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by ddxxdd
Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:22 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
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Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

Ok, leaving aside what promises to be a tedious and enraging semantic argument; this is exactly why "no means no" is so important. The end state of the "no means no" campaign is that there should be no rape without mens rea (or unwanted sex if you douche-baggedly prefer). Okay, ...
by ddxxdd
Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:10 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
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Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

I never said worse. I said it was comparable. My apologies, I took "I highly doubt that male rape inflicts the same amount of trauma and emotional pain as having a false accusation" to mean that the former inflicts less "trauma and emotional pain" than the latter. How was I supp...
by ddxxdd
Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:36 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
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Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

So being falsely accused of rape is worse than being raped? I never said worse. I said it was comparable. Having your name plastered all over the place for an unsubstantiated accusation is pretty damn impactful. Look at what happened to the Duke Lacrosse guys; everything that they spent their entir...
by ddxxdd
Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:22 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
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Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

yurell wrote:I think you'll find that the 'male equivalent of being raped' is 'being raped'.
I highly doubt that male rape inflicts the same amount of trauma and emotional pain as having a false accusation that can destroy your life.
by ddxxdd
Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:05 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
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Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

Alright, I may as well deal with this Gish Goblet now: For Farrell, being falsely accused of rape is the male equivalent of being raped Absolutely true "My girlfriend was raped several years ago. I was falsely accused of rape less than a year ago. I contacted her (I had known her before her...
by ddxxdd
Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:05 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
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Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

Can you bring up an example of when he explicitly stated that men should ignore a clearly stated "no"? Nope. But then I don't have to, because I never claimed he did. But he does argue that a verbal no shouldn't always be taken as a no, i.e. he calls 'no means no' into question. I don't k...
by ddxxdd
Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:55 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
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Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

Also you defend Warren Farrell, the rape apologist, who does question "no means no". Which is a creepy rape-apologist thing to do but then Farrell is a creepy rape apologist! Warren Farrell stated that there are often communication problems when it comes to sexual intercourse. Can you bri...
by ddxxdd
Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:56 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
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Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

Consent is just about taking ten seconds before you start to get an affirmative and establish a safe word. And if someone doesn't take those 10 seconds before intercourse, and their partner does not stop them, them should they spend 5 years in prison? While all of this amounts to decent sexual prac...
by ddxxdd
Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:47 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
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Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

By your logic, it's better to have sex with someone so as to not risk disappointing them, even if they say no and are struggling hard. Maybe it's just a game their playing! Can't be sure, so have sex with them anyway. Nope. Nonverbal cues can be pretty damn explicit. I assume that you can tell when...
by ddxxdd
Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:15 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
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Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

it shouldn't be the responsibility of the initiator to obtain consent- it should be the responsibility of the "recipient" to demonstrate a lack of consent. What about someone in a coma? If it is the responsibility of the recipient to show lack of consent, rather than the initiator to show...
by ddxxdd
Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:53 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
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Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

So if I beat up my friend, it's his fault for not saying that he didn't want to box? You're extremely unlikely to go to jail for assault unless your friend sustained serious injuries. Boys will be boys, as they say. And hey, when he says "stop hitting me!" I can say "but I thought th...
by ddxxdd
Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:35 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
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Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

So here's what I think, and also what I think both of you think: Verbal communication matters a whole lot, for the reasons listed above. Non-verbal communication also matters a whole lot. If your partner isn't enthusiastic, regardless of stated consent you should be very worried until you're comple...
by ddxxdd
Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:40 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
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Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

I'm seeing two contradictory claims here. That isn't how arguments work. You don't invalidate bad arguments by osmosis; you invalidate bad arguments by pointing out how they're bad arguments . Invalidating feminism won't somehow validate Warren Farrell--the only thing that can validate Warren Farrel...
by ddxxdd
Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:01 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
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Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

