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by palam
Sun Sep 20, 2009 11:45 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0638: "The Search"
Replies: 139
Views: 34260

Re: "The Search" Discussion

ShemTealeaf wrote:The alt text reminds me of the opening of Snow Crash.


Glad I wasn't the only one. :wink:
by palam
Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:03 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0610: "Sheeple"
Replies: 511
Views: 94139

Re: "Sheeple" Discussion

The more one knows, the more capable a thinker he becomes. The only way to make the world a better place, to prevent sexy but unrealistic social organization memes from making everyone miserable (Russian communism), is to give people the ability to reason it out for themselves. The Wikipedia guy tot...
by palam
Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:41 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0610: "Sheeple"
Replies: 511
Views: 94139

Re: "Sheeple" Discussion

Total words: 118953 Total posters: 139 So the top (0.2 * 139) = 27.8 ~~ 28. In the top 28 posters 105933 words. 105933 / 118953 = 89.1% LOLS!! That's great. If you use regexs, it probably took you much less time to do than it took me. I was wondering, did you factor out non-unique nested quotes? It...
by palam
Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:36 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0610: "Sheeple"
Replies: 511
Views: 94139

Re: "Sheeple" Discussion

In fact, this thread is also representative of the Pareto principle. As it gets longer, it is approaching 20% of the posters posting 80% of the posts. As of this post: 139 unique users andrewclunn 57 Flewellyn 35 palam 28 brian0918 27 Kilroy(zTC) 23 Pazi 22 markfiend 20 rigaTony 12 ellbur 11 scwizar...
by palam
Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:32 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0610: "Sheeple"
Replies: 511
Views: 94139

Re: "Sheeple" Discussion

Because humanity is a social species, morality is an evolved set of behaviours that has contributed to the survival of our species. Therefore I believe that morality is based on a recognition of our common humanity. On this basis, it seems obvious to me that the great divide between rich and poor -...
by palam
Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:30 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0610: "Sheeple"
Replies: 511
Views: 94139

Re: "Sheeple" Discussion

People should only resort to attack in an intellectual discussion once they have realized their argumants hold no water. (Palam isn't really worth replying to; he sounds about like I did at age 19 and that's a strong disincentive to feed into it; Andrew is at least coherent and doesn't pretend to m...
by palam
Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:45 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0610: "Sheeple"
Replies: 511
Views: 94139

Re: "Sheeple" Discussion

If you are unfamiliar with the absolute/relative , please read the rest of the thread. A=A is an absolute. This is a construct of the mind, what I loosely referred to as the knowledge/mind/imagination world for lack of a better term for it (the Christians make the dichotomy the temporal and the spi...
by palam
Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:27 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0610: "Sheeple"
Replies: 511
Views: 94139

Re: "Sheeple" Discussion

Those who do good for others always get something in return. Some common forms of payment are: A sense of moral superiority, reduction in guilt for being better off than others, satisfaction of self-esteem or self actualization needs, accumulation of moral capital, tax breaks for charitable giving,...
by palam
Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:59 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0610: "Sheeple"
Replies: 511
Views: 94139

Re: "Sheeple" Discussion

Part 2 Eventually, both the hard-pressed native animals and the introduced ones will come under the same pressures again, and in the long run, it's not placentals who carry the advantage. To suggest that the imported fauna were "more competitive" is to view evolution through the timekeepin...
by palam
Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:22 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0610: "Sheeple"
Replies: 511
Views: 94139

Re: "Sheeple" Discussion

Pazi, wow. I expected a thorough analysis, but not so much insulting of my intelligence. You should reign in those emotions ;). I will respond last-in-first-out. The Arabs of 500 A.D. were comprised of small bands that were constantly warring under "eye for an eye" law (tit-for-tat downwar...
by palam
Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:29 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0610: "Sheeple"
Replies: 511
Views: 94139

