: A small, specific question about libertarianism

Bringing this back to the core point: Any market solution (I dislike the term 'free market' because countries like China demonstrate that it is perfectly possible to embrace markets and reject freedom) to healthcare always has the possibility of leaving someone too poor to pay for the treatment of a...
by EdgePenguin
Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:15 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Rebooting the Computing Manufacturing Infrastructure
Replies: 56
Views: 9986

Re: Rebooting the Computing Manufacturing Infrastructure

How does all 2012 tech get wiped out without the same happening to 2012 people? A bigger problem, that you haven't considered, is that in the aftermath of a real catastrophe, we will have much of our technology lying around but, presumably, none of the infrastructure to make any more of it. Nobody w...
by EdgePenguin
Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:34 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Sabre-rattling for space war
Replies: 35
Views: 5810

Re: Sabre-rattling for space war

The US is clearly expanionist. Ask the Iraqis.

As for China, since the founding of the PRC they have attacked both India and Vietnam, as well as helping North Korea try to annex South Korea, and having various border skirmishes with the USSR.
by EdgePenguin
Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:16 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Sabre-rattling for space war
Replies: 35
Views: 5810

Re: Sabre-rattling for space war

To do this, those asteroids need to be secured as property This statement is false. I am fairly certain that mining robots will work just as effectively regardless of whether the object they reside on is property or not. It is not false. They don't work as well if someone else is trying to mine the...
by EdgePenguin
Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:04 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Sabre-rattling for space war
Replies: 35
Views: 5810

Re: Sabre-rattling for space war

You might want to worry about things closer to home. The US can't control space and neither can China. I suppose that it would too obvious to point out that most of space is empty volume. We could certainly deny each other certain orbital positions, but too much debris in critical elevations could ...
by EdgePenguin
Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:47 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Sabre-rattling for space war
Replies: 35
Views: 5810

Re: Sabre-rattling for space war

I have serious doubts that any sabre rattling with china would reasonable lead to an actual space war, though. If the stated aim of the US is to have total control of space, and the apparent aim of China is to have freedom of action in space, these two goals are mutually exclusive. It isn't going t...
by EdgePenguin
Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:35 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Sabre-rattling for space war
Replies: 35
Views: 5810

Re: Sabre-rattling for space war

Sabre-rattling for space war leads to more space stuff. I support this. It's the only reason we ever got to another planetary body, after all. That is an attitude (that Phil Plait seems to share) that really scares me. People put their morals, their sensibility aside because they want to see some p...
by EdgePenguin
Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:25 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Sabre-rattling for space war
Replies: 35
Views: 5810

Sabre-rattling for space war

I've been disheartened to read hawkish talk about China's space program recently, and having done a bit of research this seems to have been going on a while. Here are just some examples of what I'm talking about: http://blogs.airspacemag.com/moon/2012/06/china-and-the-moon/ http://blogs.discovermaga...
by EdgePenguin
Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:02 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: A small, specific question about libertarianism
Replies: 667
Views: 77283

Re: A small, specific question about libertarianism

You were wrong. You created a strawman by using the wrong definition of the word 'owe'. OTOH, you were right when you said we've wasted more than enough of our lives on this banality. You communicated poorly, this is no ones problem but your own. When you use a rare, incorrect, and meaningless defi...
by EdgePenguin
Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:02 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: A small, specific question about libertarianism
Replies: 667
Views: 77283

Re: A small, specific question about libertarianism

Some people (mostly younger people) do, but when people get together and decide what to collectively pay for, they swiftly start crossing things off that list. That only works when people think they're paying the bills. A big part of US politics is both sides saying that they want things and that t...
by EdgePenguin
Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:35 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Evidence for aliens? (or: Evidentiality of prob/stats)
Replies: 573
Views: 104524

Re: Is there evidence of aliens?

If you believe in naturalistic origins of human life, and you look at the data coming out of the Kepler mission, then you might be inclined to belive that extra-terristrial life probably does exist somewhere. But there is no evidence of aliens. Just evidence of some really interesting planets that m...
by EdgePenguin
Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:30 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: A small, specific question about libertarianism
Replies: 667
Views: 77283

Re: A small, specific question about libertarianism

That bit right there where you disregard information, not on its merits but because of the source, thats a fallacy. Ad Hominem to be precise. It's obvious you have some longstanding bias against libertarians/anarchists, but that doesn't make what they say invalid. I often link to opinion pieces bec...
by EdgePenguin
Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:58 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: A small, specific question about libertarianism
Replies: 667
Views: 77283

Re: A small, specific question about libertarianism

Because adults can differentiate between want and need quite easily. Without getting into any of the rest of the argument I'd like to chime in and disagree with the statement above. People have a tendancy to think that their wants are needs, and are constantly expanding the list of things that they...
by EdgePenguin
Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:57 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: A small, specific question about libertarianism
Replies: 667
Views: 77283

Re: A small, specific question about libertarianism

@ edgepenguin - You can't ask for a source, then say "nah i don't like your source" without saying whats wrong with it. Fine. Mises.org is a libertarian noisehole that can't add anything to the argument I might as well throw out links to Socialist Worker. When I ask for evidence, I am not...
by EdgePenguin
Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:21 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: A small, specific question about libertarianism
Replies: 667
Views: 77283

