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by rat4000
Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:58 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: POST HERE AND GET BANNED
Replies: 13
Views: 100139

Re: POST HERE AND GET BANNED

It's been a fine time but it's high time that it's over
by rat4000
Fri Apr 24, 2015 8:03 pm UTC
Forum: Books
Topic: A poem for a day
Replies: 90
Views: 33970

Re: A poem for a day

Rudyard Kipling's The Hymn of Breaking Strain The careful text books measure (Let all who build beware!) The load, the shock, the pressure Material can bear. So, when the buckled girder Lets down the grinding span, The blame of loss, or murder, Is laid upon the man. Not on the Stuff — the Man! But i...
by rat4000
Sun Apr 19, 2015 10:53 am UTC
Forum: Books
Topic: A poem for a day
Replies: 90
Views: 33970

Re: A poem for a day

That last poem sent me on a rather enjoyable journey through Stone Telling's archives.

Elizabeth R McClellan, Panikos

It is fairly long and also worth your time.
by rat4000
Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:00 am UTC
Forum: Books
Topic: A poem for a day
Replies: 90
Views: 33970

Re: A poem for a day

Been discovering Sonya Taaffe lately. Sometimes she hits and sometimes she misses, but when she hits she hits hard.

Domovoi, I Came Back!
by rat4000
Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:54 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Mar 25th - Actual Important Announcement - Mod Madness 2015
Replies: 582
Views: 143733

Re: Mar 25th - Actual Important Announcement - Mod Madness 2

How do you pronounce it? In America it's often /'keɪtlɪn/ or something close, and in Ireland I think it's supposed to be /kat'lɪ:n/ or something close. Those are kind of far away from one another. If you are unfamiliar with IPA, an inadequate way to show the difference is to say that it's KATE-leen...
by rat4000
Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:48 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Trolley Problem
Replies: 349
Views: 75497

Re: Trolly Problem

Maybe I don't understand what [Forest Goose means] by "justified"? This, yeah. You seem to be saying that if some moral principle is justified in a case then it is the principle we should follow in that case, but that's not even close to how I use the word. Basically I'd say that "Yo...
by rat4000
Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:20 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Mar 25th - Actual Important Announcement - Mod Madness 2015
Replies: 582
Views: 143733

Re: Mar 25th - Actual Important Announcement - Mod Madness 2

How do you pronounce it? In America it's often /'keɪtlɪn/ or something close, and in Ireland I think it's supposed to be /kat'lɪ:n/ or something close. Those are kind of far away from one another. If you are unfamiliar with IPA, an inadequate way to show the difference is to say that it's KATE-leen ...
by rat4000
Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:01 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Trolley Problem
Replies: 349
Views: 75497

Re: Trolly Problem

I am... still kind of confused. So, the new (1) is (1*) Max(min) is the correct principle to follow in cases where no other justified moral principle applies. From this, it follows that Max(min) is justified. (No other justified moral principle. And at any rate any principle which is sometimes to be...
by rat4000
Thu Apr 09, 2015 2:46 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Trolley Problem
Replies: 349
Views: 75497

Re: Trolly Problem

Yep, I missed that line in your response to Cradarc--I apologize. I, too, have no idea what question-begging TMT is seeing, so I guess we're waiting for her.
by rat4000
Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:03 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Trolley Problem
Replies: 349
Views: 75497

Re: Trolly Problem

1 and 2 [...] do imply 3 Right, this is the problem. Take the following statements: (N3) Max(min) is not the right solution for this case. (1) as in your post. (2) as in your post. (4) There is a moral principle involved in this case (besides Max(min)), but it's not a justified moral principle. The...
by rat4000
Thu Apr 09, 2015 12:46 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Mar 25th - Actual Important Announcement - Mod Madness 2015
Replies: 582
Views: 143733

Re: Mar 25th - Actual Important Announcement - Mod Madness 2

(Edit: Perhaps some already know this, but perhaps "Cait" is a given name in Celtic cultures? ( baby names: cait ) and if so, then definitely of the likely-more-female end of the distribution, if one were to guess out of context.) "Cait" seems to be a shortening of "Caitlin...
by rat4000
Thu Apr 09, 2015 12:37 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Trolley Problem
Replies: 349
Views: 75497

Re: Trolly Problem

Right, the deleted post was mine. Basically I was confused about a thing, but it seems FG was confused about a thing too. Okay, now for real, I'm not deleting this one. I am pretty confused still. TMT's statement is neither (1) nor (2). TMT's statement does not follow from (1) and (2). TMT's stateme...
by rat4000
Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:22 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Moral Dilemma Debate Version
Replies: 36
Views: 8074

Re: Moral Dilemma Debate Version

There's no reason to assume either scenario is accidental or deliberate. True, but I think my reading is reasonable given how both were presented. In any case, I don't think whether it's accidental or deliberate changes the logic That's a completely valid opinion, of course; my point is just that t...
by rat4000
Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:58 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Moral Dilemma Debate Version
Replies: 36
Views: 8074

