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by elasto
Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:22 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 13093

Re: Libertarianism

A problem easily fixed by not letting them take it with them when they leave. Especially if we're talking about real wealth, like land. Want to bail on the country, you forfeit the part of the country you supposedly owned; and we can just throw the proceeds from the sale of that back into the basic...
by elasto
Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:02 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 13093

Re: Libertarianism

I could add more widgets to my example but won't that just obfuscate things? Ok, so let's add one new kind of widget: - WidgetXs are valued at $1 by the market - LabourerX charges $10 to turn WidgetXs into SuperWidgetXs, and takes 1 hour to do so - SuperWidgetXs are valued at $11.1 by the market The...
by elasto
Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:46 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 13093

Re: Libertarianism

No. It means that their labor is more valuable. If you have used extremely valuable labor, and only turned a minor profit, then you have not used it very productively. Using expensive things does not mean that one is being more efficient. Very little value has been added. I'm sure I could go away a...
by elasto
Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:25 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 13093

Re: Libertarianism

"What companies can get away with" is only a problem with private property ownership. The point of libertarian socialism is that the customers and workers have control over the business and decide for themselves what they want. And what if they decide they want spying? I have given one ex...
by elasto
Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:49 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 13093

Re: Libertarianism

You misspelled it twice in a row, and I've let it slide when you've misspelled it in the past. After a while, it gets annoying. Apologies then. But chill, man! You're using a lot of emotive and aggressive language in this thread, and, for what? It's not like anything we say here will change anythin...
by elasto
Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:36 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 13093

Re: Libertarianism

Could you at least make an effort to spell my name correctly? Are you just trolling? I've replied to many of your posts with the correct spelling. Obviously it was a typo. I've had many many many debates with him; he has never agreed that any negative feature of capitalism is a problem. Perhaps you...
by elasto
Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:15 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 13093

Re: Libertarianism

elasto, you are rationalizing why all the spying is good [...] But yes, let's just assume the markets always do what's best no matter what, and just dismiss the negatives as necessary for the greater good. I don't think the negatives are necessary for the greater good. Did you miss the part where I...
by elasto
Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:11 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 13093

Re: Libertarianism

Thresh, you realise this is ucim you are talking to, right? He's more critical than most of the failings of corporatism, capitalism and the current political system. Don't assume his criticism of (your approach to) libertarianism means he's not critical of the way things operate currently. It merely...
by elasto
Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:05 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 13093

Re: Libertarianism

So, you believe there exists an all-knowing individual who is capable of making better decisions about standards for veganism than the Vegan Farming Association, as well as every other aspect of the economy? That sounds quite insane. You seem to have a really odd view of how government does and sho...
by elasto
Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:57 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 13093

Re: Libertarianism

<Accidental double post>
by elasto
Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:04 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 13093

Re: Libertarianism

Do you read all your government regulations? So, obviously, you can't have democratic government because then you would just have to vote on every little thing. I don't have democratic government and nor do you. I have representative government. That means I vote for the person I think best capable...
by elasto
Sun Jul 22, 2018 3:18 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 13093

Re: Libertarianism

So do you read all your software licence agreements? I don't and I work in the industry. Most people are exhausted after a day in the office followed by taking care of the kids. Most don't even have the time or energy to educate themselves on basic but vital things like taking care of their finances...
by elasto
Sun Jul 22, 2018 2:54 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 13093

Re: Libertarianism

In the same way, you might have an organization called the "Vegan Farming Association", in which people pay $100 to become a member so they can vote on what rules they believe are best for vegan farming. Anyone can adhere to the standards of the Vegan Farming Association, and if they say ...
by elasto
Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:25 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 13093

Re: Libertarianism

Just as an example, in '84, a Summitville Consolidated Mining Company started a mining operation in Colorado. They mined there for 8 years, creating a huge volume of contaminated water, some of which made its way into local rivers. In '91, the company declared bankruptcy, leaving the government wit...
by elasto
Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:22 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Worldwide CO2 shortage
Replies: 44
Views: 1942

Re: European CO2 shortage

The originally referenced article only talks about a shortage in the UK and mainland Europe. Generating CO 2 in other continents won't be very helpful. If Trump's wall is high and impervious enough to prevent Murican CO2 from drifting into Europe then colour me impressed! (Sorry, not that humorous ...
by elasto
Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:06 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 13093

Re: Libertarianism

But LLC doesn't get rid of the risk, it just dumps it on the public. If your business does a billion dollars in damages, but only has assets of 100 million, that means that the public is on the hook for the remainder of the cost, even if the people who own the corporation actually have the assets t...
by elasto
Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:30 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Worldwide CO2 shortage
Replies: 44
Views: 1942

Re: Worldwide CO2 shortage

gd1 wrote:Global CO2 shortage eh? Clearly we all just need to breathe harder.

