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by BlitzGirl
Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:26 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Holy waterottermolpies, it's a yappo! It's molpish to see you too!
Hammerfest sounds like fun; I imagine it was something like
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yappobiscuits wrote:I have to wonder (because I'm too lazy to figure it out for myself) is the meter or something somehow dictated by the epilogue sequence or something clever like that?

Nope! Not that clever, but I'm sure someone could derive a meter from the pattern if they wanted to. For me, the meter's just whatever sounds treeish in my head. There's usually an internal beat because I like rhymes, and the epilogue sequences are not always suitable to rhymish writing, so I stick in a sea of internal rhymes instead.

yappobiscuits wrote: KAMELOT! It's only a model. Shh.

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by yappobiscuits
Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:54 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
Replies: 106992
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Oh chirp, I only gone and missed the Timeversary. Was busy molping about with band stuff. We were in Wales over the weekend playing at one of the UK's biggest metal festivals, Hammerfest. Was baobabish to see our name on the same lineup as the likes of Kamelot. KAMELOT! It's only a model. Shh.

And a new BlitzPoem! :D Wowterful! Molpish to see you again BlitzGirl! I have to wonder (because I'm too lazy to figure it out for myself) is the meter or something somehow dictated by the epilogue sequence or something clever like that?
by balthasar_s
Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:48 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
Replies: 106992
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Re: 1190: "Time"

BlitzGirl wrote:but if you've gone down the punning path I will have no choice but to deploy donuts...or worse!
You are right. The punning path is a dangerous path. Let's not go there.

The mscha.org page seems to believe it is from a halfmip in the Future so I don't know how accurate the sequence is
Look here:
http://mrob.com/time/epilogue-sequence.txt

Also here: http://forums.xkcd.com/download/file.php?id=57451

You might also be interested in my notes from decoding the sequences:
  1. 4289936
  2. 4290159
  3. 4290354
  4. 4290711
  5. 4291337
  6. 4291564
  7. 4293613
  8. 4296461
by BlitzGirl
Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:38 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
Replies: 106992
Views: 47236043

Re: 1190: "Time"

Thank you Zooman for the ninecake (and the awesomeful sandcastleversary cake)! Image

balthasar_s wrote:"Welcome back"?
Didn't the OTT have a special version of it?
"Welcome forward"?
No, that would be silly.
"Welcome bag"?
Yeah, that must be it.
Probably.

...Is that a Image pun? From balthactualFFS? Surely things haven't changed that much! I like reading your words too, balthasilly, but if you've gone down the punning path I will have no choice but to deploy donuts...or worse!

addams wrote:Oh, BlitzGirl...;
That is lovely.

Thank you, addams (ooh, and Sciscitor in the post preview)! It's an epilogue poem based on...uh...whatever iteration of the epilogue sequence the OTC is trying to go through right now. The mscha.org page seems to believe it is from a halfmip in the Future so I don't know how accurate the sequence is, but the poem uses it as the rhyme scheme: DCBAE DCCEDC BDAE DCBAE CDAE.

Speaking of poetry, treeish pasthaiku, svenman. :) I spent so long trying to figure out what I should make for 9000 posts that I accidentally basemented myself with indecision mustard. Oops.

And now I'm the pagegoat? Yes, I'm the pagegoat. Image
by balthasar_s
Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:00 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
Replies: 106992
Views: 47236043

Re: 1190: Time for Physics – phys-0055

SilentTimer wrote:SO LONG AND THANKS FOR ALL THE EPSILON -- ongomome
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Is it time to analyse everything again?

What do we have here?

The famous Newton's Apple falling from a tree?

Above tree on the right. Sun moving on its path through the sky?

Above the tree on the left. smaller and smaller parts of the tree.
After all, the question was "What does everything consist of?"
Wil this continue down to single pixels and subpixels? It's a TaTworld after all :wink:

The person sitting right to the tree.
Do the two lines represent him looking at the tree?
Would be fitting with the previous frame's "How can we see things".

The blackboard is very tall.
There is a horizontal line in the middle.
Does it consist of two vertically movable parts which can switch places?

By looking at the phys-man's height in this and last frame, he shouldn't be able to reach the upper part of the drawing with his hand.

In frame 27 his glasses were black but now they are not.
Do they automatically become dark in the sunlight?

The 2019 epilogue sequence so far aggrees with my prediction.

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20190101 EDBADECBCBDC 


I can't wait until 2020 to confirm (or unconfim) my prediction for the next 10 years.

mschaviewer epilogue page is currently off by 18 days.
by balthasar_s
Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:11 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
Replies: 106992
Views: 47236043

Re: 1190: "Time"

lmjb's 2400th post title wrote:Re: 1190: Time 3KEYBOARD-SMASHING5BLITZGIRL
???

On the topic of basements,

when I noticed that the epilogue page on mscha's viewer is mustarded in the sequences for 2018 I wrote a PM.
But it's still in the outbox.

And the new year is coming soon!
It would be good to have the new sequences recorded correctly.

At least mrob's page is recording them now.
http://mrob.com/time/epilogue-sequence.txt
Redundancy is a good thing in this case.
by balthasar_s
Sun Nov 18, 2018 10:09 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
Replies: 106992
Views: 47236043

Re: 1190: "Time"

svenman wrote:Maybe it would make sense for you to buy your own scanner now?
Yes, it would.
Actually, I do have one, here.
It is an old scanner from my uncle's old FFS.
It is working (probably) but it has to be connected to a computer with a scsi interface.
I do have a 486 computer (in parts) which has a scsi controller so it could maybe work if I rebuilt that computer, connected everything, installed, got cables, and so on.
Or I could just buy a new scanner...

