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by Tyndmyr
Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:28 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12837

Re: Libertarianism

Arbitrarily changing the contract later doesn't generally have a lot of validity. Actually important at present, because Moviepass is trying this exact thing, and it isn't flying. [...] So, doing this isn't usually enforceable in present day society. Nor should it be! I agree it shouldn't be, and I...
by Tyndmyr
Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:18 pm UTC
Forum: Fictional Science
Topic: Trying to construct an ideal future virtual society of dragons
Replies: 18
Views: 730

Re: Trying to construct an ideal future virtual society of dragons

Alright, as I understand it, the "dragons" thing is a hypothetical bit of silliness in the proposal? There seems to be some implicit assumptions here with which I am unfamiliar, but then, I guess I'm not up on this particular branch of philosophy or what have you. Let me know if I'm missin...
by Tyndmyr
Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:48 pm UTC
Forum: Science
Topic: Consequences of climate change
Replies: 50
Views: 9907

Re: Consequences of climate change

Those are all fairly minor, yeah. Interesting within their niche, but not disaster level. The land thing can actually mitigate rising sea levels in an extremely minor way. Slight silver lining, I guess, but not enough to be a big deal. If you're losing land based glaciers, that's way worse than the ...
by Tyndmyr
Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:22 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12837

Re: Libertarianism

A big part is, I think, enforcing existing rules. For instance, requiring people to work unpaid overtime, and not log their hours, is exploitive. Indeed it is. But wouldn't a libertarian say "well, that's what the contract says"? And what about the part here where it says "we can cha...
by Tyndmyr
Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:06 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Darker Side of the News
Replies: 3987
Views: 511467

Re: The Darker Side of the News

I'm placing rather more hope in the value of deterrence. So far, that's proven to be fairly reliable. Pre Trump, yes. But our Supreme Leader is poking crocodiles with sticks, both in our own country and around the world. And the premise is that the US wipes North Korea out with our nuclear weapons,...
by Tyndmyr
Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:03 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12837

Re: Libertarianism

No, it's not obvious. If the government doesn't pay for it, you either don't get it at all, or you pay for it yourself. In neither case does that mean we are wealthier. I think the theory is that the market is highly efficient, and that if the market isn't providing some service, it's because that ...
by Tyndmyr
Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:47 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12837

Re: Libertarianism

Your claim was that they reduce choice and overall wealth. Reduce wealth, yes. Reduce choice is a maybe. Safety nets are costly, so the wealth thing is pretty obvious, though the US's system is particularly expensive. Choice will vary depending on implementation. As our system is currently implemen...
by Tyndmyr
Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:31 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12837

Re: Libertarianism

Alright, dude, the requested topic was health care, and if you consider neither taxation-free job-tied insurance nor the ACA to be a safety net, what would you consider to qualify? Medicare? Medicaid? VA-provided health care services to veterans? Medicare: Large enough to influence health care costs...
by Tyndmyr
Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:07 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12837

Re: Libertarianism

You get a bit of a "No True Scotsman" if you define safety nets as only ones that are actually good.

If you're not considering plans like the ACA to be safety nets, what is?
by Tyndmyr
Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:05 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Darker Side of the News
Replies: 3987
Views: 511467

Re: The Darker Side of the News

In the interests of public transparency, Montgomery County, MD released a document listing the various bribes to Amazon in return for a corporate HQ.

It's ten pages, but every line is redacted.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/05/technology/amazon-headquarters-hq2.html
by Tyndmyr
Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:57 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12837

Re: Libertarianism

The deduction for taxation purposes outstrips the ACA in cost. This is unsurprising, as many more people have healthcare through work than through an exchange. If cost minimization or minimal intervention is the issue, that rationale has long since ceased to be viable. The exchanges of ACA added som...
by Tyndmyr
Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:35 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12837

Re: Libertarianism

Employer-based healthcare isn't a social safety net. It is. It is definitely not a universal safety net, but it does distribute risk to some degree, and it is subsidized by the state via taxes. If you'd prefer other ways that the US safety nets reduce choice, our high reliance on insurance can mean...
by Tyndmyr
Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:02 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12837

Re: Libertarianism

Citation needed. The reason we have social safety nets is because wealth inequality reduces overall wealth and reduces practical choices. For US healthcare/employment ties limiting choice: "CBS/New York Times poll, 30 percent of respondents answered "Yes" to the question, "Have ...
by Tyndmyr
Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:49 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12837

