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by Autolykos
Thu Sep 17, 2015 9:58 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Creationism sub-thread
Replies: 354
Views: 54064

Re: Creationism sub-thread

I think the only reason one can still, with the current (lack of) evidence available, believe in god and be a half-decent scientist is that humans are scary good at compartmentalizing. This would, in theory, also allow for young-earth-creationists to do ok in some sciences (as long as they don't con...
by Autolykos
Thu Sep 17, 2015 8:41 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?
Replies: 131
Views: 30419

Re: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?

Okay, point taken. This one does show that humans still adapt to the environment (especially the changes they create themselves). It doesn't prove that the speed is the same as with other animals, but I have nothing to prove my speculation, either. Still doesn't settle the original question of wheth...
by Autolykos
Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:27 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Creationism sub-thread
Replies: 354
Views: 54064

Re: Creationism sub-thread

I think the matters become a lot clearer once we stop asking "Who is right?" and instead ask "Which system of beliefs is more failsafe?". Not only is the second question often easier to answer, it is also much more relevant in the long term. If it turned out in ten years that the...
by Autolykos
Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:11 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?
Replies: 131
Views: 30419

Re: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?

Just because you're ignorant of most recent genetic changes doesn't mean there weren't any. Before throwing around snarky comments, you should first make sure that you understand what you're linking to. The article talks about plenty of mutations, sure. Some good, some bad, most neutral. But for ev...
by Autolykos
Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:49 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Mental support for pedophiles
Replies: 51
Views: 25167

Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Looks like a pretty good solution to me, but I doubt it would be politically viable in most places (at least after the mob gets wind of it). When even stories or drawings are illegal, I don't think you could get away with building and renting/selling those robots for long. Japan is a lot more open t...
by Autolykos
Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:36 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?
Replies: 131
Views: 30419

Re: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?

Call it whatever you want, but it may well be the adaptation to end all adaptation (or come very close to it). There is very little change to be found in homo sapiens (the only ones that come to mind are less melanin in areas with less sunlight, and tolerance to lactose in adults), with the latter o...
by Autolykos
Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:35 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?
Replies: 131
Views: 30419

Re: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?

In a sense, that's true. But reason means we don't just have to take it and die, we can survive a long time while being poorly adapted. There might still be some advantageous traits that reach saturation and stay around in populations, but the pressure is way, way lower. It would be incredibly surpr...
by Autolykos
Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:08 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?
Replies: 131
Views: 30419

Re: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?

Depends on what you use it for. Those problems might be perfectly fine in a flight sim, but look like total arse in a strategy game. Which is exactly the situation humans find themselves in: We don't live in the environment we evolved in, and some of our quirks that were not that harmful or even hel...
by Autolykos
Thu Sep 03, 2015 1:05 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?
Replies: 131
Views: 30419

Re: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?

Those...are not exclusive terms. Adaptive traits generally are fitness increasing ones. You're right. Insert a "but" if it makes you feel better. The word "compulsion" was yours, not mine. As for cognative biases...look, emotions are not inherently good or bad. They just are. Th...
by Autolykos
Wed Sep 02, 2015 2:56 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?
Replies: 131
Views: 30419

Re: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?

Now you're just quote-mining. That point was talking about the way it works in humans, not robots. For the robot part I agree with Tyndmyr's point that "empathy" in the sense of "having a model of the other guy's internal state" (let's call it Empathy-1) may be useful. For the hu...
by Autolykos
Wed Sep 02, 2015 2:36 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1572: "xkcd Survey"
Replies: 366
Views: 124940

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

My most frequently mispelled word is "the", which usually comes out "hte". Although, now that I think about it, the one I get wrong every time is "image", which I always type as "iamge", which makes life difficult for a photographer. Mine's "height"...
by Autolykos
Wed Sep 02, 2015 1:58 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1572: "xkcd Survey"
Replies: 366
Views: 124940

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Is the "type in five random words" an attempt to steal other peoples' passwords? If so, you're a crafty guy, Randall.

Also, "On a scale from 1 to 5, which number is your favourite?" does not parse for me.
by Autolykos
Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:49 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?
Replies: 131
Views: 30419

Re: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?

That's how it works in humans, too. Just because I empathize with someone doesn't mean I have a compulsion. A cognitive bias is not the same thing as a compulsion. You won't feel like you have to do something that looks illogical - instead, what seems right to you will systematically be off from th...
by Autolykos
Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:45 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?
Replies: 131
Views: 30419

Re: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?

And since management and politics is all about "building consensus" on a large scale, as you might put it, psychopathic traits don't seem to be that much of a disadvantage. On the other hand: Try naming just one living, powerful politician with high levels of empathy... *shrug* Sniping at...
by Autolykos
Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:31 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?
Replies: 131
Views: 30419

Re: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?