We're getting closer to the end of year.
So it's time to go back to the topic of the epilogue sequences.
Here is my prediction for 2019:
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And here is a spreadsheet which calculates the predictions using the formula I discovered (4290711, 4291337, 4291564, 4293613, 4296461):
epilong-predictor.ods
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(ETA: for some reason when I open it on my other computer the conditional formatting on the right side is lost)
I'm very convinced that my prediction for 2019 will be correct.
But 2020 will be very interesting.
We will see if my formula is complete or maybe it needs another element.

I noticed that the epilogue page of mschaviewer is mustarded.
https://xkcd.mscha.org/epilogue.html
It shows times up to 2018-12-05 which is in the future.
It looks like it got out of sync for the first time in January:
2018-01-25 one frame is repeated and then everything else is late by 1 hour.

Luckily we have also mrob's page:
http://mrob.com/time/epilogue-sequence.txt

I think it's time to add my discovery to the epilogue page on the wiki.
I don't like the interface for editing the wiki but if I don't add this probably nobody else will.

Redundant:
Spoiler:
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by balthasar_s
Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:46 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
Replies: 106992
Views: 47236043

Re: 1190: "Time"; My path to the land of epilogues

lmjb1964 (hmm, this name seems familiar...) wrote:Just blows my mind. I used to be good at <mathy stuff>, and I suppose if I really sat down and worked through it, it would make sense. But it's been too long since I've done that kind of stuff, so I just get cross-eyed. I'll just continue to marvel at how your minds work, and admire the pretty colors. :)
If you want to find out more about wow the minds work then maybe this will be helpful:

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Part 4/2 - how I arrived at epilogueworld and what i did there

Until recently my knowledge about the epilogue sequence was very limited.
I knew that there are 5 frames and that they are appearing every hour not randomly but in some pattern.
ggh, hujackus, slinches, maybe others too noticed some patterns and even made some predictions.
When reading their posts I wouldn't understand much what they were talking about.
But I didn't really try.

When I was making BFTF I started thinking about our epilogueframes a little.
Quickly decided that BFTF will not have such a thing.
But I also started thinking how I would generate such sequences.

I thought
I would probably not make such a nice thing as GLR did. Instead I would just build it from some XORs, they make nice patterns. And also they mix the influence of different variables making them less obvious.

I had no idea how close to the truth I was then!
I didn't post anything about this so there is no way for me to prove it.

Then I stopped thinking about it again.

And then, it was 2018.

New year always brings the topic of epilogue sequences back to the OTT.
And 2018 is special because it allows for new predictions for 2018-2021.
So OTTers start talking about it again.

Ucim asks what are the "sloshers".
My knowledge was that some patterns were identified but there are frames which don't fit those patterns and they are called "sloshers".
I decided to check if I'm remembering this correctly.
I found the page on mschaviewer describing the situation really well.

I learn about what the current understanding is.
But I'm actually trying to understand it this time.

So I learn that:
  • there are only 5 different 4x4 squares
  • the sequence seems to be based on decimal numbers interpreted as hexadecimal
  • the year can be reduced to just 3 letters
Also from hujackus' picture I learn about the year patterns and the 90 degree rotation.

Wow that's so cool!
I decide to make a spreadsheet to illustrate this.
I wanted to see this in action to understand this better.

While making this spreadsheed I noticed more:
There aren't 5 different possible 4x4 squares. Actually there is only one! the 5 comes from shifting the "base" 4x4 square by different offsets (mod 5).
Big enlightment.
Also, the expansion from the 3 letters to the letters representing each 4x4 square is also done just by applying offsets (mod 5).

So, in my spreadsheet, I could expand from the 3 letters to the full year by just adding offsets and mod 5, nothing else was needed!
I post the file and I keep thinking and reading

The 3 letters defining a year also seem to be arranged in 4x4 squares.
To predict the future we would have to know what is going to be the next square.
I look at it and I notice some regularity.
I make my first prediction.

Next day I'm not so sure about my prediction.
I think that it's much more likely to get a pattern break at 2020.
because if everything else depended on single digits then it's no reason why the year would be different.

I'm still wondering why the patterns are how they are.
There is mod 5 everywhere but at the same time everything seems to be related with 4s.

I make a very lucky guess.
I guess that because I could expand the year using just addition then it is very likely that the sequence generating function is built by adding multiple components depending on different variables.

Maybe at least some components can be identified by analysing points where other variables are 0?

I look at the "outermost" sequence.
Left column in this picture.
everything else than year is 0.
ABDE EACD DEBC CDAB (BCEA?)

How could such a sequence be built?
I see 4s and 5s in this.
after every 4 characters we get the same sequence shifted by 5.
Let's start with adding (mod 5) mod 5 to mod 4.

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   0123 4012 3401 2340 1234
 + 0123 0123 0123 0123 0123
---------------------------
   0241 4130 3024 2413 1302
Nice but useless.

But let's do something.
I'll start with assigning numbers to letters.
A = 0 because on the top left edge where everything is 0 there is A.
If we also consider how the squares are all the same but shifted we're left with only 2 possibilities:
01234 = ABCDE or 01234 = AEDCB.
The first one is more promising because then we have the same sequence increased by 4, every 4 letters.

So the sequence is now 0134 4023 3412 2301 (1240?)
Let's subtract mod 5 from it:

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   0134 4023 3412 2301
 - 0123 4012 3401 2345
----------------------
 
0011 0011 0011 0011

Interesting...

Something different now.
the sequence is repeating so maybe focus just on one repeat, 0134.
or rather the whole square:
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How to build such a block?
I notice the 2x2 chessboard patterns of two kinds of 2x2 squares which also have this chessboard.
Image
Where have I seen this before?

Suddenly, I know.
XOR!
xors everywhere!
xors produce such patterns

If i xor the lowest bits of the year and the tendays i get this:
Image
And if I do the same with the next bit I get this:
Image
But actually, what I get is this:
Image
when the operation is performed on whole numbers and not on isolated bits.

Ok, what next?
how to build the square from these parts?
Simply adding them will not work:
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Two of the 2x2 squares are correct, two other are off by 1.
What I really need is this:
Image
But how do I transform nicely Image into Image ?