Re: Libertarianism

It's a matter of alternatives...Over time, some people will be so loaded with debt that they can't afford to eat, even if they work; these people will have no choice but to sell themselves into slavery. This is wildly different from it being a freedom people want. If literally nobody wants it, we d...
by Tyndmyr
Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:48 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12837

Re: Libertarianism

I have severe doubts that human trafficking has anything like a libertarian standard of consent. It seems to be an industry that exists on coercion, it's not a career path people willingly choose.
by Tyndmyr
Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:25 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6178
Views: 466152

Re: Trump presidency

I would hazard a guess that the child inherits a credit and has to pay tax on that. If a parent lends out $1m to a neighbor, and the parent dies, the neighbor now owes the child $1m and the child would have to pay inheritance, but whether it's paid on the fair value of the whole loan or only as the...
by Tyndmyr
Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:22 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12837

Re: Libertarianism

In the sense of individualized consent, no, it wouldn't apply. Consent in a libertarian world means individual consent, not merely the consent of government. Even in a libertarian government, if each individual person agrees to something, that something is not forced on them, and does not violate NA...
by Tyndmyr
Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:15 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Darker Side of the News
Replies: 3987
Views: 511467

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Well, to clear it up, it was an aside explaining why it is unlikely to threaten the US/SK relationship. Nobody seems to have disagreed with the point, merely the explanation. The clarification linking the source, in which I summarized "It appears they believed it was a worthwhile attempt" ...
by Tyndmyr
Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:06 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Darker Side of the News
Replies: 3987
Views: 511467

Re: The Darker Side of the News

My complaint wasn't that Seoul itself wasn't relocated, but that it was built up and that the capitol itself wan't relocated. If it turns out that Washington DC is actually on top of a huge volcano that'll blow sometime in the next 200 years, I would understand not evacuating the entire city immedi...
by Tyndmyr
Mon Aug 06, 2018 4:54 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Darker Side of the News
Replies: 3987
Views: 511467

Re: The Darker Side of the News

My read on the situation is that the president considers it an acceptable tradeoff for peace and isn't willing to rock the boat over it as a result. Therefore, the appearances are not critical. What's your read on it? It's nice how you keep walking back on your statements. First it was "They e...
by Tyndmyr
Mon Aug 06, 2018 3:44 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Darker Side of the News
Replies: 3987
Views: 511467

Re: The Darker Side of the News

My read on the situation is that the president considers it an acceptable tradeoff for peace and isn't willing to rock the boat over it as a result. Therefore, the appearances are not critical.

What's your read on it?
by Tyndmyr
Mon Aug 06, 2018 3:29 pm UTC
Forum: Movies and TV Shows
Topic: Black Panther
Replies: 206
Views: 20521

Re: Black Panther

Probably makes sense as long as Infinity Wars was playing, too. There's a natural connection between the films, so someone may wish to watch BP before IW.

Good on 'em for the achievement. It deserves it more than the other two films IMO.
by Tyndmyr
Mon Aug 06, 2018 3:26 pm UTC
Forum: Fictional Science
Topic: Why do starship captains say "you've got x/4 hours" when the engineers ask for x?
Replies: 9
Views: 418

Re: Why do starship captains say "you've got x/4 hours" when the engineers ask for x?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A4VoPBt67M (at about 0:56) Asks for 10 hours. Gets 2. Why do captains do this? Is it actually a bad idea? This doesn't happen in real life does it? Is there an xkcd comic about this yet explaining why this is a bad idea? It's a hollywoodism. Supposedly builds tensio...
by Tyndmyr
Mon Aug 06, 2018 3:14 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Darker Side of the News
Replies: 3987
Views: 511467

Re: The Darker Side of the News

"Caught off-guard", no mention in Moon Jae-in's statements, and the SK defense ministry saying they have no fucking clue what Trump says doesn't sound like they pushed for it. On board merely means that they appear to support it, and have been focused on the possibility for peace. Don't s...
by Tyndmyr
Mon Aug 06, 2018 3:06 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Darker Side of the News
Replies: 3987
Views: 511467

Re: The Darker Side of the News

If the US gets nuked and legitimately goes on the warpath vs North korea, I don't think anyone else is going to put their survival on the line to get in the way of that. You're assuming all countries are sane and in agreement with us. You think no nation that has invested in nukes would be tempted ...
by Tyndmyr
Mon Aug 06, 2018 3:01 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12837

