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Vote: dotproduct

Going to be gone when the lynch occurs, and I'm not going to vote for myself. Sorry.

I'm Trooper Gray.
Obviously, someone is lying at this point. I have no idea who.

So I guess that leaves Madden as FAOT?

Hey, sorry about not posting.

Dunno about a massclaim: I don't have much experience in these situations so if you older players wish to go on with it, I don't mind. False-claiming would be harder for scum than in other games (limited roles), so it would work better.

Sorry about that, cjdrum. Didn't realize the circumstances.
I'm going to bring up some points about this whole Weeks/FAOT discussion just to be fair.

ForAllOfThis wrote:

Weeks wrote:1) He initiated the whole argument that because we didn't vote for m_p and argued against him, we were scummy. He says he has evidence because GoP did this and he turned out scum. Yet weiyaoli did this too, and he turned out town! This is why I said, earlier, that he was exaggerating his point.
2) He fucking backed off when he weiyaoli was found town, but didn't hesitate to use the same flawed argument again to attack me.
3) He says I made the whole thing into a big argument, which is blatant lies (first three posters to disagree and argue with FOAT: not me).

It doesn't take a genius to work out that there must be town players who didn't vote for m_p. All I said was that not-voting should be a considered factor on who we decide to vote. Wei did seem to agree that not voting for m_p so that someone else could be lynched was scummy, the same argument that you're mainly voting me for. I haven't backed off from anything. Order is irrelevant, you're the one who made it into such a big deal and seem to think that I'm suggesting everyone who didn't vote must be scum. This is clearly impossible, and twisting the argument I made into something else. If you disagreed with me so much and thought genuinely that I was scum, why did you follow my vote?

Bolded mine. Weeks' post about the subject was actually quite near the end of the whole discussion, as I looked at it. Here's your response to someone else, indicating it may have been brought up before...

FAOT wrote:

PhoenixEnigma wrote:I am also very distrustful of the VZ/FOAT position of suspecting people who didn't vote yesterday. Advocating that the townie thing to do would have been to (needlessly and knowingly) place oneself in a place to be suspected, creating wine and, arguably, increasing the odds of town being lynched day 2 is...well, wtf inducing, really. If I could vote for two people, I'd vote for both of them. As I can't, and don't really believe in FoS'ing...gah...scerw it, I'm not going to vote right now, because it's going to force me to come back and make another post in order to vote, and I need the motivation.

Yes because ignoring day one information is a townie thing to do? Whilst we're at it why don't we just ignore all the posts that were made on day one as well?

If you had read my posts you'd realise that I wasn't going "Gee Willikers you didn't vote for scum you MUST all be scum!!!" because that would be stupid. However, using it as evidence alongside how people were acting yesterday and today and you'll realise there is a pretty solid case for suspicion towards some individuals. You'll notice I haven't singled out anyone for not voting and based that on the sole reason for my suspicion.

It seems like lots of people were feeling like that you were implying that people who didn't vote=scum, and brought it up. Weeks did bring it up in a huge post, though, so maybe left an impression. And that post he made? It mostly focused on your accusations about him and his inaction over more_people, and ended with a smallish talk about his view on the votal thing. Also, I'm not sure what the importance of the underlined section (about wei) is, considering that it seems to be helping Weeks, which is something you might not approve of at this point...

FAOT wrote:

Weeks wrote:4) He himself just said at the beginning of the day that he was shocked about Trooper White. Don't you get it? Once you mentioned that you were X Z instead of X Y, it became exceedingly easy for scum to false claim Trooper [color], vanilla town. It already was suspicious that wei did it. This is also why I reconsidered you not being Trooper [color]. (I have not watched the movie. I don't know how likely it is for another char to be slightly altered this way, but I still considered it, from mere ignorance.) FOAT, again, doesn't hesitate to use this against me.

Except clearly Cj mentioned parallels before Trooper White was shown to be a role. This argument is meaningless given that fact.

