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by Vetala
Sat Oct 12, 2013 5:30 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Galilean:x' with respect to S'? AND SPECIAL BONUS x' = x-d?
Replies: 908
Views: 172610

Re: Galilean:x' with respect to S'? AND SPECIAL BONUS x' = x

observers that are co-moving see light moving in a vacuum at different rates We are only concerned with receipt at a sensor at one instant in time..so sensor movement does not enter into any calculations to determine event sequencing. Well, regardless of what Relativity says, scientific observation...
by Vetala
Wed Oct 09, 2013 1:55 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Galilean:x' with respect to S'? AND SPECIAL BONUS x' = x-d?
Replies: 908
Views: 172610

Re: Galilean:x' with respect to S'? AND SPECIAL BONUS x' = x

I find Steve's latest flounce (don't worry, he'll be back) amusing, if for nothing more than the quote that steve has on his VERY FIRST POST IN THIS THREAD: Hopefully, GENERAL is the correct section to post my two questions re The Galilean equation x' = x -vt . I will confine any possible future xk...
by Vetala
Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:39 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Galilean:x' with respect to S'? AND SPECIAL BONUS x' = x-d?
Replies: 908
Views: 172610

Re: Galilean:x' with respect to S'? AND SPECIAL BONUS x' = x

The Galilean EQUATION x' = x-vt is unwittingly comparing abscissa distances Go find some place, any place, where we said the Galilean was about comparing distances. I dare ya. I double dare ya. I double dog dare ya. You won't, because we didn't. We have always said that the Galilean is about compar...
by Vetala
Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:53 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Galilean:x' with respect to S'? AND SPECIAL BONUS x' = x-d?
Replies: 908
Views: 172610

Re: Galilean:x' with respect to S'? AND SPECIAL BONUS x' = x

Glad you're feeling better Steve - but of course take it easy, and don't overdo it yet. That being said... I wanted to let some of this slide.. but I'm apparently not that generous. A couple of these points *really* needed to be addressed to set the record straight. I posted a bunch of urls supporti...
by Vetala
Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:34 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Galilean:x' with respect to S'? AND SPECIAL BONUS x' = x-d?
Replies: 908
Views: 172610

Re: Galilean:x' with respect to S'? AND SPECIAL BONUS x' = x

Had some troubles. Triple bypass and valve replacement then some complications and a pace maker. Been in hospital for almost a month. Will perhaps write later when better. Some troubles? There's an understatement - wow. That's a lot to go through. Hope things are going smoother now and you're feeli...
by Vetala
Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:15 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Galilean:x' with respect to S'? AND SPECIAL BONUS x' = x-d?
Replies: 908
Views: 172610

Re: Galilean:x' with respect to S'? AND SPECIAL BONUS x' = x

I would really like to have a common definition for x that we all agree upon. [...snip...] So, I will cease posting until we all agree upon what x means, including any new depictions. I too, am quite tired of having this discussion go round in circles. You and I (and probably every other person who...
by Vetala
Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:56 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Galilean:x' with respect to S'? AND SPECIAL BONUS x' = x-d?
Replies: 908
Views: 172610

Re: Galilean:x' with respect to S'? AND SPECIAL BONUS x' = x

Two pointless images Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. And once more for good measure.... nope. You're still (quite deliberately) using the terms differently from the rest of reality. Go back and watch Pfhorrest's animation again. I'd suggest at least 5 more times. It's not even worth trying to explain...
by Vetala
Fri Jul 26, 2013 11:38 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Galilean:x' with respect to S'? AND SPECIAL BONUS x' = x-d?
Replies: 908
Views: 172610

Re: Galilean:x' with respect to S'? AND SPECIAL BONUS x' = x

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Abscissa.html The x- (horizontal) coordinate of a point in a two dimensional coordinate system. Physicists and astronomers sometimes use the term to refer to the axis itself instead of the distance along it. That is big part of the problem , your x sometimes means the x...
by Vetala
Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:27 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Galilean:x' with respect to S'? AND SPECIAL BONUS x' = x-d?
Replies: 908
Views: 172610

Re: Galilean:x' with respect to S'? AND SPECIAL BONUS x' = x

Yes, you are quite correct. Schrollini had just stated that until I do his exercises he is done. I should not have directed my question at him, my error. No, your error was not directing the question to Schrollini. Your error was not doing the exercises. Most of your questions are effectively nonse...
by Vetala
Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:43 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Galilean:x' with respect to S'? AND SPECIAL BONUS x' = x-d?
Replies: 908
Views: 172610

Re: Galilean:x' with respect to S'?

