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by Trebla
Sat Nov 12, 2016 2:04 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Problem about free will
Replies: 126
Views: 14271

Re: Problem about free will

If "sentience" is not output from/part of the computer, what is it? ...snip irrelevant dictionary definition that dodged the question... Do you see a computer as a conscious entity and able to have thoughts and feelings? Yes. Absolutely. And if you don't see it as output from/an integral ...
by Trebla
Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:31 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Problem about free will
Replies: 126
Views: 14271

Re: Problem about free will

Trebla "Your little test is meaningless." No. It shows that one can give up his free will to answer as they normally would to answer as I ask. Take it and see that this is a truth. You have now taken the test to prove you do not possess free will, I guess we're done here? "And you al...
by Trebla
Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:30 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Problem about free will
Replies: 126
Views: 14271

Re: Problem about free will

Your little test is meaningless. You make a prediction that is inevitable (and if you were paying attention, you would notice posts that already started with the letter 'I') and then say when it's fulfilled, it proves something unrelated. How about this... you're now playing a game with me. The fact...
by Trebla
Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:58 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Problem about free will
Replies: 126
Views: 14271

Re: Problem about free will

I do not know if a bot could do so or not but if it did, it would still be ignoring it's programming or not depending on the complexity. I do not think you or I can say what a bot is capable of until we find a good one. Emphasis added by me... can you give me any explanation of how a computer can i...
by Trebla
Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:30 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Problem about free will
Replies: 126
Views: 14271

Re: Problem about free will

I have no supernatural belief and if you saw a claim of such then you do not read well. Get the quote where I make such a claim and I will help your vision. I gave you the quote where you claimed supernatural belief... I'll give it to you again. we can see our brains as a biological computer plus s...
by Trebla
Fri Nov 11, 2016 2:52 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Problem about free will
Replies: 126
Views: 14271

Re: Problem about free will

Regardless of who or what the entity is, if it shows will and motion or decision, and it will or it will likely die, we are forced to say that it is his free will causing the motion, unless we can point to some other entity that is manipulating it. This explanation applies to SO MANY THINGS that we...
by Trebla
Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:26 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Problem about free will
Replies: 126
Views: 14271

Re: Problem about free will

You would be whoever you think you are. If you do not know who you are then seek Gnosis. Trivially false... if I think I'm the first (best, strongest, biggest, etc etc etc) man alive, this does not make me that person. Does your computer have "free will"? Can it make choices based on what...
by Trebla
Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:30 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: 2016 US Presidential Election
Replies: 8482
Views: 658090

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

The BBC had an article on low voter turnout in the US. They interviewed one young woman who said she wasn't voting because she didn't know enough about the candidates' positions, rather than learning more about them... I would be mortified giving an answer like that. What a stupidly lazy route to t...
by Trebla
Thu Oct 20, 2016 1:55 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: 2016 US Presidential Election
Replies: 8482
Views: 658090

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

What Gore did is fundamentally different though. He never questioned the legitimacy of the process. He appealed the process, but that appeal was also within the rules of the process itself. And he accepted the results (admittedly though, many democrats seem to think he shouldn't have. So it's not j...
by Trebla
Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:44 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: 2016 US Presidential Election
Replies: 8482
Views: 658090

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

The first paragraph of your quote sucks. I hate people who say they know and won't say how they know. I know things too and I'm not telling you how I know, but I know things. Yeah. I know. It is pretty reminiscent of... just about every conspiracy DT trots out there: "I've got investigators, a...
by Trebla
Fri Sep 16, 2016 3:31 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 5315
Views: 707854

Re: Police misbehavior thread

gmalivuk wrote:So about those cops...


I think most cops will use 'G' as a standalone unit. And when they use 'k' they're usually talking about kilograms of some substance or another.

Oh wait, that's not what you meant. :lol:
by Trebla
Tue Aug 23, 2016 2:51 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Problem about free will
Replies: 126
Views: 14271

Re: Problem about free will

Analysis requires the brain, not the legs; either you did not know that or I do not understand your question. The latter is much more likely to be true than the former. Therefor, I do not understand what you are saying. Can you please explain your point again so that I do understand? Analysis requi...
by Trebla
Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:48 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future
Replies: 1494
Views: 199998

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Y'know, I think about community driverless cars, then I think about all the crap in the backseat of my car (jackets, work gloves, rain gear, misc garbage), the crap in the backseat of my roommate's car (hard hat, tools, jacket, high-vis vest, misc garbage), and the crap in my ex-girlfriend's car (b...
by Trebla
Thu Aug 11, 2016 12:27 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: 2016 US Presidential Election
Replies: 8482
Views: 658090

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

That being said... it's one thing to worry about some of the bullshit he's throwing out about policy; a lot of it's pretty fucked up. But all of this worry over every random bit of crap that he says, and all this parsing and examination, it's just getting silly. But new policy BS doesn't change fre...
by Trebla
Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:45 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future
Replies: 1494
Views: 199998