Pez Dispenser, did you miss the part where he defined date rape as "having sex, then regretting it in the morning"? If you want to throw people in jail for committing that heinous crime, then good luck with your social movement. Just don't call me or anyone else a hateful rape apologist wh...
by ddxxdd
Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:05 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: General Economics Stuff
Replies: 118
Views: 44080

Re: General Economics Stuff

But you have a very simplified treatment of the relevant incentives. Raising (or lowering) marginal income tax rates has two effects on incentives, the substitution and the income effect, and they cut in opposite directions. The substitution effect is that as someone gets less income from each hour...
by ddxxdd
Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:54 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
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Views: 84570

Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

Warren Farrel's evidence is insufficient to support the conclusions that feminists find problematic. Insufficient evidence is as good as no evidence. It is irrelevant. How much evidence supports feminist theory? Depends on what you're talking about? There's a lot of different things going on in fem...
by ddxxdd
Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:42 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
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Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

Furthermore, I absolutely promise you, as someone who has been alive since before the 90s, that language has not changed so much as to make any of the shit farrell says acceptable or non-rapey. Backpedal faster. In terms of acceptability, how do you explain the reviews? In terms of "rapiness&q...
by ddxxdd
Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:32 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
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Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

I just want to point out two things: Repeatedly says date rape consists of “a man and woman having sex while drunk and having regrets in the morning” or "a man engages in sex without wanting to make a commitment and does not call the next day so the women “feel[s] ‘raped’" E.g., pp. 315, 3...
by ddxxdd
Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:40 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
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Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

I think some context is needed to fully understand these statements. Otherwise, why were the reviews for the book so overwhelmingly positive ? I obviously haven't read the book, so I don't have the context to address all these claims, but: "[Male rape of women] does not derive from power, but, ...
by ddxxdd
Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:42 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
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Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

Anyways, the protesters certainly tried to prevent people from attending the lecture, and they definitely harassed and bullied the people who did. The police had to physically push them out of the way. The police had every right to force those people to exercise their free speech in another location...
by ddxxdd
Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:35 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
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Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

What the protesters were doing was inexcusable at every level . Every level? That is objectively false : As we live in a society that holds freedom of speech to be extremely valuable, we have lots or very important legal structures giving them the right to do exactly what they did. If we hold freed...
by ddxxdd
Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:27 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
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Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

https://www.facebook.com/notes/university-of-toronto-students-union-utsu/statement-re-eventrally-nov-16-2012/415063845233056 Their own facebook page has noone defending the protests. posts from people that were there aren't in support of what they did. Just giving more evidence of backlash - lack o...
by ddxxdd
Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:01 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
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Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

https://www.facebook.com/notes/university-of-toronto-students-union-utsu/statement-re-eventrally-nov-16-2012/415063845233056 Their own facebook page has noone defending the protests. posts from people that were there aren't in support of what they did. Just giving more evidence of backlash - lack o...
by ddxxdd
Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:42 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
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Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

Alright, let me shift stances here. Maybe there is huge backlash. There should be backlash. The patriarchy is the ingrained power dynamic. If you are effectively challenging, you will be pissing people off. The plan isn't to wink and grin at the patriarchy and in your dulcet tones say "You'll ...
by ddxxdd
Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:31 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
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Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

Seriously, this is not a useful tangent. So apparently talking about people in comas consenting to sex is more relevant to this topic than talking about the amount of negative backlash that the protesters and the University administration is receiving as a result of this incident. Is this the moder...
by ddxxdd
Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:23 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
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Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

Seriously, this is not a useful tangent. So apparently talking about people in comas consenting to sex is more relevant to this topic than talking about the amount of negative backlash that the protesters and the University administration is receiving as a result of this incident. Is this the moder...
by ddxxdd
Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:13 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
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Views: 84570

Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

YOU INTRODUCED CARING ABOUT REDDIT TO THIS THREAD YOU DID THIS AAAAAAARGH What about the Sun News Network? What about Youtube views? Is everyone here guilty of selective reading? When my brother was in undergrad he made a video of a research robot folding socks that kinda looked like it was masturb...
by ddxxdd
Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:01 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
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Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

doogly wrote:YOU INTRODUCED CARING ABOUT REDDIT TO THIS THREAD
YOU DID THIS
AAAAAAARGH

What about the Sun News Network? What about Youtube views? Is everyone here guilty of selective reading?
by ddxxdd
Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:59 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
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Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