Re: Moral Dilemma Debate Version

It's not the same thing as the other thread. As the trolley problem is standardly presented, the situation is accidental -- no one's fault. Here, the situation is someone's fault; nanobots don't inject themselves. There is no inconsistency in thinking that in situations that are no one's fault, you ...
by rat4000
Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:25 am UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Lucky Ten Thousand (TIL)
Replies: 13405
Views: 1451541

Re: Today I Learned

Carlington wrote: it could have roots that go further back than Dutch.
This says it's a loan from German. And that's what I learned today.
by rat4000
Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:04 am UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Post your boat race.
Replies: 20908
Views: 2573764

Re: Post your boat race.

suffer-cait wrote: it's comforting to know you're my age though.
wait, you're 23?

everyone on this forum is younger than I think they are, aren't they. (With you it's not the face, it's your posts that made me think you were 25 or above.)

Though come to think of it I thought Kewangji was 22, so there's that.
by rat4000
Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:43 am UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Post your boat race.
Replies: 20908
Views: 2573764

Re: Post your boat race.

Carlington wrote:Have a photo of my face, freshly showered!
That is an amazing beard.
by rat4000
Fri Mar 20, 2015 7:14 pm UTC
Forum: Books
Topic: Worst/Overrated books.
Replies: 753
Views: 252045

Re: Worst/Overrated books.

In my group of online friends we have a half-joke that people (young men) who like Hemingway (and Bukowski) are to be avoided. There's a very special type of immature person, we reckon, who hold those up to be the pinnacle of literature. So I definitely agree that he is overrated, and would like to...
by rat4000
Mon Feb 02, 2015 1:31 am UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Social Literacy Thread (split from Rant)
Replies: 121
Views: 15664

Re: Social Literacy Thread (split from Rant)

I am unsure if I understand your point here. I don't think you do. (Meaning: I failed to communicate it.) I read Shro here (the "I am really good at..." and "Do we value..." paragraphs, mainly) as saying that a society in which everyone has the social skills that she has is, sim...
by rat4000
Sun Feb 01, 2015 7:48 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Social Literacy Thread (split from Rant)
Replies: 121
Views: 15664

Re: Rant Thread : For all your obscenity screaming needs

This makes you sound kind of jerky. Did you have to add the "if for nothing else"? Yeah, you're right. The discussion is the only thing here that's of value to me (=that I'm enjoying) and I kinda didn't realize that the sentence would probably be understood as intended to be objective. Th...
by rat4000
Sun Feb 01, 2015 2:02 am UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Social Literacy Thread (split from Rant)
Replies: 121
Views: 15664

Re: Rant Thread : For all your obscenity screaming needs

I will be kinda laconic and respond to only a couple of things in a long post in a long conversation, so maybe it is appropriate to say that I like what you (Shro) are doing here; for the way it facilitates discussion if for nothing else. I will attempt to justify why this is important. Our communit...
by rat4000
Sun Jan 11, 2015 2:31 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Why is there a need to be labeled? (gender, sexuality, etc)
Replies: 237
Views: 51240

Re: Why is there a need to be labeled? (gender, sexuality, e

Of the several dozens people I personally have known and met that uses more specific labels other than the common male/female hetero/homo/bisexual terms, they have all been active tumblr users. Maybe they became tumblr users after they'd used the labels for a while? I mean, you seem to be saying th...
by rat4000
Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:40 am UTC
Forum: Books
Topic: A poem for a day
Replies: 90
Views: 33970

Re: A poem for a day

Dreaming of summer: Wendell Berry, June Wind.

It is short.
by rat4000
Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:05 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Why is there a need to be labeled? (gender, sexuality, etc)
Replies: 237
Views: 51240

Re: Why is there a need to be labeled? (gender, sexuality, e

I just feel it makes more sense to describe someone based on their sex, rather than gender, since sex has a concrete definition. I kinda see it as, Gender is like calling someone 'tall', sex is like calling someone '6 foot tall' gender is more how someone is preceived while sex is a more concrete t...
by rat4000
Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:54 am UTC
Forum: Books
Topic: A poem for a day
Replies: 90
Views: 33970

Re: A poem for a day

Not a bad translation! (I would change a spot or two, but I suspect everyone would, for every translation of every poem that is not their own.) It served as a reminder to post a translation of Rilke, by Jeff Sypeck, which I'd also change very slightly if I could, but which is also rather brilliant a...
by rat4000
Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:44 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Sydney Siege
Replies: 56
Views: 11238

Re: Sydney Siege

So it becomes a moral question; is it the right choice to die to spare others a horrible fate? Yeah, you're right, and it occurs to me that publicly discussing what is moral for hostages to do, while some recently ex-hostages are still walking home, is something I don't want to do. I'll very gladly...
by rat4000
Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:01 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Sydney Siege
Replies: 56
Views: 11238

Re: Sydney Siege

I'm under the impression that a difficult hostage raises the chance of those hostages dying but reduces the chance of someone trying to take hostages in the first place. Imagine if for example, all the Africans brought over to the Americas refused to work. They would be beaten and mutilated to deat...
by rat4000
Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:03 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6248
Views: 899273