Re: "Sheeple" Discussion

And yes, socialism is a Godwin. It can never work and believing in it is nothing more than wishful thinking. UK Sweden Germany France New Zealand Canada The Netherlands Denmark Norway To name just a few societies that implement socialism in various ways, at various levels. None of them are economic...
by palam
Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:45 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0610: "Sheeple"
Replies: 511
Views: 94139

Re: "Sheeple" Discussion

Once you throw a ball, it’s hard not to care where it lands. Pazi, Andrewcullen is right. I do not self-identify as an Objectivist. I believe in a lot of what they offer, but by no means all of it (or even some of their defining elements). Emotionally infused arguments aside, I do not think you and ...
by palam
Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:20 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0610: "Sheeple"
Replies: 511
Views: 94139

Re: "Sheeple" Discussion

Huh? who was defending the Republican party? I may be an economic conservative, yes, but socially I'm a liberal. The Republican party doesn't even represent economic conservatism anymore... basically they are now the antithesis of everything I believe. I do not see how true Objectivists could ident...
by palam
Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:38 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0610: "Sheeple"
Replies: 511
Views: 94139

Re: "Sheeple" Discussion

Andrewcullen, "bleeding-heart liberals" can not accept the idea that Objectivists might care for the state of the poor. I think that for many poor people who lift themselves up, they do so by adopting a stringent pragmatism that lends itself to libertarian thought. That pragmatism might b...
by palam
Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:24 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0610: "Sheeple"
Replies: 511
Views: 94139

Re: "Sheeple" Discussion

This was Pazi's original statement. I am merely stating that "expecting nothing particular in return" translates to "delude oneself into believing that there is not a transaction taking place." I would argue that it is important to make this distinction because if one actually w...
by palam
Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:05 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0610: "Sheeple"
Replies: 511
Views: 94139

Re: "Sheeple" Discussion

There's another thing about your comments that really strikes me the wrong way. Now, I self-identify as a conservative and I am a white male. I grew up in a poor home, but now make about the national average (which I know is well about the national median.) There was quite a bit of unnecessary (and...
by palam
Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:46 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0610: "Sheeple"
Replies: 511
Views: 94139

Re: "Sheeple" Discussion

"A sense of moral superiority" was only one of multiple listed reasons for helping others. You and I have a clearly different observed "real world." Walk around any college campus and you will see lots of plaques and named halls. When as a boyscout I sold my neighbor popcorn as ...
by palam
Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:14 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0610: "Sheeple"
Replies: 511
Views: 94139

Re: "Sheeple" Discussion

And then there's the real world, where it usually doesn't get you any of that. You seem to have a skewed idea of how many altruists thinks it makes them better than others. A sense of moral superiority, reduction in guilt for being better off than others, satisfaction of self-esteem or self actuali...
by palam
Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:36 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0610: "Sheeple"
Replies: 511
Views: 94139

Re: "Sheeple" Discussion

WARNING: rant ...and for those who would not read past the first sentence unless this was stated... From one minority to another It makes me sick when I hear racial minorities whining about how hard their lot is because of their race. This particular minority culture is characterized by complaining ...
by palam
Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:05 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0610: "Sheeple"
Replies: 511
Views: 94139

Re: "Sheeple" Discussion

False dichotomy, straw man. Altruism is simply a term for one voluntarily giving what one has to others expecting nothing particular in return. It's not an organized philosophy, though some organized philosophies, worldviews or religions do advocate it. Some of those may in turn be very missionary ...
by palam
Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:18 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0610: "Sheeple"
Replies: 511
Views: 94139

Re: "Sheeple" Discussion

Libertarians/Objectivists/rationalists all seem to self-label as "conservative." I however would consider myself a "liberal" second only to being a "libertarian." I don't see how this is a contradiction. I have however not noticed any other posters on this thread that w...
by palam
Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:50 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0610: "Sheeple"
Replies: 511
Views: 94139

Re: "Sheeple" Discussion

3. Ayn Rand's views about the military 3 is there because I do not feel Rand gives enough credit to natural selection and the fact that violence has the final word. If your group isn't willing to play the game, you are going to lose. If you have a society that is productive as Objectivists think an...
by palam
Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:24 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0610: "Sheeple"
Replies: 511
Views: 94139