If you want to be suspicious of Weeks, I think this is the best thing to base it off. cjdrum hinted waaaay back in D1 of having a role with a name similar to, but not exactly the same, as a character in the movie. That was a big discussion. Wei brought it up to suppport his claim. Claim turned out to be right, possibility of cjdrum being vanilla town increases.
Also because cjdrum voted for more_people and kept his vote there. If it was a vote, but then pulled out later or attempted to undo damage, it would be different, but cjdrum kept the position he had. Scum probably wouldn't have done that so early in the game.

So I guess both have been blowing things up a bit. If you guys want to keep your votes on Weeks for the cjdrum vote, don't see anything wrong with that.

...I would say you just attempted to use a replacement as a shield from criticism, but that wouldn't be right coming from me.

Umm...this whole Weeks argument? It seems like people are jumping on him quickly from exaggeration. I am willing to throw up an analysis of stuff if needed: I'm going to eat right.

Weeks wrote:4. Two days later appears and says mpolo doesn't look too good for jumping on cjdrum. Then says mpolo is more likely to be town because of the town/scum ratio. (o_O)

Actually, I was talking about cjdrum most likely being townie since his role name wasn't exactly one from the movie. Which seems to be kind of backed up by the fact that wei was townie and had a name similar to one in the movie (am I getting that right?).

cjdrum: It's okay about being flavour-blind, but you could have put in your own thoughts about the whole not voting D1 or on people's scummy behavior in general. Yesterday was pretty heavy in those two fields. And the fact that you pretty much had no posts doesn't seem to help. Not having a restriction yesterday doesn't help your case much.

So try to be more involved, 'kay?

Zid wrote:The alarming thing is Chandani's response to the heat being turned up with a vote by saying she's thinking about requesting a replacement. In my eyes a replacement is something you just do. Thinking about it out loud just seems to serve as a delay tactic to wait for other things to gain more attention. This combined with my agreement of Mav's reasoning makes me believe Chandani is a better lynch candidate at this stage.

The reason I posted it is, well, because I'm weird and don't trust my own thoughts. I wasn't sure if the replacement thing was something I was going to do because of the heat or because I had no time. If it was for the former, it's for the wrong reasons, plus it's mean for the replacement who comes in, and I shouldn't do that.
Currently I'm thinking I was going to use it as an escape tactic, so I'm not going to get replaced.

weiyaoli wrote:EBWOP:

I realize Chandani also included a question for me in that post, I'm just a little suspicious that was the only content she added in that post.

The reason I asked that question was because that was the only reason I was voting for you. I seriously thought that you considered cjdrum scummy at that point. With the answer to that question, I was willing to change my voting position.

As for the other part of my old post... I put that in because Mav asked a question about what advantage she and mpolo (get it now?) would have had for voting early. It was addressed to you, so sorry about that, but I thought I might as well give it a whirl.

Speaking of which, I don't see that you answered that question, either.

Mavketl wrote:weiyaoli: name one advantage of mpolo and me voting for more_people and ending D1 that way. I don't see any. So yes, on the off chance that we'd get some interesting information and/or a really scummy action/person, I'd be happy to not vote.

So I'm sorry that I agree with Mav from going from a question from my own point of view, and I'm sorry for lack of content (even when I try). I'm going to point at cjdrum now and say he hasn't really posted anything at all this day, so maybe look at him?

Ninja'd: hmmm...good point. I like the fact you agreed with my point posted earlier in the game.
But maybe cjdrum should post something?

So, wei: do you now think that cjdrum is still scummy looking?
If so, why?

I guess the only advantage for ending the day early is that we didn't have to wait until the next day started? The only reasons one reaches a hard lynch is either because it's required or because they believe the person is scummy enough. Mav apparently didn't believe more_people was scummy enough, and neither did mpolo. They thought it was trolling (which would be anti-town). So they left it as it was, since a lynch was going to happen. Am I right?

Right now I'm currently considering getting replaced because of my lack of involvement.
Sorry about that, Mav.

The only person who really is bugging me is wei, solely because of the really weak reason of FOS cjdrum at the beginning of the day. Seriously, you FOSed him because the person he voted for died?

