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by Sabrar
Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:07 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | Game!

In case anyone still checks the thread :) Regarding setup : I love that OS provided an oversight of how much thought went into creating it. While I don't agree with the strength and weaknesses of every role it takes true dedication to plan with such fine detail and I really appreciate all the effort...
by Sabrar
Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:29 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread
Replies: 29744
Views: 1786974

Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Madge wrote:Real ideal situation would be if someone who doesn't want to play but wants to write/check a setup wants to "co-mod"?
Can do.
by Sabrar
Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:22 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | Game!

LaserGuy wrote:I'm amused that we have 200 more posts than you in our chat and only started in D3 ;)
Well, we didn't argue that much amongst ourselves about who is scum. :D
by Sabrar
Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:10 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | Game!

MVP is BoomFrog for that N0 check on moody which I advised against. No way I don't out myself in 5 days if I don't get that early town-cred. Shout-outs later tonight or tomorrow, didn't expect post-game so soon. Did YOLO link our scum-chat? If not here it is (hope I'm doing it right): https://www.qu...
by Sabrar
Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:46 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread
Replies: 29744
Views: 1786974

Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Crossover
Spoiler:
Hammer was worth it just for those reactions. :D
I'm pretty sure we've won and there's nothing Town can do to stop us but it will be a long 3+ days (depending on when YOLOSWAG will be available).
by Sabrar
Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:55 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

I see you all want the suspense. :D
Good night!
by Sabrar
Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:54 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Vote: mpolo
by Sabrar
Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:21 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Dinner's over. Will catch up while commuting then I'll be off for another hour or so.
by Sabrar
Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:46 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Evil George Washington wrote:Sabrar, thoughts on current events?

On team dinner, sorry.
by Sabrar
Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:25 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

There is no reason for Frozen to lie about his ability, as he cannot verify that post-mislynch. Untrue. If FF is not lynched and gains town-cred by lynching actual scum then scum can target him that night in the 'knowledge' that it won't be deflected. It was actually a pretty good play, similar to ...
by Sabrar
Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:31 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

You may be right. bessie's meta is known for extreme tunneling so I think it's still possible that she felt she didn't have any chance but to continue on her path (or otherwise she would have come under a lot of suspicion). She was the third on BoomFrog's wagon so it's not like she started it (plus ...
by Sabrar
Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:50 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

If bessie was converted N3 then she needed to remain consistent with her earlier content. She couldn't just drop her accusations suddenly.
by Sabrar
Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:06 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

4. Right, and that is why I believe you are scum with her. It shows you are interested in correcting her mistake rather then asking about it first to see why she may have done that. And why the hell would I do that in the thread, rather in our chat??? I corrected her because she's liable to make su...
by Sabrar
Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:27 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

1. Can you quote/link where you explained that to me or in general? Which part exactly? 2. It just shows that you went against the plan and it doesn't seem genuine. Why would I admit to it if it weren't true and it never had an effect anyway? It would have been much simpler for me to say that I fol...
by Sabrar
Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:07 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Evil George Washington wrote:It also took you until Deadline Day to post your reads.
Deadline has been constantly screwing me up, I should be doing 4 other things at work at this moment but I'm still taking the time to argue about a nonsense. I'm sorry if me being busy irl influences your read, I can't help that.
by Sabrar
Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:02 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Evil George Washington wrote:I think you and Madge are secondary scum.
Two scum-teams with neither of them having a kill plus an SK? Yeah, I'm not buying that.
by Sabrar
Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:01 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

3. That is another problem, D1 you stated that you would have Zen as neutral if you knew that was Zen's usual style, and you read his past games and still tried to push for him. I only pushed Zen afterwards because of her links to moody which she acknowledged. You're getting your timelines confused...
by Sabrar
Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:54 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Your case is so full of holes, it's ridiculous.
by Sabrar
Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:54 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

If you think mpolo is SK how do you reconcile it with me pushing moody D1 when I simply could have remained on jimbob?
by Sabrar
Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:49 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Also I find it funny how you completely dropped your case on Ryu just as LaserGuy predicted.
by Sabrar
Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:49 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Lol. You're making me refute the same points all over again. 1. I accept excuses that stem from irl. Those are not outs. 2. I read it, I didn't react to it. Already explained. 3. I constantly re-evaluated Zen. I still found her scummy. Zen also addressed that. 4. What you believe or don't believe do...
by Sabrar
Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:08 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