No, wait I don't have to .
I realise something.
I have to add a 3 but all I have is some 2s.
But in mod 5 adding 3 is the same thing as subtracting 2.
Let's try:
Image
Yes!
That's what I needed.

Now I have a nice way to generate the most basic of squares.
At this point I feel like nothing can stop me now.

So now to continue with the rest of the yearcube
what do I need to add to the base square to produce the correct sequence?
Let's see:
Image
So I need something that removes 1 every 4 years or somethings that adds 4 every 4 years.
The second option seems more promising.
Add a 4 every 4?
Is there a nice way to do it? preferable a bit operation?
Yes, I just have to ignore the 2 lowest bits, or, in other words do an AND 0xC operation.
I get a 0 0 0 0 4 4 4 4 8 8 8 8 12 12 12 12 sequence which is the mod 5 equivalent of what I need:
Image

Very good, I can generat the whole yearcube now!
This is already a success.

The next thing to do is to try to find a way to expand a year's 3 letters into the whole year.
Because the fullyear pattern is similar to the yearcube pattern it is very likely that also their generation will be similar.

Again, I start with the most basic square:
Image
It's similar but different.
I know. I see it.
It goes backwards.
Even more: the full year base square is the negative of the year cube base square. They add up to 0:
Image

If so, I can just replace this
Image
with this
Image
And success. the base square generator is ready. That was fast.

Now there's just one thing left to do.
What to add to the squares to produce the full pattern?
Let's see:
Image
I decide to expand it this way:
Image
There are multiple reasons for this:
  • the patterns are consistent
  • it aggrees with hujackus' extension
  • it is the same as the top of the year cube's base square: 0134
  • it seems to be the most promising
But even if this is not correct it doesn't matter at all.
because it can only effect digits higher than 9 which is not something we can see in the real world.

So how do I build this?
By similarity to this
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I could expect something like this:
Image
But that's wrong, unfortunately.
I cannot generate 0101 or 0022 with simple bit operations because those patterns are actually 0000111100001111 and 0000000022222222.
These are on different bits.
If I did the AND operations on the correct bits I would get 0000444400004444 and 0000000088888888.
And this is actually good news, because of mod 5.
In mod 5 subtracting 4 is the same as adding 1. and adding 8 is the same as subtracting 2.

So I try this
Image
And this is correct.

And with this I have all the parts!
Great success!
I almost don't believe it but I have managed to find a successful epilogue sequence generator.
Now the only thing left to do was to post it in an easily understandable way...

Redundant
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by balthasar_s
Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:52 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
Replies: 106992
Views: 47236043

Re: 1190: "Time"; Balthasar's Secret Tetragrammatic Acronyms Lack Explanatory MINY LEML

Part 3/2 - what if it doesn't?

Continuation of this post.

So I found that with this formula

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( (Y AND 0x8) + (Y AND 0x4) - ((Y XOR T) AND 0x2) + ((Y XOR T) AND 0x1) +
  (H AND 0x8) - (H AND 0x4) + ((D XOR H) AND 0x2) - ((D XOR H) AND 0x1) ) mod 5
(and adding sloshers) we can generate the epilogue sequence, at least for the current yearcube.

It would be nice if someone who is not me checked if I didn't make a mistake with it.

So at this point we're quite sure that GLR's epilogue generator function is using decimal digits (encoded as bcd or something like that) from the date as its arguments, right?

What if I told you that my guess is that this is not how GLR does it?

what?

What I think could be happening is this:
The epilogue function gets the date as a text, and not as numbers,
for example:

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"2018-01-10 19:05"
(there are many ways to write this)
.And then it interprets some bytes from that string as numbers:

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"2018-01-10 19:05"
    ^    ^  ^^
    |    |  ||
    Y    D  TH

So "0" becomes 48, "1" becomes 49 and so on.

But wait, isn't there a conflict with what I wrote in my previous posts?

Actually, there isn't.

In hexadecimal "0" is 0x30, "1" is 0x31, and so on.
The lower 4 bits (which are the ones used by the epilogenerator) are the same.

So all those operation on bits will give exactly the same results.
It doesn't make my predictions lell valid.


I think that a generator that gets the date as text and works on its bytes is more likely than one which gets the date as numbers and converts them to separate the decimal digits.

At least that's how I would do it.


8<----------------
mrob27 wrote:
balthasar_s wrote:Today I find out that BSTA is a LEML story…
OTTsford dictionary wrote: TIOC : TCP/IP Over Coincidence, an acronym in the LEML story


Fixed (I think). Thanks for pointing it out.

...or maybe not?
Now TIOC has become "an acronym in the BFTF story (see also LEML)."
and there was no TIOC in BFTF.
And CTIF is "1. A mysterious acronym in the LEML story. (Possibly an acronym for ChronoTransponder InterFace)"

Maybe we should create an actual "LEML" story, just to increase the confusion?

8<----------------
You might have noticed increased problems with botcastle accessibility in the recent days.

Somewhere in the past there were times when it was having problems with its HDD. this was made at that time.
I found out that these were problems caused by the disk's power connector.

Recently, random resets and disk problems started to reappear and increase.
Once again it was a power supply problem disguised as something else.

One day I noticed that turning off my desk lamp can reset the botcastle.
I connected an oscilloscope to the 5V supply to see what the lamp is doing to it.
I saw how terrible it was even without any lamp action.
I replaced the power supply. Now all works well again.
by lmjb1964
Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:31 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
Replies: 106992
Views: 47236043

Re: 1190: Time: THIS TRILOMEG IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE WOWTERFALLISH THINGS.

I started a ketchup post but then got distracted by the Outside. Now even more ketchup is needed, so I'll post this for now.

balthasar_s wrote:So the signs with population written on them are actual real things?
not very practical.

