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by Jimmigee
Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:58 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: The Assumptions of Searle’s Chinese Room Thought Experiment
Replies: 349
Views: 44534

Re: The Assumptions of Searle’s Chinese Room Thought Experim

I'm sure it's been said, but I think it's worth resaying- if we define the program as not being able to attach meaning to words, then how is it suprising that it doesn't understand chinese, ie the it doesn't understand the meaning of the words (and sentences etc)? We don't define it that way. Searl...
by Jimmigee
Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:38 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: The Assumptions of Searle’s Chinese Room Thought Experiment
Replies: 349
Views: 44534

Re: The Assumptions of Searle’s Chinese Room Thought Experim

The program is *not* able to use semantics. That's the whole point. It produces meaningful-looking language, but through a process that doesn't actually attach any external meaning to those symbols. I'm sure it's been said, but I think it's worth resaying- if we define the program as not being able...
by Jimmigee
Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:34 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: The Assumptions of Searle’s Chinese Room Thought Experiment
Replies: 349
Views: 44534

Re: The Assumptions of Searle’s Chinese Room Thought Experim

As far as I can tell the only reason to have a person inside the machine and part of the process is so that we can rely on their judgment of whether there's any understanding going on in there. And this is what makes the whole thing, to me, seem like a fairly pointless thought experiement. If you r...
by Jimmigee
Wed Jun 15, 2011 8:56 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is this evidence that the Bible contains false statements?
Replies: 182
Views: 21646

Re: Is this evidence that the Bible contains false statement

but in this particular example, where is the error? if i said "there were 30 people at the party, but my friend said there were only 20," am I being contradictory? In Ezra it said "here is <list of people>", while Nehemiah says "here is a list that said <different list of p...
by Jimmigee
Fri May 13, 2011 12:55 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Does God Exist?
Replies: 1390
Views: 126131

Re: Does God Exist?

collegestudent22 wrote:The fact that the universe can be described by a logical, ordered theory or set of theories (even if we haven't found it/them yet) indicates, in my mind, it is a created thing, and therefore there is a creator


Is it possible to expand on why you feel this way?
by Jimmigee
Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:02 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Socially Responsible Investments
Replies: 29
Views: 5537

Re: Socially Responsible Investments

I don't think the media particularly turns a blind eye in Europe. They certainly didn't in the UK on that particular issue (BBC,Guardian,Times).
by Jimmigee
Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:40 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 601000

Re: Religion: The Deuce

I don't think it's "fact" that human beings should not kill each other, but I'll still indoctrinate my kids with that view. I think that is quite sad, there are very valid reason for why and where we should kill other people just like there are reasons where the vast majority of the time ...
by Jimmigee
Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:17 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: End of the World: Adam and Eve Scenario
Replies: 343
Views: 24816

Re: End of the World: Adam and Eve Scenario

Anybody who would choose to survive would choose to have kids, else what's the point of continuing to live, it's hard work to no purpose. Well, that's not really true. You'd still be able to contribute to helping everyone else. Apart from the worsening conditions, I don't see how the "purpose&...
by Jimmigee
Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:17 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 601000

Re: Religion: The Deuce

I think your point is quite clear, you care more about how you want to raise your kids than your kids. Lying to and indoctrinating them is more important to you than educating them. This is unfair. If one belives that God does exist, then teaching them that can hardly be considered lying, and sugge...
by Jimmigee
Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:42 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Ethical issues of mutations and drug resistance.
Replies: 15
Views: 2654

Re: Ethical issues of mutations and drug resistance.

This reminds me of ethics related to drug trials. One of the key points is "The investigator's duty is solely to the patient or volunteer, and while there is always a need for research, the subject's welfare must always take precedence over the interests of science and society , and ethical con...
by Jimmigee
Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:22 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Why is there consciousness?
Replies: 107
Views: 12762

Re: Why is there consciousness?

If your computer does a calculation then it must exist. It would only prove to the computer itself that it exists, and only if it is aware that it has done a calculation. That is the whole point, it is only proof that your mind exists, and I think this ties it in with conciousness. Is it not more l...
by Jimmigee
Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:31 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 601000

Re: Religion: The Deuce

why teach them that God exists as fact? How about because I believe it's true? Just because people assert something as a fact doesn't mean it's actually a fact. Exactly, I think everyone is saying the same things about "facts". The question is whether religious people should teach their k...
by Jimmigee
Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:21 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Why is there consciousness?
Replies: 107
Views: 12762

Re: Why is there consciousness?