Why would you wish for the greatest good for the greatest number without empathy? Presumably a total lack of empathy would mean not caring about the suffering of others at all, and therefore "good for others" wouldn't be a particularly desirable goal for such a person. Self interest does ...
by Autolykos
Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:18 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?
Replies: 131
Views: 30419

Re: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?

You seem to be claiming that 1) Psychopaths are better at solving trolley problems, and 2) Powerful politicians exhibit psychopathic behavior. Ah, I see. This is not what I'm claiming at all. I made two statements beside each other to illustrate the shortcomings of empathy, not the "superiorit...
by Autolykos
Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:05 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?
Replies: 131
Views: 30419

Re: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?

I think the point where we miss each other is that all of you seem to talk about person-to-person interactions. And I already agreed that empathy was nice to have in that case. Both as a lubricant and (I accept gmalivuk's point on this) as a failsafe. Logic alone won't prevent you from taking option...
by Autolykos
Sat Aug 29, 2015 7:37 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?
Replies: 131
Views: 30419

Re: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?

Empathy will reliably lead to worse decisions than math on any moderately important problem. What about the set of "moderately important problems" which involve building consensus and cooperation among human beings without pissing them off? Psychopaths are better at manipulating people th...
by Autolykos
Wed Aug 26, 2015 12:44 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?
Replies: 131
Views: 30419

Re: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?

Empathy the least of the things we don't understand that we would need to in order to build a hard AI. Maybe by the time we figure all of those things out, we'll have a pretty good handle on empathy as well. But why would we even want to, maybe except for very specialized tasks? Empathy will reliab...
by Autolykos
Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:53 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Should religion be illegal for children?
Replies: 289
Views: 66934

Re: Should religion be illegal for children?

How did it go down when critical thinking leads to the rejection of the catechism? Well, the class was called "catechism" but it wasn't limited to Luther's catechism itself. A lot of it (my favorite part!) was church history. I don't remember the specific assignments but an example might ...
by Autolykos
Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:56 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Attacking an idea vs attacking the person who holds it
Replies: 33
Views: 12673

Re: Attacking an idea vs attacking the person who holds it

Once this is widespread, the only result I expect is ad hominems becoming more complex and indirect. But if we can raise the threshold enough that the only people smart enough to parse the attacks that fly under the radar are also smart enough to discount them as off-topic, (or the only people smart...
by Autolykos
Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:17 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: What's so great about Tuesday?
Replies: 140
Views: 29182

Re: What's so great about Tuesday?

morriswalters wrote:If we are in to fantasy, why not a Ringworld? One space platform to rule them all.

Thinking in 2D while living in a 3D universe is so 50s. Living on the inside of a Dyson sphere is so much cooler :)
by Autolykos
Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:51 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Encode a message so it can't be read until a certain time?
Replies: 84
Views: 53449

Re: Encode a message so it can't be read until a certain tim

I just stumbled upon this:
http://blog.jaibot.com/thoughts-on-ethe ... -capsules/
Which seems to at least partially solve the problem (there are some pretty big ifs attached).
by Autolykos
Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:19 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: What's so great about Tuesday?
Replies: 140
Views: 29182

Re: Should humans be allowed to live forever?

What you propose is pretty damn close to the "Evil Genie" version of immortality (you'll age and get sick, but can never die, not even voluntarily). Was that intentional? I would, however take a version of (almost) immortality like "People will be immune to ageing, diseases and poison...
by Autolykos
Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:48 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Encode a message so it can't be read until a certain time?
Replies: 84
Views: 53449

Re: Encode a message so it can't be read until a certain tim

Probably the most feasible idea, because "single, really fast core" is already hitting the limits of what's physically possible (in a single clock cycle at 3 GHz, light only travels 10 cm, which is in the same order of magnitude as the size of the chip). Downside is that you can't just hav...
by Autolykos
Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:57 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Should religion be illegal for children?
Replies: 289
Views: 66934

Re: Should religion be illegal for children?

Causation is easier to prove in medicine than it is in psychology. And even still, smoking is legal in most developed countries despite the well-known harms, even smoking indoors in private spaces. If you wanted to make religious education analogous to smoking laws, you'd end up with something like...
by Autolykos
Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:26 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Should religion be illegal for children?
Replies: 289
Views: 66934

Re: Should religion be illegal for children?

I suppose the simple method of working out how best to discuss this would be an agree or disagree questionnaire to find our starting point. 1) Society has a duty to protect children from parents who physically abuse them leading to physical injury. 2) Society has a duty to protect children from par...
by Autolykos
Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:06 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Should religion be illegal for children?
Replies: 289
Views: 66934

Re: Should religion be illegal for children?