Well, I only know about the one sign. I don't think the point is to be completely practical. But perhaps they want to help.people practice their addition skills. :)

Eternal Density wrote:Just thought I'd share with you an amazing idea:
The name of my next health-food themed metal band is Kalestorm.

That is all.

:azule:

addams wrote:And; A Happy Solstice Holidays to The One True Thread and The Whole Wonderful Flora!
Spoiler:
We are The Best!
Spoiler:
I am but a drop in the Sea.
But; Its the Best Sea!


It's Gift Getting/Giving Day!
YEY! It got here!


It's also eat as much as a Poster can eat day!
But, Just barley. Don't wake anyone...

All you had for Christmas was barley? That's a Christmas tradition I'm not familiar with. :D

mrob27 wrote:
addams wrote:Holiday Music from one of our True Talents: (We Love the Thread of Time)
I can't find the Other One….
I found This.
It is less Romantic.
(Every Major's Terrible XKCD Sing-a-Long)

Don't forget my OTTified "Chiron Beta Prime" (which is, at least, actually xmas-related).

So glad you linked to that! Though I don't know the original song. Still enjoyed yours, though.

Molpish New Yip to one and all! For Christmas, my BF took me to the Happiest Place on Earth, TimeWorld Disneyland. They have some very large molpies there:
Spoiler:
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Not sure why it's sideways, it isn't when I view i on my computer. You get the idea. And some of you may recognize the beanie. :)

OMR! Do I see that we had a visit from an Old One? :shock: Hi, Opibople! (Did I spell that right?)
And I see hujackus is back and working on the epilogue sequence with ggh. :)


RSIR
Spoiler:
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ETA how much I enjoyed CD's poem, and his happy news. Yay!
Happy New Knee, SBN's FP!
Shoot, there was something else I was going to say. Oh, right, I hope OTTers are safe the the bomb cyclone or whatever it was.
Edited to again to write in blue.
by svenman
Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:32 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
Replies: 106992
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Baobabs! This is what some of the last parts of understanding everything (about the epilogue sequence) look like!

New othercomic.

And new BSTA:
That's irreleveant, play the game
Image

Hm, how to control this character?

Regarding this game, we are still in the first parts of understanding everything. That six-wheeled thing with the grab arm on the right is a robot, presumably?

101 hours 27 minutes until the next b_ONG.
by mrob27
Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:59 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
Replies: 106992
Views: 47236043

1190: Time: HOW HIGH CAN A SHENANOBOT DEMUSTARD SOMETHING?

Thanks @balthasar_s and everyone for picking up the epilogue sequence again. I think these new developments are most promising!

january1may wrote: "Hypothesis: It's not sand. It's cornstarch." - dalcde
Is that the first such hypothesis on the OTT? There aren't any listed in my previous report…

Thanks for pointing that one out. It's way earlier than the "It's snow, not sand." at OTT:72:30

january1may wrote: Today, the Book of Aubron shows a weird "pageok" page. Anyone recalls what it looked like back when it actually worked?
Using archive.org, it seems evident that the "pageok" thing began sometime between the 29th June and the 30th July, 2016.
  As @taixzo mentioned, it was a player for Time. I don't remember any rainbow-like elements, but the archive.org shows the blue background and labels/links I remember.
  Functional players are still available, such as mine — which more closely mimics the original experience by using xkcd-like styles and layout; doing real-time playback (when it's the same time of year) as well as automatic and manual frame-stepping.

"This thread has got me listening to 9 Beet Stretch, which is awesome, like a weird cross between György Ligeti and Boards of Canada." - ToomanyUIDs, NP21 (Anyone recognizes any of those three? From the context, I'm guessing they must be band names…)

Boards of Canada is a band, which I knew of prior to OTT. 9 Beet Stretch is a recording of Beethoven's 9th Symphony slowed down (but without changing the pitch) by about a factor of 20, so that it takes 24 hours to play the whole thing. A working stream is here. The original stream was at www.park.nl:8000/9bs but hasn't worked for some time.

balthasar_s wrote:The Polish translation looks like it is based on the original you found.

I saw the attribution to Stanisław Lem and decided to follow up. I found this on the original page that you linked us to:
Ergänzung 2010: Gahan Wilsons "Science Fiction Horror Movie Pocket Computer" hat es offenbar geschafft auch die Annerkennung so einer Science-Fiction-Größe wie Stanisław Lem zu gewinnen. Eine ins Polnische übersetzte Version des Schemas findet man unter dem Titel "Kieszonkowy komputer dreszczowców science fiction" im Anhang von Lems "Fantastyka i futurologia" (auf Deutsch erstmals 1977 erschienen unter dem Titel "Phantastik und Futurologie"). Der in der Erstausgabe von 1970 zwangsläufig noch nicht vorhandene "Komputer", muss nach dem Erscheinen von Gahans Original im "National Lampoon" von 1971 erst nachträglich in spätere Auflagen integriert worden sein.

which basically says that Lem included this Polish translation in "Fantastyka i futurologia", a book about Sci-Fi by Lem which was originally published earlier, (but presumably this bit was added in a later edition). After this bit that I quoted, it goes on to explain why the Gahan Wilson "computer" may have appealed to Lem.

mrob27 Image (antepengoat!)
by ggh
Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:16 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
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Views: 47236043

Re: 1190: "Time"

hujackus wrote:
ggh wrote:Yay - it's hujackus! And he's predicting the same sequence I am. :) (Which isn't so surprising, considering that I'm mostly basing my predictions on his treeish pattern-matching.) I am a little curious: I thought you'd lean towards pulling 2018 from the f column of the hexadecimal extrapolation, but like me, you're going for the b column - is that for the same reason I am?
I wish I could have figured out which 4x4 block to use (the one ending on f or b), but I haven't had a clue since 2015. I simply had to wait two years to find out which one it was going to be. Everything this time is based on the first letter from January 1st, which was a D.
I had a hunch, but then I realized this morning that it was based on a faulty premise, and then I forgot again why that was. A bigger brain would be so very, very useful.... But here's where I was coming from:

The epilogue sequence started on the third hour of the day in the 20's. That day continued:
CDCBAECDAEDCBAEDCCDCBA
without sloshers, it would have been:
EDCBAEEDAEDCBAEDDCDCBA
which we have grouped like this (and I'm going to add back in those first two hours to make it look like we're used to):
BAED CBAE ED AEDC BAED DC DCBA
Within every group, we've got descending letters.