Or cut down some trees. Which would probably make us breathe hard. A double win!
by elasto
Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:42 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: In other news... (humorous news items)
Replies: 14723
Views: 2252353

Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

At the heart of the European Commission’s case was the question of whether Google had abused its power ... While Google gives Android away to handset makers, those companies must effectively pre-install 11 Google apps on their devices, giving Google’s products far greater reach and more users to cl...
by elasto
Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:24 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 13093

Re: Libertarianism

Does anyone else here listen to Joe Rogan podcasts? He does longform chats - frequently over 3 hours - with interesting people. He's thoughtful, insightful and wonderfully self-deprecating - not typically a trait associated with US celebrities and very appealing to Brit sensibilities :D Anyhow, he h...
by elasto
Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:18 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 2019: "An Apple for a Dollar"
Replies: 80
Views: 3676

Re: 2019: "An Apple for a Dollar"

For a real laugh, try this ... get 5-10 (US) $2 bills from the bank. Nice new crisp ones if possible. Then use a small amount of "glue stick" or whatever to join them at a corner in a neat stack. Next time you check out at a fast food joint, pull this unfolded outa your pocket and peel of...
by elasto
Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:08 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: In other news... (humorous news items)
Replies: 14723
Views: 2252353

Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

A London Underground station has been temporarily named after England's football manager. Southgate Tube station was rebranded Gareth Southgate station from Monday morning for 48 hours, after the squad finished fourth in the World Cup. It was England's best result since 1990 when they also lost in ...
by elasto
Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:17 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: In other news... (humorous news items)
Replies: 14723
Views: 2252353

Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

I also love* how Trump makes no attempt to hide his naked egotism - how his constant craving for approval entirely colours his view of people: Trump defended that he has praised Boris Johnson, who just this week resigned from May's cabinet in protest of her "soft" Brexit plan: "I said...
by elasto
Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:36 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6179
Views: 468000

Re: Trump presidency

That makes ucim's point too: Power is a form of currency in its own right - whereby in some arenas everyone has the same amount of power (one person one vote) whereas in others a few exercise far more power. And while power and money usually correlate it does not have to be that way. It's the rich's...
by elasto
Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:31 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6179
Views: 468000

Re: Trump presidency

Not that this has much to do with the rest of the discussion here, but there can be objective measurements of things that differ between people. For a trivial example, there isn't a singular objective human height, but every human has some objective height. Likewise, there may not be a singular obj...
by elasto
Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:10 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: British EU referendum in June [update: Leave wins 52% - 48%, politics ensue]
Replies: 1161
Views: 158571

Re: British EU referendum in June [update: Leave wins 52% - 48%, politics ensue]

Well, yes, the Remain side spelled that out loud and clear prior to the vote. Far from 'losing sovereignty' by being part of the European legislature we played a major part in shaping it, with opt-outs on most of the stuff we didn't like. We were not the red-headed step-child of Europe we were the s...
by elasto
Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:08 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Darker Side of the News
Replies: 3995
Views: 512337

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Dark or just absurd, you decide... PayPal wrote to a woman who had died of cancer saying her death had breached its rules and that it might take legal action as a consequence. The firm has since acknowledged that the letter was "insensitive", apologised to her widower, and begun an inquiry...
by elasto
Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:54 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: British EU referendum in June [update: Leave wins 52% - 48%, politics ensue]
Replies: 1161
Views: 158571

Re: British EU referendum in June [update: Leave wins 52% - 48%, politics ensue]

Why do journalists imply that the UK government is going to walk back brexit? Merely knowing they opposed The brexit vote without context is misleading. What does 'walk back Brexit' even mean? Everyone involved has publicly committed to Brexit happening, it's just that noone has defined what Brexit...
by elasto
Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:18 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 13093