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

IBM's Watson AI saved a woman from leukemia IBM's Watson has done everything from winning at Jeopardy to cooking exotic meals, but it appears to have accomplished its greatest feat yet: saving a life. University of Tokyo doctors report that the artificial intelligence diagnosed a 60-year-old woman'...
by Trebla
Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:44 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: 2016 US Presidential Election
Replies: 8482
Views: 658090

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

The most important thing I noticed in Trump's comments was that he said "that Khan didn't have the right to claim in front of millions, that I did not read the constitution". Yes, he does. Technically it could be slander on the assumption that it's both false and damages Trump's reputatio...
by Trebla
Mon Aug 01, 2016 3:36 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Problem about free will
Replies: 126
Views: 14271

Re: Problem about free will

Zohar: That's exactly how I see free will too: I don't have free will - instead, I am forced to choose to do that which seems best to me. Fortunately, that's exactly what I'd choose to do if I did have real free will. So tis all good... While I'm inclined to agree, it has been pointed out to me (by...
by Trebla
Mon Aug 01, 2016 1:27 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: 2016 US Presidential Election
Replies: 8482
Views: 658090

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

The Paradox of Voting and Altruism Theory of Voting are interesting concepts that a lot of people in this thread recently seem to be flirting with. Whether through familiarity with the concepts or just a common sense approach that leads them to the same conclusion, I don't know. Interesting (and fai...
by Trebla
Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:03 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: First Tesla Autopilot Death
Replies: 304
Views: 32571

Re: First Tesla Autopilot Death

Doesn't really matter. Even if the Telsa was going much slower, the truck wouldn't have cleared the intersection in time. Just some back of the envelope calculation here... A quick Google search suggests loaded 18 wheeler can go from 0 to 60 in about 2 minutes. That works out to an average accelera...
by Trebla
Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:57 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: First Tesla Autopilot Death
Replies: 304
Views: 32571

Re: First Tesla Autopilot Death

Those pictures make it pretty clear that this was actually the truck driver's fault. The Tesla clearly had right of way. The truck should never should have attempted to cross that intersection when the road wasn't clear. The Tesla was going 74 in a 65 zone, so over the speed limit, but not so much ...
by Trebla
Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:21 pm UTC
Forum: Logic Puzzles
Topic: Two puzzles for the price of 1!
Replies: 17
Views: 4265

Re: Two puzzles for the price of 1!

If sore and saw don't work, then you can just look at the box. You see what you saw. You take the saw and cut the float in half. etc. Alternatively, push yourself around the box until you wear yourself out. Pretty much your second solution there. If you can't break the box, the only way to escape w...
by Trebla
Fri May 06, 2016 12:47 pm UTC
Forum: Mathematics
Topic: A rectangle with rounded edges is not an oval
Replies: 22
Views: 11802

Re: A rectangle with rounded edges is not an oval

I can just picture it... there she is, standing alone in some park, he walks up to her and says "You were right." "I was... what?" she says, reaching tentatively for something in her purse. "The desks. They were in fact in the shape of an oval." "The... desks... w...
by Trebla
Tue Mar 29, 2016 4:45 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future
Replies: 1494
Views: 199998

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Frankly, I'm stunned at how well the TayBot does natural language processing. It looks to be far more competent than any chatbot I've looked at before. That's just your reminder that we're living in the future... which is apparently full of racist people AND machines. While it's a pretty amazing ad...
by Trebla
Mon Mar 28, 2016 3:00 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future
Replies: 1494
Views: 199998

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Microsoft should have programmed a response for negative stimuli. Here is an easy example of what they could have done: If sentence contains ("hate" or "evil" or "kill") and ("Jew" or "Jews" or "Nazi" or Nazis"), then respond ("L...
by Trebla
Tue Mar 22, 2016 1:38 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future
Replies: 1494
Views: 199998

Re: The wool To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

So, if a human is playing a game on a computer, does that mean the computer always wins, since it is the computer who draws the pieces? Poor humanity, turns out we never beat (or even played?) the A.I. at StarCraft or Counter Strike after all... we were just giving it advice and it was making the m...
by Trebla
Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:04 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Ethics of Suicidal Action
Replies: 12
Views: 5238

Re: Ethics of Suicidal Action

"I value my life because I have fun." "Others value my life because I help them have fun." The latter may seem a bit more objective, but it is still rooted in the subjective sense of having fun (whatever that it taken to mean). And the statement "I'm not worth anything"...
by Trebla
Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:34 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 5315
Views: 707854

Re: Police misbehavior thread

They also get to schedule an election. One time, I took a shortcut through a church and I found out they were having a local election. Nobody in the city knew except for the party insiders, who handily won in a landslide. Am I the only one who's curious what type of shortcut takes you through a chu...
by Trebla
Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:05 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Should religion be illegal for children?
Replies: 289
Views: 52089

Re: Should religion be illegal for children?