So, what if we pad it out to fours like this instead to try to keep it flowing between groups?
BAED CBAE DCBA EDCB AEDC BAED CBAE DCBA DCBA
That would make a straight descent... until it falls apart on those last four.

So what to do with the last four? Say that it stops there? Jam an extra 6 letters before them somehow? I was even considering plopping in a whole extra set of four fours in there to bring the thing back to a nice even 64, like this:
BAED CBAE DCBA EDCB AEDC BAED CBAE DCBA EDCB AEDC BAED CBAE DCBA EDCB AEDC BAED

By this point, even I realize that I'm really reaching here. Why on earth would the third group of each set of four fours, and the third group of the four sixteens be skipped? And even if they were, that would mean that the smallest compact form of 2013 would be EDCB, not EDB, and it wouldn't be that beautiful transposed column of the 14th hour of 2013, and everything falls apart.

So yeah, I'm stuck. If I try too hard to make the descent last for that first day, I break it. But the amount of descent that is already present seems too much to be coincidental to me, especially since the very first frame is a (sloshed) E. That's why I put my money on that D coming up first, but it's going to be a long four-year wait to find out if that padding block is indeed there.



Addams, I was curious about your orange rocks. Suddenly I couldn't remember seeing orange rocks, so, of course, I did a google image search. Naturally, this popped up:
Image

rsir:
Spoiler:
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by hujackus
Mon Jan 01, 2018 5:35 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
Replies: 106992
Views: 47236043

Epilogue Sequence Predictions 2018-2021

It new year's eve. Time for predicting.

I'm still terrible at explaining so I'll just update my image from last time.
After applying sloshers. more_epilogue_predictions.png
Spoiler:
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2018's sequence should be
DCAECDBABAEDBADECBCBDADC
CDEADEABABDEABEABCBCABCD with slosher D at 0, on the 10th
AEDCBAEDCCBAEDCBAECDCCBA with slosher D at 0, on the 21st-29th
EACDABDECDABDEBCEADECDAB

I look forward to more theories. So far DCAECD is correct for Jan 1st.
2020 and 2021 are most probably wrong, but I felt like doubling down and it's getting late :roll:
by ggh
Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:28 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
Replies: 106992
Views: 47236043

Re: 1190: "Time"

Rule110 wrote:Megan and Cueball looking up at a gigantic panel of xkcd 1826 ("Birdwatching") floating in the sky. One of them is saying "The Othercomic is big!" and the other, "What's a Shop Vac?"
Ha! Love it!

Rule110 wrote:Actually talking about the OTC has probably become a bit of a rarity in this thread by now. What could there be left to say?
Oddly enough, the Time page itself started behaving differently lately, so we've been talking about it a bit. Did you see the javascript?

Also, we still haven't deciphered Beanish, and we don't know how the epilogue sequence is generated, though there has been good progress in that direction.


Addams - glad to hear you're dry! Is everything really really green?



Happy birthdip, newpixbot!
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by BlitzGirl
Tue Apr 11, 2017 6:08 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
Replies: 106992
Views: 47236043

Re: 1190: "Time"

Silly molpy me, I forgot just how Image OTTers are.

ggh wrote:
Oh I hope it isn't broken! I really really want to see what the epilogue sequence is for 2018 - I think that's going to tell us a lot - and if GLR shut it down to a still frame because of mustard I'd be pretty bummed.

Hold on... the reloading doesn't seem evenly spaced for me. Could it be morse code?

Epilogue hiccups. I'm sure we can derive an art form from them!

Image

More pole slidUNG:

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by ggh
Tue Apr 11, 2017 5:49 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
Replies: 106992
Views: 47236043

Re: 1190: "Time"

Oh I hope it isn't broken! I really really want to see what the epilogue sequence is for 2018 - I think that's going to tell us a lot - and if GLR shut it down to a still frame because of mustard I'd be pretty bummed.

Hold on... the reloading doesn't seem evenly spaced for me. Could it be morse code?
by ggh
Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:13 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
Replies: 106992
Views: 47236043

Re: 1190: Time: MAKE YAPPOCISION, NOT MMONS

svenman wrote:Links to all installments so far on the One True Wiki (scroll down a riverish bit), for your convenience.
Ooh - very handy - thanks!
Also, I haven't been able to add anything to the wiki lately, but one of the recently-changed blurbs sounded like you've probably been fixing some of the links I made. Much appreciated! :)


AluisioASG wrote:Map updated. Please check it still works for you.
Force-refreshing (Ctrl+F5, or Shift+F5, or Ctrl+Shift+F5) might be necessary.

ggh wrote:So, yes, as hujackus predicted back in 2015, the 2017 epilogue sequence is DCAECDBABACBEDCCAEAEAECB!
Do we have an algorithm yet? Any ideas?
The map still works for me. :) I too was going to ask why some avatars were missing, but it's not a big deal. It's a good good map.

We haven't done anything since hujackus I think. Were you here for those posts? If not, check out viewtopic.php?f=7&t=101043&start=95760#p3873126 for the latest and greatest. Fantastic pattern spotting.


GnomeAnne wrote:
Put ARMs into your inventory or however it's called

The closest thing to an inventory you have are your pockets. Unfortunately, they're quite full already.
I never thought I'd be so happy to see a simple pocket. :) Take that Data Structures!


MistyCat wrote:Is it just a pipe dream?