So, the proof presented as ..."the short form" Given x = x', therefore x' ≠ x-d. Allowing x' = x - d, spawns equations like 2 = -1...x' = x-d is not about points nor about a manifold. Allow me to apply your *exact* logic to a completely different equation. Even you'd think I look like a c...
by Vetala
Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:50 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Galilean:x' with respect to S'? AND SPECIAL BONUS x' = x-d?
Replies: 908
Views: 172610

Re: Galilean:x' with respect to S'?

Oh, like I said. Your third statement is completely true. (It is, however, still a coordinate and maintains all the properties of coordinates.) There's no need to debate its veracity. My problem is that I think that the way you've phrased it hints at your eventual proof. Based on your previous post...
by Vetala
Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:38 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Galilean:x' with respect to S'? AND SPECIAL BONUS x' = x-d?
Replies: 908
Views: 172610

Re: Galilean:x' with respect to S'?

This is what Schrollini actually said before steve ran it through the transmogrifier: You're attributing entirely too much structure to the manifold. The manifold has points, nothing else. No mapping, no coordinates, no coordinate system. All of these things exist on top of the manifold, but they a...
by Vetala
Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:39 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Relativity or something [Split from "Pressures"]
Replies: 5149
Views: 501473

Re: Relativity (?) Or Some Crap. [Split from "Pressures"]

thread overview - What if John Wayne was only 5 feet tall, would his movie stardom likely have been less? No steve, you are wrong, John Wayne was taller than that, it is a fact. Therefore, we will not deal with your "what if", as it is impossible and just wrong. What if we made a universa...
by Vetala
Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:13 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Relativity or something [Split from "Pressures"]
Replies: 5149
Views: 501473

Re: Relativity (?) Or Some Crap. [Split from "Pressures"]

Given enough time, no event can remain spacelike forever. No, because a single event cannot be "spacelike". You're still absolutely clueless about what "spacelike" means, hence I strongly recommend you to reread the definition. Someone gave it to you. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...
by Vetala
Fri Nov 23, 2012 3:29 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Relativity or something [Split from "Pressures"]
Replies: 5149
Views: 501473

Re: Relativity (?) Or Some Crap. [Split from "Pressures"]

added - I am out to mathematically prove that 15 There is a determinable sequencing of historical outgoing signals. Which depends entirely on context. If you mean "there is a determinable sequencing of historical outgoing signals (in a hypothetical universe with universally constant passage of...
by Vetala
Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:23 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Relativity or something [Split from "Pressures"]
Replies: 5149
Views: 501473

Re: Relativity (?) Or Some Crap. [Split from "Pressures"]

I'm sorry, I'm confused by the terminology; how can locations not be at rest? Good question, thank you. The reason that I do re-word stuff, is precisely because i am listening. Also, nice and short and right to the point. 14 If you consider one reference frame to be at rest, then at that instant , ...
by Vetala
Thu Nov 22, 2012 3:46 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Relativity or something [Split from "Pressures"]
Replies: 5149
Views: 501473

Re: Relativity (?) Or Some Crap. [Split from "Pressures"]

I'm sorry, I'm confused by the terminology; how can locations not be at rest? Good question, thank you. The reason that I do re-word stuff, is precisely because i am listening. Also, nice and short and right to the point. 14 If you consider one reference frame to be at rest, then at that instant , ...
by Vetala
Thu Nov 22, 2012 3:31 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Relativity or something [Split from "Pressures"]
Replies: 5149
Views: 501473

Re: Relativity (?) Or Some Crap. [Split from "Pressures"]

For you, two observers can disagree and thus, neither reference frame is a preferred reference frame. No, this was explained before, but I'll assume you "missed" it. It is NOT that two observers can disagree that means there is no preferred reference frame. It is that the laws of physics ...
by Vetala
Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:19 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Relativity or something [Split from "Pressures"]
Replies: 5149
Views: 501473

Re: Relativity (?) Or Some Crap. [Split from "Pressures"]

NO. Actually adds more confusion. Each transmission site only sends off one transmission. ... Good feedback, thank you. Does that sound massively condescending or is that only me? Not exactly. The "good feedback" isn't referring at all to the line you quoted, but rather to the two lines y...
by Vetala
Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:41 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Relativity or something [Split from "Pressures"]
Replies: 5149
Views: 501473