Re: A small, specific question about libertarianism

And if I opt out of the government's protection? You wouldn't consider microsoft justified in providing everyone in the country with computers, and then kiling anyone who decided not to pay for one. You can't retroactively opt out of the fact that society (even if not the state you currently reside...
by EdgePenguin
Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:26 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: A small, specific question about libertarianism
Replies: 667
Views: 77283

Re: A small, specific question about libertarianism

Resisting the police when they come to take you from your land is self defense, because you are defending yourself and your property. That property, assuming you live and work upon it, investing into it your labour product, is rightfully yours - you have a more legitimate claim to it than anyone el...
by EdgePenguin
Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:55 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: A small, specific question about libertarianism
Replies: 667
Views: 77283

Re: A small, specific question about libertarianism

The guy who is refusing to pony up cash has his property protected by men with guns. The idea that taxation is violence, but that somehow the control of property is not, is absolutely ridiculous. So to you theres no distinction between theft and self defense? You have decided that one is self defen...
by EdgePenguin
Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:28 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: A small, specific question about libertarianism
Replies: 667
Views: 77283

Re: A small, specific question about libertarianism

I found the video clip that to me sums up the problem with libertarian views on healthcare. Pertinent bit starts at 1:40

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-j ... -a-success
by EdgePenguin
Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:17 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: A small, specific question about libertarianism
Replies: 667
Views: 77283

Re: A small, specific question about libertarianism

For example, when it comes to healthcare, I believe in things such as treating infectious disease in an attempt to stop its spread, or providing mental health services to prevent murders and other disruptive acts, but I do not believe that ending your discomfort or preventing you from being disable...
by EdgePenguin
Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:12 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: A small, specific question about libertarianism
Replies: 667
Views: 77283

Re: A small, specific question about libertarianism

For example, when it comes to healthcare, I believe in things such as treating infectious disease in an attempt to stop its spread, or providing mental health services to prevent murders and other disruptive acts, but I do not believe that ending your discomfort or preventing you from being disable...
by EdgePenguin
Sat Jun 16, 2012 2:57 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: A small, specific question about libertarianism
Replies: 667
Views: 77283

Re: A small, specific question about libertarianism

Bloody hell, seems the comment I left kicked of a whole mini thread. We all owe our lives to lots of things that predate us and were not of our making; sanitation, vaccination, agriculture, the evolutionary conditions that led to humanity and the astronomical conditions that kept Earth safe enough f...
by EdgePenguin
Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:23 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: A small, specific question about libertarianism
Replies: 667
Views: 77283

Re: A small, specific question about libertarianism

Not taking drugs in a society where they are legal is not equivalent to living in a society where drugs are banned, because other people may be affected by drugs. This is another flaw in libertarianism; the unspoken assertion that each man is an island, and a refusal to see how the vast majority of...
by EdgePenguin
Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:35 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Google and Confirmation Bias. Is it time to stop 'googling'?
Replies: 26
Views: 13107

Re: Google and Confirmation Bias. Is it time to stop 'googli

Confirmation bias is a pain in the arse, but I don't think you can get rid of it. You can only mitigate its impact by having a debate where the people who don't agree with you will point out that you are full of it :wink: When saturated with information (either real world sensory data, or the Intern...
by EdgePenguin
Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:31 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: A small, specific question about libertarianism
Replies: 667
Views: 77283

Re: A small, specific question about libertarianism

The problems that you identify here (if they are problems) aren't unique to libertarianism. Property might be an essentially contested concept, but so are ideas like social justice that the left holds dear (and considers a 'supreme moral imperative'). Nobody ever claims that social justice exists a...
by EdgePenguin
Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:50 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: A small, specific question about libertarianism
Replies: 667
Views: 77283

Re: A small, specific question about libertarianism

I mean, if you don't want to be part of the group who wants to have socialized benefits, I would venture that you ought to be free to leave (with your personal land and property of course) , and form your own collective consisting of the lands you own and those of anybody who wants to join you. I'm...
by EdgePenguin
Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:10 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: A small, specific question about libertarianism
Replies: 667
Views: 77283

Re: A small, specific question about libertarianism

The problem with Libertarianism, as I see it and as the OP defines it, is that there is no universal agreement on what liberty is - and that by claiming a unilateral right to its definition, Libertarians seem to define it in a way stacked in their favour. E.g. property rights are sacred, but there i...
by EdgePenguin
Tue May 29, 2012 7:41 am UTC
Forum: Science
Topic: Question about Balloon Universe model
Replies: 13
Views: 3431

Re: Question about Balloon Universe model

To quote Terry Pratchett (via Death), we are "Trying to understand the complexity of creation via a language that evolved in order to tell one another where the ripe fruit was" http://www.lspace.org/books/dawcn/dawcn-english.html The balloon analogy is just an anology. If anything, the rad...
by EdgePenguin
Fri May 25, 2012 7:21 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: What topics should be included in education?
Replies: 76
Views: 10818

Re: What topics should be included in education?

The is a cluster of Montessori schools in my area: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montessori_education Its a model where the child directs their own education through investigation. It sounds like what some of you are suggesting. My personal addition is Latin. I learned it at school, and found it very...
by EdgePenguin
Fri May 25, 2012 6:00 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: How Would The World React To a Post-Scarcity Society?
Replies: 123
Views: 27967

Re: How Would The World React To a Post-Scarcity Society?

You don't. Multiple times through out history we have created far more than is needed to support our population. The population booms. Part of the idea of post-scarcity is a population that values it strives to maintain it and does not over populate. Which comes back to my original point; you can't...

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