Spoiler:
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Spoiler:
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ZoomanSP wrote:
ucim wrote:Nothing like an illogical engine at the root of a hotdog! (You didn't know hotdogs were root vegetables?)

Spoiler:
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Spoiler:
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Eternal Density wrote:The talk of eclipses reminds me that couple of nips ago I saw a meteor! I was actually looking away from it but it was so bright I saw the light on the clouds, and I turned around in time to see it and realise what it was before it disappeared. Treeish!
I saw a pretty bright (but not as bright as yours) one last night. Is that a coincidence or is there some increased likelihood of these things lately?
Also:
Spoiler:
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ucim wrote:Dunno if I'll get to see the eclipse. I'd like to, but there are other things coming into play. We'll see.
Image

balthasar_s wrote:I kind of feel like I'm taking too much of the OTT's attention with this.
Especially, that the frames we saw so far are not very related.
That's like the most heretical thing you've ever said.
Assume the position:
Spoiler:
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Ha! Well played ED! and hi Sciscitor!


rsir:
Spoiler:
balthasarInTheComfyChair.jpg
by AluisioASG
Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:23 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
Replies: 106992
Views: 47236043

Re: 1190: "Time"

Map updated. Please check it still works for you.
Force-refreshing (Ctrl+F5, or Shift+F5, or Ctrl+Shift+F5) might be necessary.

thunk wrote:Summer near the Seaish River sounds delightful right about now.
I'd advise against it, unless you want more heat in your life. Or if you're near the other big river.
Spoiler:
I've never been there.
I might, one day.


balthasar_s wrote:I kind of feel like I'm taking too much of the OTT's attention with this. Especially, that the frames we saw so far are not very related.
Well, it's not like there's much going on.
Besides, it is RELATED now.

ggh wrote:So, yes, as hujackus predicted back in 2015, the 2017 epilogue sequence is DCAECDBABACBEDCCAEAEAECB!
Do we have an algorithm yet? Any ideas?

ggh wrote:You staying safe I hope? It sounds a bit crazy there.
Summer storms are quick and windless, so it's not much of a problem down here. As for everything else…
AluisioASG, about pretty much anything wrote:Oh, it's going.


addams wrote:Do you live in this far off, exotic place??

Yes. And besides living in the Land of Pine Trees, I'm surrounded to the east by Pine PlantationsPinhais, to the southeast by St. John of the Pine Plantations, and to the southwest by A Kind of Pine TreeAraucária. We're surely not in short supply.

addams wrote:If it is True;
You live in South America, in a Metropolis.
And; I live in the Woods between two North American Rain Forests;

And; Balthasar lives in Eastern Europe...;
And; ggh is in New Zealand;

And we have Posters in Australia and England and Germany and France and Sweden and Florida....
well...All of That is beginning to sink in.

We ARE a diverse and global community.
How cool is That??
All we're missing is the Northeast and the Icy Regions.
Spoiler:
I was looking at how to get to Oregon. Out of curiosity.
Do you know there's such a thing as Alaska Airlines?


GnomeAnne wrote:I had almost forgotten about the D&D game we were talking about.
Wow, it's been quite a while.
So we have
karhell wrote:

taixzo wrote:

Gingercat wrote:

Febrion wrote:

macraw83 wrote:

GnomeAnne wrote:

addams wrote:

ggh wrote:

AluisioASG wrote:

Did I miss anyone?

balthasar_s wrote:And now my computer did its first kernel panic ever, today:

Code: Select all

kernel panic - not syncing: Fata[…]
Pid: 4133, comm: plugin-containe[r…]

All the more reason to get rid of Flash.
Spoiler:
Actually, it seems to be your network card.


Why is Baidu a spider but Yahoo a bot?
by ggh
Mon Jan 02, 2017 10:57 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
Replies: 106992
Views: 47236043

Re: 1190: "Time"

So, yes, as hujackus predicted back in 2015, the 2017 epilogue sequence is DCAECDBABACBEDCCAEAEAECB!
Who wants to give 2018 a crack?


balthasar_s wrote:
ggh wrote:But it'll just be a few hours... you could let it slide, no?
No.
My program has a bug and works incorrectly.
I will not allow it to stay like this.
I bet you are most excellent at your FFS!

At my old FFS (oFFS?) I had to be just the opposite. In fact, I'd say that a big part of the job of a whole department there was to make sure that pieces of work being done by people like me were delivered before we thought they were done. It's funny: my first reaction to your post was to say that maybe I had been good at my job for having the opposite trait to what makes you good at yours, but after I thought about it a bit, I'm not sure what it was in my nature to do before that FFS. I'm definitely a slacker now, but maybe I wasn't always. Hard to say. I've always been lazy, but excited about something and obsessive sometimes trumps lazy.
Anyways, good on ya.


GnomeAnne wrote:The cider was pouring, albeit slowly.
That was the second runthrough, there should've been more, but we were hungry.
Amazing!


addams wrote:I am so glad The Wind did not take it away.
Does this mean, It does not need The Net?

Or; Were we, just, Lucky?
Yes. 'We'.
Aw, thanks! That We gives me the warm fuzzies. :)
Luck may have played a part. I still intend to net it for the next southerly gale and anything this strong or stronger from the north, but I guess I can relax a bit for mere 120kph northerly gusts.


svenman wrote:
Addams wrote:This day and the new year began with crystal clear skies.
The moon was only a sliver.

Yet, that Sliver of Moon was so bright it lit the unlit portion of the Moon.
It's True! The unlit portion glowed Blue.