Re: Relativity (?) Or Some Crap. [Split from "Pressures"]

I'm sure everyone posting sees it coming, but I'm going to call it out just in case. As I said in my first post on this topic - "it's a trap!" The setup has two statements that are clearly correct, and one statement that comes loaded with an assumption, that while appearing correct is actu...
by Vetala
Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:54 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Relativity or something [Split from "Pressures"]
Replies: 5149
Views: 501473

Re: Relativity (?) Or Some Crap. [Split from "Pressures"]

HUH? When i click it does NOT go to another page. It does show a little pop up on the bottom left. Is there away to input what I want, and not just random or the default? It does, it just looks like the same page - the address of the new page has the information necessary for the program to initial...
by Vetala
Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:31 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Relativity or something [Split from "Pressures"]
Replies: 5149
Views: 501473

Re: Relativity (?) Or Some Crap. [Split from "Pressures"]

When v = 0, both sets of three sensors will agree upon the transmission times and transmission spots in space for both events. Honestly? That's not even worth discussing, because if the relative velocity of the two sets of sensors to each other is 0 then they are in the same frame of reference, and...
by Vetala
Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:48 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Relativity or something [Split from "Pressures"]
Replies: 5149
Views: 501473

Re: Relativity (?) Or Some Crap. [Split from "Pressures"]

Actually, every possible choice of physical location (0,0,0) works to represent a universal frame. Wrong. A frame is defined by it's orientation in spacetime, that is its rotation and velocity relative to another. Mis-worded...it seems that "frame" all by itself has implied physical conno...
by Vetala
Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:24 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Relativity or something [Split from "Pressures"]
Replies: 5149
Views: 501473

Re: Relativity (?) Or Some Crap. [Split from "Pressures"]

A. The red circles work. [ to determine the EXACT transmission site-and-time ] B. There is ONLY ONE UNIQUELY-OCCURRING transmission order * . Since A is true, then B MUST also be true. This is basic common sense logic. This reality will not go away. this is not only not true, B does not follow from...
by Vetala
Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:35 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Relativity or something [Split from "Pressures"]
Replies: 5149
Views: 501473

Re: Relativity (?) Or Some Crap. [Split from "Pressures"]

Relativity HAS NO SUCH THING as 4 sensors for one observer! Show me a URL where it does, someplace else other than on this thread for the last 100 years. You're partly right in so far as relativity has never used anything so unbelievably limited as your so-called four sensors. Relevant link (which ...
by Vetala
Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:39 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Relativity or something [Split from "Pressures"]
Replies: 5149
Views: 501473

Re: Relativity (?) Or Some Crap. [Split from "Pressures"]

<Ninja'd multiple times, but I'll post anyway> First off - Pfhorrest, , I love that analogy - I've been trying for months to think of *anything* in a typical person's perspective that can be equivalent to the concept of "before" in time and relativity, and "in front of" is exactl...
by Vetala
Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:24 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Relativity or something [Split from "Pressures"]
Replies: 5149
Views: 501473

Re: Relativity (?) Or Some Crap. [Split from "Pressures"]

Steve, I missed the transition from relativity to four sensor math (this thread has created a new branch of mathematics!), You didn't miss much. The transition was basically when everybody pointed out that the four-sensor thing only works relative to one frame of reference and nobody was getting co...
by Vetala
Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:35 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Relativity or something [Split from "Pressures"]
Replies: 5149
Views: 501473

Re: Relativity (?) Or Some Crap. [Split from "Pressures"]

Hmmm, I wonder, if this might help break this current stalemate. Not likely. Because there is no stalemate. There is only you refusing to actually learn about the topic you're trying to argue, and insisting on more and more numbers and cases until you happen across a special case where relativity a...
by Vetala
Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:32 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Relativity or something [Split from "Pressures"]
Replies: 5149
Views: 501473

Re: Relativity (?) Or Some Crap. [Split from "Pressures"]

Really, at this point i can only come to the con clusion that steve is deliberately trolling us. He repeatedly and consistently redefines already agreed upon terminology (notice how many posts ago he already had the observer/sensor thing accepted), insisting on this two sensor nonsense, acting as i...
by Vetala
Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:12 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Relativity or something [Split from "Pressures"]
Replies: 5149
Views: 501473

Re: Relativity (?) Or Some Crap. [Split from "Pressures"]