@Autolykos - I take it you're implying religion is a required course in German public schools, one that you get sent to different versions of based on religion? And that churches get tax money? Yes, and yes. Good science is justified independently of religious beliefs. Good science is sometimes inf...
by Autolykos
Wed Jun 10, 2015 5:30 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Should religion be illegal for children?
Replies: 289
Views: 66934

Re: Should religion be illegal for children?

I suppose it is a waste of time to point out that these things are all human institutions, so that you really can't blame God for all the chaos. Even if he existed. It isn't unreasonable to assume that had religion and God never been invented that we would have found other reasons to kill each othe...
by Autolykos
Wed Jun 10, 2015 5:22 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Should religion be illegal for children?
Replies: 289
Views: 66934

Re: Should religion be illegal for children?

Letting kids grow up religious bears good fruit (and sometimes bad). So does letting kids grow up atheist. So why not leave them alone? I concede that you can use religion as an effective tool in teaching morals, in the sense of Wittgenstein's Ladder. But that requires (as with all other "lies...
by Autolykos
Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:29 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Should religion be illegal for children?
Replies: 289
Views: 66934

Re: Should religion be illegal for children?

What I hear you saying is parents should not be able to choose what schools to send their children to. What I am saying is that schools teaching religion as if it were a fact should not be funded by the public. That's pretty much all one can (and should) hope for. Enuja already wrote about coming o...
by Autolykos
Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:25 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Should religion be illegal for children?
Replies: 289
Views: 66934

Re: Should religion be illegal for children?

I completely agree that it's impossible (and probably undesirable) to stop parents from raising their kids in their own religion when at home. But the least our society could do is to stop supporting it in public . - Religious organizations should not be allowed to target children in particular, the...
by Autolykos
Tue May 19, 2015 9:12 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Same-sex Marraige and it's effect on children
Replies: 29
Views: 10698

Re: Same-sex Marraige and it's effect on children

Your argument 100% wins the debate for having kids. But the usual discussion is about adopting them, which has stricter criteria. In most countries, singles can't adopt, period. And I'm not convinced that we should lower the standards for adoption all the way to the level at which we will not yet ta...
by Autolykos
Mon May 18, 2015 10:28 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Same-sex Marraige and it's effect on children
Replies: 29
Views: 10698

Re: Same-sex Marraige and it's effect on children

I might be a bit biased here because I'm poly at heart. Either two or more persons of any gender should be able to marry, with all the legal implications that currently has, or marriage should confer no legal advantages and not be the government's business at all . Strange combinations may or may no...
by Autolykos
Wed May 13, 2015 10:14 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Fixing police brutality
Replies: 107
Views: 37941

Re: Fixing police brutality

But, is the police department liable even if they clearly are able, but just don't care? The answer is, in the US, mostly no. Probably true in practice. Which is a large part of why I agree with you on drastically cutting down their rights to match their actual responsibility. We only seem to diffe...
by Autolykos
Wed May 13, 2015 9:59 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Segregated Bathrooms [Thread Split]
Replies: 165
Views: 39404

Re: Segregated Bathrooms [Thread Split]

Again, I doubt there is as much money savings as you'd think. You still need the same number of toilets per person, they're just arranged differently. Not quite. Average demand wouldn't change, of course. But the number of stalls isn't usually determined by average demand (otherwise, you'd have to ...
by Autolykos
Mon May 11, 2015 12:16 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Fixing police brutality
Replies: 107
Views: 37941

Re: Fixing police brutality

why does a policeman need greater latitude here than anyone else? If I use violence on someone as a result of my misunderstanding, well...yes, that puts me in a bad place in a trial. And it SHOULD. Same for police. While I do agree that police is currently afforded way too much leniency in this reg...
by Autolykos
Mon May 11, 2015 11:46 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Segregated Bathrooms [Thread Split]
Replies: 165
Views: 39404

Re: Segregated Bathrooms [Thread Split]

Why hasn't anybody proposed the obvious solution yet? Have one room with urinals, labeled "Urinals". Have another room with stalls, labeled "Stalls". Since the stalls are already separate, urinals only used by one sex, and nobody minds being watched while washing their hands, fur...
by Autolykos
Wed May 06, 2015 11:56 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Fixing police brutality
Replies: 107
Views: 37941

Re: Fixing police brutality

I'm not overly fond of "brain fart" as a legit excuse for violence. It doesn't excuse everything, of course (maybe not even anything). But there should be some discretion between honest mistakes made in the heat of the moment and police beating up innocents because they can. Like, the for...
by Autolykos
Sat May 02, 2015 4:19 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Fixing police brutality
Replies: 107
Views: 37941

Re: Fixing police brutality

What we actually observe is that police officers who have committed acts of violence almost alway say afterward they thought the victim posed an imminent threat (if they even say anything). Body cameras would make it possible to evaluate whether a reasonable person would actually think that. Body c...

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