Re: Police misbehavior thread

gmalivuk wrote:And if my reminders that everyone's a little bit racist bother you so much, why should your "everyone's a little bit prejudiced" line be any different?
There is a real difference between explicit and implicit attitudes, so it seems reasonable to have a terminological difference also.
by rat4000
Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:49 am UTC
Forum: Books
Topic: A poem for a day
Replies: 90
Views: 33970

Re: A poem for a day

This one, I found thanks to the King of FaiD. Banjo Patterson, Clancy of the Overflow I had written him a letter which I had, for want of better Knowledge, sent to where I met him down the Lachlan, years ago, He was shearing when I knew him, so I sent the letter to him, Just on spec, addressed as fo...
by rat4000
Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:24 am UTC
Forum: Books
Topic: A poem for a day
Replies: 90
Views: 33970

Re: A poem for a day

Philip Larkin's Love Again Love again: wanking at ten past three (Surely he's taken her home by now?), The bedroom hot as a bakery, The drink gone dead, without showing how To meet tomorrow, and afterwards, And the usual pain, like dysentery. Someone else feeling her breasts and cunt, Someone else d...
by rat4000
Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:51 pm UTC
Forum: Books
Topic: A poem for a day
Replies: 90
Views: 33970

Re: A poem for a day

I found this one because E. M. Forster quotes it in a book, which is one of the better ways to find poems. I think I knew half of it by heart at one point. Matthew Arnold, A Modern Sappho They are gone: all is still: Foolish heart, dost thou quiver? Nothing moves on the lawn but the quick lilac shad...
by rat4000
Sun Nov 30, 2014 3:25 pm UTC
Forum: Books
Topic: A poem for a day
Replies: 90
Views: 33970

Re: A poem for a day

This one's apparently really famous but I only read it today: Emily Brontë's The Old Stoic Riches I hold in light esteem, And Love I laugh to scorn; And lust of fame was but a dream, That vanished with the morn: And if I pray, the only prayer That moves my lips for me Is, 'Leave the heart that now I...
by rat4000
Fri Nov 28, 2014 7:35 am UTC
Forum: Books
Topic: A poem for a day
Replies: 90
Views: 33970

Re: A poem for a day

Tennyson's
The Eagle

He clasps the crag with crooked hands;
Close to the sun in lonely lands,
Ring'd with the azure world, he stands.

The wrinkled sea beneath him crawls;
He watches from his mountain walls,
And like a thunderbolt he falls.
by rat4000
Sat Nov 22, 2014 11:15 am UTC
Forum: Books
Topic: A poem for a day
Replies: 90
Views: 33970

Re: A poem for a day

More Robinson Jeffers, because you can't have too much Robinson Jeffers: Orca.
The earth is a star, its human element
is what darkens it.
by rat4000
Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:39 am UTC
Forum: Books
Topic: A poem for a day
Replies: 90
Views: 33970

Re: A poem for a day

John M. Ford wrote (second post) a spontaneous sonnet eleven years ago. Since it's much more powerful when one understands what made him pick up the pen, I'll leave this one as a link.
by rat4000
Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:10 pm UTC
Forum: Books
Topic: A poem for a day
Replies: 90
Views: 33970

Re: A poem for a day

Permit me some prose. There will be a poem by Yeats at the end of this post, but I want first to say why it will be this poem. And the reason has something to do with the two poems by Yeats that have been posted already, so it seems reasonable to express it. "The Second Coming" and "S...
by rat4000
Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:19 am UTC
Forum: Books
Topic: A poem for a day
Replies: 90
Views: 33970

Re: A poem for a day

Sylvia Plath's Dirge for a Joker Always in the middle of a kiss Came the profane stimulus to cough; Always from the pulpit during service Leaned the devil prompting you to laugh. Behind mock-ceremony of your grief Lurked the burlesque instinct of the ham; You never altered your amused belief That li...
by rat4000
Sun Nov 09, 2014 10:17 pm UTC
Forum: Books
Topic: A poem for a day
Replies: 90
Views: 33970

Re: A poem for a day

I read of the real Buffalo Bill in a translated yarn about Indians originally written in East Germany, long before I read anything by Thomas Harris. And that cummings poem is a marvel. Charles Bukowski, life of the king I awaken at 11:30 a.m. get into my chinos and a clean green shirt open a Miller'...
by rat4000
Thu Nov 06, 2014 7:17 pm UTC
Forum: Books
Topic: A poem for a day
Replies: 90
Views: 33970

Re: A poem for a day

by rat4000
Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:22 am UTC
Forum: Books
Topic: A poem for a day
Replies: 90
Views: 33970

Re: A poem for a day

Dorothy Parker's Prayer for a New Mother The things she knew, let her forget again -- The voices in the sky, the fear, the cold, The gaping shepherds, and the queer old men Piling their clumsy gifts of foreign gold. Let her have laughter with her little one; Teach her the endless, tuneless songs to ...

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