Re: Libertarianism

What do libertarians think of public libraries? IMO probably the greatest government institution there is. Jose That's a good one, and there's a bit of tension between goals there. Libertarians largely like libraries, but dislike public institutions, so finding some way to have the former without t...
by Tyndmyr
Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:47 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Darker Side of the News
Replies: 3987
Views: 511467

Re: The Darker Side of the News

South Korea was instrumental in pushing for the deal, and Moon made a positive statement praising the two leaders for the deal*. It appears they believed it was a worthwhile attempt. Trump's particular statements with regards to South Korea have been needlessly caustic. If a rift ends up appearing b...
by Tyndmyr
Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:41 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6178
Views: 466152

Re: Trump presidency

The thing is the Chinese play dirty, or at least, they know they can't match tariffs. But guess what they have? A billion people who will blindly buy whatever is most convenient as dictated by party leadership. You out tariff them? All of a sudden, all your factories that sell to Chinese local mark...
by Tyndmyr
Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:36 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Darker Side of the News
Replies: 3987
Views: 511467

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Eh, the wargames are mostly just a show of solidarity at this point. Agree to disagree. Wargames have a huge function in making sure forces are coordinated and well-trained. Eh. Wargames in general are sometimes useful for training and testing, but are often more dog and pony show than anything els...
by Tyndmyr
Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:01 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6178
Views: 466152

Re: Trump presidency

This again? Trump's responsible for his immigration failures, Obama's responsible for his. Calling out both is reasonable. Anyways, in Trump news, looks like China's responded to Trump's latest threats of tariffs with a further escalation: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/08/03/china-announ...
by Tyndmyr
Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:12 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6178
Views: 466152

Re: Trump presidency

Standard libertarian problem. The leftists believe you're part of the far right, whereas the right wing sorts think you're dangerously lefty, and will probably destroy society.

One would think that all of those issues CU mentions would be obvious, but sadly, even in the US...
by Tyndmyr
Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:29 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6178
Views: 466152

Re: Trump presidency

There's always been a certain segment of the population who is extremely eager to believe in every conspiracy theory that comes along. I got an uncle that is dead certain the moon landings are faked. But aliens are real. Frigging loves Trump, of course. I suppose I could call and ask him if he heard...
by Tyndmyr
Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:28 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6178
Views: 466152

Re: Trump presidency

*reads* Uh, odd. Had not previously heard of it, but seems far out there. Partisanship is pretty strong. It might be easy for something crazy to go viral within a given community who has leanings anyways, but it seems less likely to maintain that traction once it gets out of that fertile soil. I'm n...
by Tyndmyr
Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:13 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6178
Views: 466152

Re: Trump presidency

These are all things that were either within Obama's power to stop without needing any approval from congress, or things that Obama actually did exclusively under his own authority as President. I concur that this definitely falls on the Democrats. Sure, they're not terribly responsible for what th...
by Tyndmyr
Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:43 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12837

Re: Libertarianism

Refusing to give back the kid would be illegal even if no money were involved. Kidnapping is still kidnapping even if no ransom demand has been made.
by Tyndmyr
Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:29 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12837

Re: Libertarianism

Short and exaggerated answer because I don't feel like it otherwise: for the same reason that keeping true but embarrassing information about someone secret is fine, but charging someone for that "service" isn't (we call it "blackmail"). You're extorting money out of someone in ...
by Tyndmyr
Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:38 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12837

Re: Libertarianism

You might get a few libertarians that believe market forced are enough to handle fraud, but I think most accept regulation as necessary for that. What else do you think regulation is necessary for to provide an efficient market, elasto? Off the top of my head, I'd say that whenever rational agents ...
by Tyndmyr
Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:49 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12837

Re: Libertarianism

The answer, of course, is that wealth does correlate with education, ambition, drive, hard work etc., at least in part. Eliminate or otherwise drive away the wealthy and you also cull a disproportionate percentage of the educated, ambitious, driven and hard-working etc. Hence it provides a short-te...
by Tyndmyr
Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:15 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12837

Re: Libertarianism

We're not talking about people who provide access to wealth, we're talking about people who are the gatekeepers to wealth. They don't magically transport people to the faraway land of wealth where nobody would otherwise be able to reach. They stand between the wealth and everyone else. Getting rid ...
by Tyndmyr
Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:28 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6178
Views: 466152

Re: Trump presidency

But the funny thing is that you do need an ID to be legally employed in the US, to fill out the I-9 forms. That would've been a much more solid argument. Question; do you need ID to apply for welfare? You need ID, but it doesn't necessarily need to be photo ID. At least for SNAP, etc. Other program...

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