Headshrinker wrote:If there is no evolutionary benefit of being conscious over responding as a functional zombie


I also disagree with the conclusion of this. I think that conciousness is probably more likely to evolve than a "funcitonal zombie" which displays human level intelligence.
by Jimmigee
Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:04 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 601000

Re: Religion: The Deuce

I'm not convinced that the line between "indoctrination" and "teaching" is that clear. Up to a certain point I'm not even sure you can teach a child with anything other than something equivalent to indoctrination. I also maintain that the focus ought to be on the teaching of crit...
by Jimmigee
Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:11 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 601000

Re: Religion: The Deuce

No...I've made it clear I don't think parents should have the 'freedom' to remove the freedom of thought and feeling in their children. We should be clear that in the implied situation you will be removing parental freedoms, even if it is for the sake of the children (it is probably also worth noti...
by Jimmigee
Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:12 am UTC
Forum: Logic Puzzles
Topic: A very interesting Mathematical Paradox
Replies: 387
Views: 158064

Re: A very interesting Mathematical Paradox

I think skullturf has it nailed. People think "But it doesn't matter how far I go, 0.999... is always less than 1". They're mentally reading the number from left to right, and comparing it with 1.
by Jimmigee
Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:23 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 601000

Re: Religion: The Deuce

That is a little misleading. They are being barred due to their belief that homosexuality is wrong. Their Christianity is not really relevant. Well, only in that their belief came from Christianity. Yeah, I meant to say it was irrelevant to the decision. They could have been atheist homophobes and ...
by Jimmigee
Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:27 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 601000

Re: Religion: The Deuce

That is a little misleading. They are being barred due to their belief that homosexuality is wrong. Their Christianity is not really relevant.
by Jimmigee
Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:46 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 601000

Re: Religion: The Deuce

Horsefeathers! I could not agree more. We have been down this road before, possibly in a different thread. "Live and let live" is a perfectly reasonable approach to take, but here we are having a debate involving claims about the universe. Who began the debate (the "attacker") i...
by Jimmigee
Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:12 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Does God Exist?
Replies: 1390
Views: 126131

Re: Does God Exist?

Handily, we also don't need to know exactly what you mean by God. Consider fruit. I can talk about fruit, citrus fruits or lemons. I am not restricted to talking about this lemon here. Different interpretations of Gods generally share some common ground, so we can discuss these conceptual gods in gr...
by Jimmigee
Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:59 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Blame, Credit, Free Will & a dash of Determinism
Replies: 36
Views: 5342

Re: Blame, Credit, Free Will & a dash of Determinism

As far as I can tell, the origin of everything I have thought of is made up of environment, genetics, and some form of randomness. If this is true, what does it mean? As near as I can tell, it means that we should not REALLY be blamed for our actions. It looks like you've created a seperate "s...
by Jimmigee
Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:39 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: The cause of addiction and other irrational behaviour
Replies: 251
Views: 23699

Re: The cause of addiction and other irrational behaviour

This would be true if the leaflet contained the relevant information and addicts believed what the leaflet said. Pragmatism is a philosophical movement that includes those who claim that an ideology or proposition can be said to be true if and only if it works satisfactorily I suggest you get writi...
by Jimmigee
Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:10 pm UTC
Forum: Logic Puzzles
Topic: Space-themed riddle - win a puzzle!
Replies: 12
Views: 4935

Re: Space-themed riddle - win a puzzle!

I wondered if first, second and third were references to specific rocket stages of one mission but couldn't find anything from there. Just throwing that out since, even if it were the case, my knowledge is lacking and my google skills brought up nothing.
by Jimmigee
Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:56 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 601000

Re: Religion: The Deuce

It points out a couple of things, one being the way Christians perceive atheists. The other is the reason that Religions seem to exist in the first place that is to "persuade/coerce people to follow a moral code". Well, the first point is not really true where I'm from (the UK), but yeah,...
by Jimmigee
Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:52 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: The cause of addiction and other irrational behaviour
Replies: 251
Views: 23699

Re: The cause of addiction and other irrational behaviour

I'd like to post here, but I'm a little bit afraid that having redefined this many words I might be insulting someones grandmother... Anyway, I am genuinely utterly bemused as to what ThePragmatist is suggesting now. It seems to be "With sufficient willpower one can overcome addiction". Wh...
by Jimmigee
Fri Feb 11, 2011 11:59 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 601000

Re: Religion: The Deuce

So we are left with "Thou shall not murder if you will get caught." Moral relativism. Aren't we left with "Though shall not murder because if everyone does it we're screwed"? The fact that if your not caught there are no personal consequences is irrelevant to the moral. I believ...
by Jimmigee
Fri Feb 11, 2011 11:15 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Does God Exist?
Replies: 1390
Views: 126131

Re: Does God Exist?