What's wrong with Observer? Can we agree upon this terminology? A detector may contain multiple observers. http://rschroll.github.com/relativity/detectors-h.html we have a red and a blue detector, each detector has three observers. http://rschroll.github.com/relativity/time-differential.html we hav...
by Vetala
Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:00 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Relativity or something [Split from "Pressures"]
Replies: 5149
Views: 501473

Re: 1067: "Pressures"

In real life, THE unique transmission sequence wrt the universe not only did take place, indeed, that unique chronological TRANSMISSION sequence is ABSOLUTELY 100 percent determinable. Using one observer to mean 3 observers/3 sensors is complete bullshit. This is about how many sensors get the comm...
by Vetala
Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:08 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Relativity or something [Split from "Pressures"]
Replies: 5149
Views: 501473

Re: Relativity (?) Or Some Crap. [Split from "Pressures"]

3. Multilateration can be perfectly accurate in a computer program such as this, Not with just two sensors. Two sensors are just not enough to determine THE transmission site-and-time. but it's not perfectly accurate IRL. Regardless, in a computer setting, two sensors are just not enough to determi...
by Vetala
Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:04 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Relativity or something [Split from "Pressures"]
Replies: 5149
Views: 501473

Re: Relativity (?) Or Some Crap. [Split from "Pressures"]

Some pretty suave stuff. Where should I deliver the chocolate cake to? Aww.. how did you know I like chocolate :mrgreen: You see, in Steve's little twisted world of make-believe, applets prove stuff . We tried to explain this to him like, 70 pages ago. We told him that an applet would only behave l...
by Vetala
Thu Nov 08, 2012 2:51 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Relativity or something [Split from "Pressures"]
Replies: 5149
Views: 501473

Re: Relativity (?) Or Some Crap. [Split from "Pressures"]

(just beaten by KrytenKoro, but I'll post anyway with a couple extra points) Schrollini quotes KrytenKoro... Looking at just your claim in the last post, that all you want to do is prove how many sensors are needed in one reference frame to determine the coordinates of an event relative to the origi...
by Vetala
Thu Nov 08, 2012 2:40 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Is a contract pledging to vote a certain way legal?
Replies: 29
Views: 5523

Re: Is a contract pledging to vote a certain way legal?

what's the gain from pledging to vote one way or the other? How is it better than simply voting that way in the first place? I think the idea is that if you wanted to vote for a 3rd party candidate, but didn't think they would win, then you might instead vote against the major candidate you don't w...
by Vetala
Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:37 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Relativity or something [Split from "Pressures"]
Replies: 5149
Views: 501473

Re: Relativity (?) Or Some Crap. [Split from "Pressures"]

I picked a Cartesian system which is fixed wrt to itself. That is, one can rotate it, or move it, but it stays the same wrt its relationship between (0,0,0,t) and every (x,y,z,t). First, you still haven't explain why you insist on using a Cartesian system for coordinates in a universe that apparent...
by Vetala
Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:54 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Relativity or something [Split from "Pressures"]
Replies: 5149
Views: 501473

Re: 1067: "Pressures"

Chrome usually works but has some graphics cards blacklisted and I haven't found any way to get them off the blacklist even when they run on other browsers. At one time I think there was an option in chrome://flags to override the blacklist (for some cards at least). I remember using it once when m...
by Vetala
Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:23 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Relativity or something [Split from "Pressures"]
Replies: 5149
Views: 501473

Re: 1067: "Pressures"

If we assume that distances and times work right, we cannot get the answer that lightspeed is constant for everybody. To make lightspeed a constant, we have to fudge the times and the distances and the masses and the energies, and we have to decide that when things are at different places and diffe...
by Vetala
Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:23 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Relativity or something [Split from "Pressures"]
Replies: 5149
Views: 501473

Re: 1067: "Pressures"

This may already have been tried, but after nearly 100 pages of this, I can barely remember what I've said, let alone what other people have said - but Steve... look.. you work with maps right? (I'll assume you do, there's evidence to support the claim at least). You know you can't accurately map th...
by Vetala
Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:03 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Relativity or something [Split from "Pressures"]
Replies: 5149
Views: 501473

Re: 1067: "Pressures"

Doesn't your answer depend on what is meant by "height"? The person's length (distance along the longest dimension) hasn't changed, but his height ( vertical distance between the part that is closest to the center of the earth, and the part that is farthest from the center of the earth) c...

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