I'm not getting the whole voting/not voting discussion on the thread, maybe because I go on another forum where majority lynching is the norm, and bandwagoning is not looked upon as strictly as it is here. If people weren't suspicious enough of more_people, and they didn't have to vote to cause a lynch, I don't see anything wrong of it. If they had another suspicious person they wanted to lynch, they should have pushed for that person over more_people. If they didn't have any suspicion at the time, they didn't have to vote, since if there was enough votes to provide a lynch, it's not needed. Mind you, they should have stated that then to prevent misunderstandings, but I guess there's not much to do now.

And I think those are the major points currently being discussed.

Other points: cjdrum is being quiet today. At least, more than yesterday?
...And that's all I got for now. I'm going to look at other people more in detail.

I might as well vote for now.
Vote: Weiyaoli
For the fail FOS.

Zid,I hope there isn't anything important to understand under that spoiler.

Now I can think! YAY!

Wei: I don't think that your FOS has much to it. I doubt that cjdrum would be able to convince his scummates to kill off mpolo because of his one vote. Unless you're telling me that cjdrum has a separate kill that he was able to use. Which doesn't make that much sense.

Also, it's possible that mpolo wasn't in the nightchat and thus the kill was total luck. I kind of think that's unlikely, though, just percentage wise.

Got to go.

I had a post, but I lost it.

Zid, I don't find anything wrong with your spacing.
I guess there's a vig out there, since a SK wouldn't fit the theme?

I'm tired, and I'm going somewhere for a test. Sadly, my brain isn't working, so I can't post anything more. (This doesn't bode well for the test....)
So it won't surprise you that the current discussion over Mav is confusing me.

I can't do anything more. Loud voices are giving me a headache (and no, it's not that).

..Then ignore what I said.

Twenty minutes to deadline...
Where are you, people who haven't voted? We kind of need you know.

@FAOT: It's possible that the remark was totally innocent. On a different forum I go on, someone made a remark on their previous style, which I thought was a slipup referring to that round, but turned out in the end that they were innocent. So more_people could just be saying that...nobody knows his playing style as scum? Yeah, that doesn't really help. (Though to be fair, more_people's comment was in reference to cjdrum stating he knew more_people's scum habits. But again, if no one knows how you play as scum, and you're acting in what people usually consider a scum action, then why shouldn't they be suspicious of you?)

Unofficial votals with around 16 hours to go (8 to lynch):
more_people 3- cjdrum, Zid, FAOT
mpolo 1 - misterk
misterk 2- VZ, more_people

Basically what I've got from these posts is that more_people is acting very suspicious (from not reading the thread and such), and thus warrants a vote for now.
Though they did drop the plural nouns. That was good.

Vote: more_people

Sorry about my inactivity. Yesterday was a bit hectic.

I can see the possibility of cjdrum making an error from extrapolation. Dunno about mpolo jumping on him: I don't think cjdrum ever said his character wasn't in the movie in the first place, just that it wasn't an exact name (though one could interpret that as not being in the movie, since it's not exact and all). So that doesn't look too good at this point.

On the other hand, we now know that mpolo supposedly has a name from the movie, while cjdrum does not!... That doesn't really help. Don't know what alignment roles would be kind of based off a real character, though my gut says town, since there are usually a lot of town players compared to the amount of scum.

I'll be back before deadline, so I'll look at the situation again and see if mpolo really deserves a vote (that's who I'm leaning towards, right now).

I just read the whole summary on wikipedia and went .
There are bunches of moles in the whole thing. I wouldn't be surprised if there were lots of independents or, at least, a good amount of independent win conditions.

I don't want much bastardness in this game...
Also, cjdrum: I don't think it's smart to claim in this game. At all. The moles are everywhere! No one can be trusted! And who knows if there are lynchers out there or anything.

I haven't watched the movie, so I won't be very good with rolespec. Just did a cusory glance at wikipedia.
I'll look things up in more detail when needed.

Also, FAOT: why would the game be confusing? Is it because of the all the interaction between the mob and the cops?

Confirm!