As mentioned here SK should be in {EGW, mpolo, plytho}. Remaining mafia is most likely BoomFrog or LaserGuy, with BoomFrog + Madge being my guess if 2 remain. I've never seen Madge ignoring the game to this extent before, some of it I can accept comes from irl plus frustration about the 'slot'-issue...
by Sabrar
Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:10 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Observation : each living player has been accused at least once of being scum D5. By sheer numbers alone at least one of these must be T vs T, possibly even more. Assumption : I'm hesitant to completely rule out the possibility but I think scum has no reason to bus today. If we have a 3-man scum te...
by Sabrar
Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:29 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Personally I wouldn't do it but I can imagine others being less risk-averse.
by Sabrar
Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:14 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

It could have been a calculated gambit because he hoped with so many players someone else would take the spot. E.g. LaserGuy was also willing. Or he could have thought that the bomb would kill off LG regardless of last voter.
Not saying there wasn't any risk involved but I think you're overstating it.
by Sabrar
Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:41 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Will see if I can organize my thoughts during the day.
by Sabrar
Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:11 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

BoomFrog wrote:I think you are far more analytical and methodical
Look at him constantly changing and adjusting his plans and then look at my plans in either X-Men or Pen Pal and tell me if you don't see the exact same methodical approach.
by Sabrar
Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:44 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

I too noticed the similarities between EGW's playstyle and mine and it's exactly what I would do in that situation.
by Sabrar
Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:24 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Vote: plytho Unvote I see no room in the setup for a third non-killing indie and if plytho is SK I doubt he has vote-related abilities so there's no reason anymore not to do this at this point. EGW not even acknowledging LaserGuy's case until prodded is beyond weird. I can't imagine a scenario wher...
by Sabrar
Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:03 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Evil George Washington wrote:Won't be able to post in depth, I have work in a few hours. Sabrar and Red Ryu, can I see a full reads list with reasoning?
Please react to LaserGuy's case on you first. There are a lot of things there that I agree with (some which I don't) and I find it very curious that you don't reply/mention it.
by Sabrar
Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:35 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

I'm leaning towards the "Red is a forger" theory since that fits with the fake mafia flip on Bessie theory. Have you reevaluated this in light of your wrong assumption about flip altering? The kill choices have been very odd all game which makes me hesitant to read into them too deeply. H...
by Sabrar
Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:19 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Setup speculation Assumptions: - bessie was recruited (shown before that she was Copped as Town N1, most likely wasn't GF) - we started either with 13 or 14 townies (12 is too few if scum has recruit, 15 does not explain the 2 teams unless 15-2-1-1-1) - there is another anti-town...
by Sabrar
Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:43 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

I have almost 500 unread messages at work. Probably won't be back until the evening, maybe just checking in once in a while.
by Sabrar
Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:40 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

I found Ryu scummy most of the game, his obsession with Madge got in the way of any real scum-hunting. As mentioned before he only left my PoE due to Doc-claim.
by Sabrar
Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:26 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

We assumed that scum had a lot of setup knowledge due to moody's Know-It-All and therefore false-claiming was less risky for them. However if we have 2 teams then this falls apart and false-claiming Doc as first from someone not on moody's team is a lot more risky. I do think we have 2 anti-town fac...
by Sabrar
Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:11 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

I don't see how you can - at the same time - argue both that we are strong and a scum-team of 2 being strong. There's just so many things that could go wrong for them accidentally due to bomb, deflection, jail, bus-driver, etc. Losing just 1 member due to ramdom chance cripples them.
by Sabrar
Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:49 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Top2 is LaserGuy > BoomFrog with Ryu in third place if I'm wrong about either. The main point is that I feel we would be way too weak without a Doctor but I haven't reevaluated this in the light of the new setup-possibilities. Detailed reads will have to wait. Do you think a 2-man scum-team with onl...
by Sabrar
Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:35 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

@EGW: I find Ryu's reaction null, reads to me like confused townie but it's the easiest to fake.

@BoomFrog: at the time of your initial reaction there was no confirmation of notes, nor have you put forward a note-forging scenario. In that light your reaction is subdued imo.
by Sabrar
Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:06 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

@ EGW : do you think scum!Ryu's note-forging is a primary or secondary ability? If it's the latter we could test it tonight. Additonal thought: if we agree that LaserGuy is scum then we could lynch him, have me absorb Judgement with both Ryu and mpolo protecting me, that gives us 2 lynches tomorrow....
by Sabrar
Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:08 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Crossover Mafia | Game!
Replies: 4268
Views: 51886

Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

@plytho: Thanks.

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