I don't believe that the Euthyphro dilemma is as much of a cut-and-dry issue as some here are suggesting. Just as a hypothetical exercise, let's imagine that I'm watching my toddler son play in my back yard, an I see him start to play with an ant hill. I think to myself "Hmmm, if he keeps this...
by Jimmigee
Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:31 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Does God Exist?
Replies: 1390
Views: 126131

Re: Does God Exist?

So are we not left with the belief that God is responsible for all things that we consider evil? How does that reconcile with omnibenevolence? I don't see how this answered anything: "A particular attribute of God that Epicurus conveniently forgot to mention is that He is patient." Anyway,...
by Jimmigee
Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:10 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Does God Exist?
Replies: 1390
Views: 126131

Re: Does God Exist?

A particular attribute of God taht Epicurus conveniently forgot to mention is that He is patient. God is inevitable, but he is also waiting. I'm under the impression that the Christian God is timeless. Patience doesn't really have any meaning here. Maybe this isn't what you believe? In my understan...
by Jimmigee
Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:45 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Does God Exist?
Replies: 1390
Views: 126131

Re: Does God Exist?

that essentially is the leap of faith involved in science. Of course it doesn't feel like it, and everyone does it all the time. But my point is that science, following that assumption (or leap of faith), has proven to work consistently. I have been putting forward that to truly "know" an...
by Jimmigee
Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:01 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Why is there consciousness?
Replies: 107
Views: 12762

Re: Why is there consciousness?

It's a moot point; if there wasn't consciousness, we wouldn't be discussing it. Or at least, not caring/aware to discuss it. This discussion isn't moot. Asking "Is consciousness possible?" or something similar would be. But asking, for example, how the internet originated would not be moo...
by Jimmigee
Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:04 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Topfree Movement: Wanting to Have Ones Cake and Eat It Too
Replies: 205
Views: 19703

Re: Topfree Movement: Wanting to Have Ones Cake and Eat It T

It's interesting that the movement is not calling for full nudity for everyone. Surely the same reasoning applies, which suggests to me that the only issue is the inequality involved. Perhaps we can illegalise naked torsos of any gender? Problem solved. I for one think it would be a shame to loose t...
by Jimmigee
Mon Jan 24, 2011 2:04 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Does God Exist?
Replies: 1390
Views: 126131

Re: Does God Exist?

It is not a mechanism for rejection of any claim. It is an argument for stating the relative value of the argument for the existence of God versus nonexistence. He is careful not to make any claim other than that the doubter has no burden to disprove anything since the relative weight of the argume...
by Jimmigee
Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:33 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Standard Unit of Healthcare
Replies: 27
Views: 5145

Re: Standard Unit of Healthcare

If the colony is going to be out in space for, say, a century, you can expect drug resistances to develop and new germs to evolve (think of all the drug-resistant diseases that have arisen since 1911). Will the problem be on the same scale in such a controlled and limited environment though? I have...
by Jimmigee
Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:25 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Does God Exist?
Replies: 1390
Views: 126131

Re: Does God Exist?

But when you get right down to it, you cannot make a "definitive" winning argument for anything. It's a matter of weighing how sure you are one way or the other. So, I don't believe in [insert absurd concept] because there is no evidence to suggest [absurd concept] exists. On that scale I ...
by Jimmigee
Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:24 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 601000

Re: Religion: The Deuce

So, Greyarcher, I believe a summary is: 1) Children believe what they're taught and 2) as adults we are less likely to change these beliefs. I'm not sure this applies more to religion than any other belief though. What is the conversion rate from religious to atheist? I'd be tempted to suggest that ...
by Jimmigee
Thu Dec 09, 2010 12:12 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 601000

Re: Religion: The Deuce

I don't think it matters if the car 'evolved' or not. The analogy is supposed to show that an intelligence is required for a universe this complex and ordered.
by Jimmigee
Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:58 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 601000

Re: Religion: The Deuce

What gives you your certainty that the car is manufactured? Its orderly arrangement. Its abillity to function (id say, that theres a bazillion factors regarding my abillity to type right now, and each of them could go wrong) its not even as in complexity being the factor, but how can something exis...
by Jimmigee
Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:00 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 601000

Re: Religion: The Deuce

In response to thorgold: 1) How did the god come into existance? I don't know why the answer to that can't apply to the universe too. Please give me the answer and we'll see. 2) The second law of thermodynamics is with respect to the tendancy of an entire system, stating that entropy of that system ...
by Jimmigee
Wed Dec 01, 2010 4:08 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: How to tackle heavy-handed messages?
Replies: 21
Views: 5938

Re: How to tackle heavy-handed messages?

I sympathize with "Darwin award winners". They are human beings. In the OP's particular case, human beings whose self worth has been beaten down, whose connections outside of the relationship have been torn apart, whose resources and options have been systematically attacked, and whose id...

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