"Morality" is more or less a statement about the kind of world we want to live in. "Objective morality" is nonsense, but there is another thread for that. This makes the most sense to me... "objectively moral" sounds as fallacious as "objectively funny." Ther...
by Trebla
Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:35 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Creationism sub-thread
Replies: 354
Views: 40847

Re: Creationism sub-thread

Parents having any direct say in their individual children's curriculum is entirely unacceptable to me. And I don't really much care what it is you intend to shield children's malleable young minds from, that is also an unacceptably broken model of what education is meant to do (and synonymous to m...
by Trebla
Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:48 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Creationism sub-thread
Replies: 354
Views: 40847

Re: Creationism sub-thread

If belief in god always triumphed over experience with science, science would not now exist. It doesn't really bear on the discussion, but it's fun to note that science (as the method we know today focusing on verifiable results) barely does exist (in terms of human history)...
by Trebla
Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:39 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Ethics of AdBlock
Replies: 639
Views: 86879

Re: Ethics of AdBlock

One could certainly argue that the current state of the music industry is a correction (like the housing market after the bubble) from content being locked behind what was essentially monopolies in the distribution chain. Music was over-priced artificially with massive profits going to the labels. ...
by Trebla
Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:06 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Ethics of AdBlock
Replies: 639
Views: 86879

Re: Ethics of AdBlock

Uh, the music industry never recovered from the advent of file sharing and iTunes. Revenues have been steadily falling for the past 15 years and are apparently down over 60% in inflation adjusted dollars since 2000 and revenues are at their lowest point since the 70s. That said, yes, if you believe...
by Trebla
Tue Aug 25, 2015 3:32 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?
Replies: 131
Views: 24100

Re: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?

Fallible or not, I don't want to be removed from the equation, and don't understand those that do. I would dispute this statement... this is an argument of scope. There are all sorts of "menial" tasks that you want to be removed from... keeping your food cold in the fridge, injecting fuel...
by Trebla
Fri Aug 21, 2015 6:21 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?
Replies: 131
Views: 24100

Re: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?

Fallible or not, I don't want to be removed from the equation, and don't understand those that do. I would dispute this statement... this is an argument of scope. There are all sorts of "menial" tasks that you want to be removed from... keeping your food cold in the fridge, injecting fuel...
by Trebla
Fri Aug 21, 2015 5:54 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?
Replies: 131
Views: 24100

Re: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?

It's the same reasons we wouldn't want to be ruled by a "benevolent dictator". At least for me. I'm not sure why "robots running things" is being equated to "unquestioned authority"... I wouldn't want a human running things like a benevolent dictator either... but I'm ...
by Trebla
Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:36 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?
Replies: 131
Views: 24100

Re: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?

Tyndmyr wrote:
Trebla wrote: Replacing humanity with robots is not a goal anyone (as far as I know) is pursuing...


*shrug* I don't know why not.


That's probably our eventual end-state... but I don't think people are consciously pursuing in a mad-scientist kind of way.
by Trebla
Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:10 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?
Replies: 131
Views: 24100

Re: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?

Isn't that EXACTLY what we do when raising children? No. Not EXACTLY. And not even really close. First, raising children is time tested for hundreds of thousands of years. Billions of years if you go back to the first organisms that chose to have sex (FSVO "chose"). Toolmaking goes back n...
by Trebla
Wed Aug 19, 2015 7:44 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?
Replies: 131
Views: 24100

Re: Won't advanced AI inherit humanity's social flaws?

Robots are good when you are the master. However, we are actively trying to make them so good that they no longer need a master, expecting that they will still serve us. If they don't, it's Bad for one reason, and if they do, it's Bad for another. Isn't that EXACTLY what we do when raising children...
by Trebla
Tue Aug 04, 2015 3:23 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: A "Lukewarmer's" thoughts on climate change
Replies: 131
Views: 22412

Re: A "Lukewarmer's" thoughts on climate change

Great, so what are we building instead? Nukes? No? Shit, this is just going to increase the cost of power, isn't it, which'll mostly be felt by the poor. In the states that don't utterly ignore it, of course. Weeee. I don't know if that's necessarily true. The Clean Power Act provides incentives fo...
by Trebla
Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:02 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Disparate Impact and Fair Housing Act (1968)
Replies: 43
Views: 12544

Re: Disparate Impact and Fair Housing Act (1968)

Simply put, I don't understand the cultural background that explains these two laws, and when transplanted to my own experience, they appear absolutely ridiculous and unworkable (not to mention unenforceable). They're very difficult to enforce, and enforcement usually (seems) to only happen when so...

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