If someone can write a book, they can communicate. The original post was specifically talking about people who cannot communicate. Then Azrael said to assume that he meant "conscious mind trapped in a completely paralyzed body" , which strongly describes locked-in syndrome. 2. Almost 200,...
by ddxxdd
Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:47 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
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Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

Coma thing started with the post at the top of this page, I imagine. Sometimes, things are just too absurd not to point and laugh at. Also, really, tremendous international backlash? 1. If we're gonna go off on ridiculous topics, then I'll point out that if someone can write a book, then they can c...
by ddxxdd
Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:33 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
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Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

In response to Azrael: ...Is it really necessary to call me out for using a common English idiom? No, it wasn't necessary . However, given the context... So how many people here are going to protest... Is it required that I must protest [to] merely to be of the opinion that it is wrong to ...? I...
by ddxxdd
Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:26 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: General Economics Stuff
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Views: 44080

Re: General Economics Stuff

That's done through having credit available and lower cost of capital. But I think this is a good example...you don't siphon money from Already successful businesses to invest in 10 speculative start-ups as a matter of policy. The capital markets should help determine what can be funded, whether it...
by ddxxdd
Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:52 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
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Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

Azrael wrote:Then you are bad at words.
Have you ever heard people use the phrase "Is this really necessary?" or "was that really necessary?" in real life? It's an idiom. Is it really necessary to call me out for using a common English idiom?
by ddxxdd
Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:47 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: General Economics Stuff
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Views: 44080

Re: General Economics Stuff

Targeting those with the lowest elasticity? No, you have to look at the bigger picture. Raising $100B in extra taxes doesn't help if you have to provide an additional $200B in welfare. A low amount of elasticity means that taxes will have virtually no effect on the amount of output produced. Essent...
by ddxxdd
Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:32 pm UTC
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Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
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Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

And I don't think that it's necessary to violently forcefully and aggressively protest Warren Farrell to disagree with him on things he said 20 years ago. Whoop dee fucking do. The question isn't whether it's necessary. It's whether people should be allowed to if they so chose. If my recollection i...
by ddxxdd
Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:29 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: General Economics Stuff
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Re: General Economics Stuff

In response to Derek: Also, you claimed that "A line of business that was viable to open at a 18% tax rate may not be viable at a 24% tax rate." This is actually untrue and it does not represent how our tax code works and how businesses work. Essentially, only net profits are taxed. Cost o...
by ddxxdd
Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:52 pm UTC
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Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
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Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

So how many people here are going to protest Obama's re-election because he supports indefinite detention? Is it required that I must protest Obama's re-election merely to be of the opinion that it is wrong to support indefinite detention? I don't think so. And I don't think that it's necessary to ...
by ddxxdd
Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:45 pm UTC
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Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
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Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

That last paragraph is basically perfect. Someone is giving conflicting information, the explicit bits of which are no? Maybe they're conflicted, and shouldn't be pressed because you're not a terrible person! Or maybe they're not conflicted and are being misread, in which cased you shouldn't press ...
by ddxxdd
Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:30 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: General Economics Stuff
Replies: 118
Views: 44080

Re: General Economics Stuff

I love talking about economics. Just a quick intro, I believe that Keynesian economics is a respectable, falsifiable field of economics that has a lot of explanatory power. On the other hand, Austrian economics takes the idea that "government=bad" as an axiom, and builds upon that premise....
by ddxxdd
Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:15 pm UTC
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Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
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Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

That doesn't account for the 40% 'at some point' and 15% 'frequently' though. This research is saying the majority of people, the majority of the time, mean no when they say no. That statement does not contradict Farrell's research. Farrell's research merely states that there are complications in t...

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