That is a well-known phenomenon and it is called Earthshine. It is called that because actually the dark(er) part of the Moon is not lit by the bright part of the Moon - it is lit by the dayside of the Earth. (When the side of the Moon facing the Earth is mostly nightside, then the side of the Earth facing the moon will be mostly dayside in exact reverse proportion, and vice versa.)
Addams painted a word-picture with Art and svenman explained it with Science... and the harmonies between the two made an even more beautiful song. I love this place. :)


GnomeAnne wrote:Had I been here a year, or even six months ago, I would have been able to participate in solving the bstart mechanism, but that opportunity is forever lost to me now. However, the passing sorrow of missed experience is nothing to the joy of having found this place, of the second family I now have.
As the saying goes:
Better late than never.
Hold on, didn't you start it?
Also, I failed that link. Sigh.


thunk wrote:
ggh wrote:Hmm, so any ideas where this came from? I was totally wrong about the Coincidence connection - oops. Apparently the similar phrasing of that post was just a coincidence. Thunk mentioned retrieving arms twice, but both times was specific about the location (from a shelf and from a chest) so maybe thunk's suggestion was just a coincidence. Or maybe it was thunk, but her chosen locations didn't jive with the scene so they didn't count. Anyways, if anyone gets a suggestion to go through somehow, I'd love to hear about it.

"Retrieve arms" is a longstanding gag in MSPA. For the three OtherOtherComics that preceded Homestuck in the series, the characters were sometimes initially drawn without arms, and so had to obtain them somehow. This running gag persisted even after the characters obtained arms, because it was hilarious and could be interpreted in less literal ways ("arms" as in fake props, or pistols).

Similarly, the "enter name" page upon the introduction of each new Homestuck character was abused in later introductions, with the character rebuffing the often-puerile name suggestion in ways that befitted their personality.
I knew that's where you were getting it from, but I guess I was still holding out hope that it was like the early days of Homestuck that you spoke of where the audience could suggest stuff. Hmm.... So, then the implied interactivity of the txt is just a narrative device? Heheh, suddenly I feel like one of those silly backwards characters in a comedy who thinks that the tv is really talking to them, because I've never come across a tv before. Oops. :oops:


Hey! It's Lu! HalleLUjah! Good to see you Dragon!
AluisioASG wrote:Conjugated baklava,
Huh - I went searching for an image for this, but couldn't find one. I don't understand it; SafeSearch says it's off. Sorry.

Many thanks for keeping the map going despite the Outside being so busy - it really helped me when I was visiting the US a few months ago. Also, chirpingmustard is still my goto place for things like the Calendar. I was going to ask you about something website-related... what was it?

You staying safe I hope? It sounds a bit crazy there.
by ggh
Sun Jan 01, 2017 5:27 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
Replies: 106992
Views: 47236043

Re: HELLO? YES, THIS IS WOOLPY

HES wrote:Time Traveller! Happy future!
Hi HES! Glad you joined me! It's great so far, eh?


addams wrote:2.) The location of the wound would have made placing stitches very difficult.
The stitches would have been, just, more wounds to heal...(darn..)

(tee-hee..)or, not darned;
As in, not darned the way a sock is darned or mended.
Hey Addams, have you been Vittsågened before?
Image
Is there a generic one, or is BliztGirl the generic one?

addams wrote:
GnomeAnne wrote:In the mannequin video, I am the one being punched in the face by a small child.

umm...This Thread moves Fast!
Where is this mannequin video?
Try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VRwdS7 ... e=youtu.be (from this post.)
It's a wonderful Christmas video! I am so glad that Laura Mae mentioned it again, because I had forgotten to go back and watch it when I had the chance. I have no idea how they hold some of those positions (you especially GnomeAnne). And was that apple cider actually pouring? How many rehearsals were there?!?

addams wrote:
MistyCat wrote:Did you know that if you Google "Missing young medieval manservant" you get error 404?


I did not get a 404 error message.
I got an off color joke...

Open at your own risk...
Spoiler:
Sitting in a bar the Scotsman says, "As good as this bar is, I still prefer the pubs back home. In Glasgow, there's a wee place. The landlord goes out of his way for the locals. When you buy four drinks, he'll buy the fifth drink."

"Well," said the Englishman, "At my local in London , the barman will buy you your third drink after you buy the first two."

"Ahhh, dat's nothin'," said the Irishman, "back home in my favorite pub, the moment you set foot in the place, they'll buy you a drink, then another, all the drinks you like, actually. Then, when you've had enough drinks, they'll take you upstairs and see that you gets laid, all on the house!"

The Englishman and Scotsman were suspicious of the claims. The Irishman swore every word was true. Then the Englishman asked, "Did this actually happen to you?"

"Not to me, personally, no," admitted the Irishman, "but it did happen to me sister quite a few times."
Bwahaha! That's not a half-bad joke to stumble across by accident.
I confess, I too actually googled "Missing young medieval manservant", and was disappointed. The joke is that you'll get 404: Page not found. Now, my memory could be totally inventing this, but I think once upon a time, that was an actual Google Easter egg if you used the "I'm feeling Lucky" button.


Hi TheGhost! Randallspeed on your blitz!


ggh wrote:Welcome New Yip! Ding Dong Ding DONG!
Retrieve arms

You have to be more specific.
Where do you want to retrieve the arms from? (hint: they're on the desk)
Hmm, so any ideas where this came from? I was totally wrong about the Coincidence connection - oops. Apparently the similar phrasing of that post was just a coincidence. Thunk mentioned retrieving arms twice, but both times was specific about the location (from a shelf and from a chest) so maybe thunk's suggestion was just a coincidence. Or maybe it was thunk, but her chosen locations didn't jive with the scene so they didn't count. Anyways, if anyone gets a suggestion to go through somehow, I'd love to hear about it.

The Time to ONG came down to 31 hours, so that's nice too. :)


Code: Select all

 standing in the middle. Sandcastle Builder had Molpied Down for the final time, and the Idleans had their King. "That should put your hotdogs into perspective," said Mrorl, and no one knew whether he meant Sandcastle Builder itself, or the King's pursuit of Hotdiggity sport. In either case, the self-paradoxical, meta-contradictory, algorithm of illogic had done its job well.
  "And now," Mrorl concluded, "good Lady Padashii, if you will take your seat in the comfy chair we have provided, we can be on our way..."
---- <*:<$:The author wishes to thank @@Eternal``Density and all Sandcastle Builder contributors for filling that hotdog with such depth and complexity, barely half of which is mentioned in this tale.:>:>
----
  #Footnotes#
  1. See [xkcd``207|http://xkcd.com/207], 2^{nd} panel.