Re: Libertarianism

The system of university funding would be a prime example of why market forces are a terrible idea. In theory it causes students to take ownership of their education and choose a career that maximises earning potential in order to pay off the loan, as well as choose a university that represents valu...
by elasto
Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:23 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: British EU referendum in June [update: Leave wins 52% - 48%, politics ensue]
Replies: 1161
Views: 158571

Re: British EU referendum in June [update: Leave wins 52% - 48%, politics ensue]

Backing up Mutex's supposition: The BBC's political editor Laura Kuenssberg said Monday's resignations might actually turn out to be good news for the PM, leaving her with a more pliable and supportive cabinet, while her future could depend on how Brussels reacts to her Brexit proposals. Jeremy Hunt...
by elasto
Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:30 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: British EU referendum in June [update: Leave wins 52% - 48%, politics ensue]
Replies: 1161
Views: 158571

Re: British EU referendum in June [update: Leave wins 52% - 48%, politics ensue]

There's something about politics I don't understand, and that's why Davis and Johnson resigning is putting pressure on May. They were two of her fiercest critics, surely them removing themselves from power is good for May. If she survives, it probably will leave her stronger. She may not survive th...
by elasto
Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:58 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 13093

Re: Libertarianism

This is off topic, but a great lecturer is not the same thing as a great teacher. A great lecturer can in fact be a quite poor one. Assuming you mean someone great at giving lectures isn't always good in small groups with significant back-and-forth discussion, sure, I can agree with that. It's wort...
by elasto
Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:46 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 13093

Re: Libertarianism

The current system is not cheap...it's been guzzling down ever more money consistently for decades, but without improved results. Even if you don't care much for kids, and care only about cost efficiency, the current system is pretty rough. ... This seems to be true for the VA, which provides parti...
by elasto
Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:27 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 13093

Re: Libertarianism

I think we'd all agree that there's some research the government should definitely fund since no one company ever would - such as 'how much can CO2 levels rise worldwide before it risks our survival as a species?' - and some research the government definitely should not - such as 'what's the optimal...
by elasto
Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:32 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 13093

Re: Libertarianism

So we leave the research into the health effects of smoking to the tobacco industry? That doesn't seem like a great idea. To be any good research needs to be independent. If we leave it to the industry only the results they want are going to see the light of day and anything negative will be buried...
by elasto
Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:13 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 13093

Re: Libertarianism

They are effectively indirectly elected, given that most of the administration leadership positions change hands when the presidency does. Sentiment about what policies will be enacted and enforced is a major part of presidential politics. The idea that cabinet positions and the like are staffed on...
by elasto
Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:19 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6179
Views: 468000

Re: Trump presidency

When Obama was elected there was a strong feeling amongst many that the Dems could sweep every part of government - and therefore the SC too - and the Reps might be out for at least a generation.

And look how that turned out...
by elasto
Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:27 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Everything is racism
Replies: 27
Views: 1864

Re: Everything is racism

I think ucim is right: 'Everything is tribalism' is more of a truism than 'everything is racism'. Moreover, the capacity for people to split themselves into smaller and smaller tribes is boundless. No matter how many things people have in common, people will always define themselves by their differe...
by elasto
Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:28 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 2002: "LeBron James and Stephen Curry"
Replies: 43
Views: 4305

Re: 2002: "LeBron James and Stephen Curry"

Are you arguing that the idea of a limited Federal Government is solely the result of caving to southern slave owners and that Real freedom can only be found in a Strong Central Government that can assume any power it deems necessary? Real freedom can only exist when a strong government defends ind...
by elasto
Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:03 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future
Replies: 1798
Views: 285949

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

There's (predictably) already porn being created using this technology, some of which is free and open source. Yes, with a little tech savvy you can put your favourite celebrity's head onto any porn clip you desire. Fakenews will follow if it hasn't already. Imagine a video of a politician doing dru...
by elasto
Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:05 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Worldwide CO2 shortage
Replies: 44
Views: 1942

Re: Worldwide CO2 shortage

TIL that CO2 is used to suffocate animals into unconsciousness; If you've ever tried to hold your breath you'll know how immensely painful and stressful that experience becomes. That pain/panic response is directly triggered by rising levels of CO2 in the blood (not falling levels of oxygen for whic...

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