Re: "Sheeple" Discussion

Man. I try to be open with my philosophy rather than condemning. Sometimes people just make it really hard to not take things personally. It's the same thing that athelas and I agreed on about the Idiocracy comic: http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=41627&p=1656069#p1656069 I try not...
by palam
Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:57 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0610: "Sheeple"
Replies: 511
Views: 94139

Re: "Sheeple" Discussion

Sometimes Randall posts a particularly contentious comic, and I lurk through the following discussion- as with the 'nice guy' comic. I admit I didn't know what objectivism was before I read this comic or visited this forum- but I had a glance through the wiki and reading through this forum discussi...
by palam
Fri Jul 17, 2009 4:21 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0610: "Sheeple"
Replies: 511
Views: 94139

Re: "Sheeple" Discussion

Here's the rub- I have no problem with objectivism in it's self- but the majority of objectivsts in this board totally disgust me. Arguments IMO are ment to be a discussion of ideas- an exchange of thought, validation and disproof and consideration of all other schools of thought leading to the enl...
by palam
Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:13 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0610: "Sheeple"
Replies: 511
Views: 94139

Re: "Sheeple" Discussion

I apologise if this has already been said, but isn't there a a very obvious problem with using all the shit Rand wrote as an ideology? The basic idea, from what i've picked up reading this thread, is that: 1. People are motivated purely by self-interest 2. A system based on self-interest will lead ...
by palam
Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:21 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0610: "Sheeple"
Replies: 511
Views: 94139

Re: "Sheeple" Discussion

You (all objectivists) keep saying this as if it is self evident. It is neither self-evident, nor actually true. Alright, then. What individual rights does it violate? You know for a fact that it isn't true, so it should be simple to cite the rights that are violated under laissez-faire capitalism....
by palam
Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:42 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0610: "Sheeple"
Replies: 511
Views: 94139

Re: "Sheeple" Discussion

I do not consider myself an objectivist. I merely consider myself a person who tries to be as rational as possible. While most of my beliefs seem to be in lock step with objectivist thought, I believe that labels put constraints on what one feels they are free to explore philosophically. Arguing abo...
by palam
Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:07 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0610: "Sheeple"
Replies: 511
Views: 94139

Re: "Sheeple" Discussion

Oh no. I understand that people in power are always screwing over the poor. The only difference with capitalism though is that there's at least an opportunity for social mobility. Then we can still have a conversation. Capitalism may offer some economic class mobility, but in its pure form it does ...
by palam
Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:58 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0610: "Sheeple"
Replies: 511
Views: 94139

Re: "Sheeple" Discussion

This thread is moving fast. I'm curious if palam used a postmodern essay generator to create his reply. I particularly liked the comparison of striving for objectivity to limits in calculus. I liked the blatant elitism in the name of altruism. If you can get past the fact that you disagree with my ...
by palam
Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:27 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0610: "Sheeple"
Replies: 511
Views: 94139

Re: "Sheeple" Discussion

I've never posted on these threads before, however I felt compelled to do so this time. I have read most of Rand's works. I've read the Fountainhead four times (that is to say, I've read The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged each once). Trying to understand morality can be done from the perspective t...
by palam
Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:04 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0610: "Sheeple"
Replies: 511
Views: 94139

Re: "Sheeple" Discussion

This thread is moving fast. I'm curious if palam used a postmodern essay generator to create his reply. I particularly liked the comparison of striving for objectivity to limits in calculus. I liked the blatant elitism in the name of altruism. If you can get past the fact that you disagree with my v...
by palam
Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:58 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0610: "Sheeple"
Replies: 511
Views: 94139

Re: "Sheeple" Discussion

I've never posted on these threads before, however I felt compelled to do so this time. I have read most of Rand's works. I've read the Fountainhead four times (that is to say, I've read The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged each once). Trying to understand morality can be done from the perspective th...

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