I really enjoyed this, mrob - thanks! Very treeish :) Looking now at thing in its entirety - gee, I'm surprised how long it is. It just seemed to fly by at the Time. :)


SBN wrote:And Happy New Year, everyone.

I'm going to molpy down as soon as the neighbors run out of fireworks. Hoping it is soon.
Pr-emptiv heresy strike? Wishing you sweet dreams to start the New Yip.


balthasar_s wrote:ETA:
And also it's 2017.
And,
the bftf repay is confused by this.
From what I see it seems like it gets lost during the time between the year start and the ongtime of the first frame of the year.
Yay for new year debugging...
But it'll just be a few hours... you could let it slide, no?


18 frames into 2017, the new epilogue sequence is so far running the course predicted by hujackus - woot!


Last night I didn't pay attention to the wind forecast, and the greenhouse stood without the protection of the cargo net in a northerly gusting up to 137km/h, and survived nicely. :)
by svenman
Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:52 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
Replies: 106992
Views: 47236043

Re: 1190: "Time"

ggh wrote:Oh, phew! Thanks!

I think there's a TAT-colored I want to add somewhere....
What would you think of this:

    A TAT Artwork subcategory under Time After Time on the main page

    TAT Manips and TATColored subcategories under TAT Artwork

    current manips occupying the #10-spot under Time After Time relocated to those two categories

    mscha's TAT-coloreds, listed on the OTColored page relocated to TATColored

    links to TAT Manips and TATColored added to the bottom of the OTC Manips and OTColored pages respectively

I'd say, go for it.

ggh wrote:The other thing I was thinking of for the wiki, was that it might be nice to have a place for current unsolved things, like:

    balthasar's current thingie
    mysteries of the various TATs
    Beanish
    the Epilogue sequence
    my Find-the-OTTers pic
    other things I can't recall offhand....

Sounds good too.

SBN wrote:If it doesn't have one, the wiki needs a titles and honorifics section.

It doesn't, as far as I am aware. But the good news is you can do something about it.
by ggh
Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:51 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
Replies: 106992
Views: 47236043

Re: 1190: "Time"

Oh, phew! Thanks!

I think there's a TAT-colored I want to add somewhere....
What would you think of this:

    A TAT Artwork subcategory under Time After Time on the main page

    TAT Manips and TATColored subcategories under TAT Artwork

    current manips occupying the #10-spot under Time After Time relocated to those two categories

    mscha's TAT-coloreds, listed on the OTColored page relocated to TATColored

    links to TAT Manips and TATColored added to the bottom of the OTC Manips and OTColored pages respectively


The other thing I was thinking of for the wiki, was that it might be nice to have a place for current unsolved things, like:

    balthasar's current thingie
    mysteries of the various TATs
    Beanish
    the Epilogue sequence
    my Find-the-OTTers pic
    other things I can't recall offhand....


SBN wrote:They do pretty well. TGW is young and energetic, and likes to squeak her toys, but GHW is a shepherd, and prefers that the toys be kept safe and unharmed. (And of course, interprets any squeaking as evidence that they are being hurt.)

Neither wolpies nor toys were harmed, but GHW was rather stressed for awhile, as the toys were clearly being tortured and the humans weren't doing anything to stop it.
In general, for having 360 pounds of wolpy here, it was pretty calm.
Oh - I didn't know that was a shepherd thing! The Little Wonder's Dad's family used to have a shepherd that would play with squeaky toys and be simultaneously upset that they were squeaking. But that dog had a lot of issues, so I thought that that was just another one.
by slinches
Sat May 07, 2016 7:10 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
Replies: 106992
Views: 47236043

Re: 1190: Time: COMA, COMA AGAINST THE PUNSAWING OF THE POPADUMB

mrob27 wrote:There are custom dice for that:
Spoiler:
Image
(120 sides, roll it to pick a random permutation of 5 things)
(Source: Eric Harshbarger)


I think you may have just solved the epilogue sequence. :P
by ggh
Wed May 04, 2016 2:30 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
Replies: 106992
Views: 47236043

Re: 1190: "Tine"

Go Chemo Man! Did you get someone else to do the shaving? Razors and Hiccups seem like a combo best left as a concept album.


mscha wrote:It's been a while since I had a look at that page... The explanation needs a lot of updating based on ggh's and especially hujackus' insights.
Even though we can now pretty much predict the epilogue sequence, I don't consider this mystery “solved”. We have no idea why the pattern is the way it is; I won't be happy until we have a (relatively) straightforward algorithm that generates this, and which is believable to have been put in place by the GLR or his minions.
I agree completely! I would be shocked if hujackus's prediction for 2017 didn't come true. It's such a lovely pattern. But 2018... we're going to get some new information there... maybe that'll lead to the breakthrough. I'm
Spoiler:
waiting for it.
mscha wrote:
ggh wrote:The graffiti: chirp and mustard
For some reason, this made me laugh harder than I've laughed in years! Good thing there was nobody around; I have no idea how I would explain that.
I had a good chuckle too. (Assuming that I'm right, and I might not be) these were the last words I figured out - partially because the pronunciation is hard for me, but mostly because I wasn't sure which characters I was looking at (I usually can't read graffiti in English). Anyways, I was absolutely convinced up to that moment that the graffiti would hold clues to the identity or identities of the mystery author and/or collaborators....


DrSamCarter wrote:I think ggh may have c-bar'ed when xe meant to backwards c-bar in the original text.
<snip>
Tip of an iceberg tine(?)
Oh Randal, it's true: I misspelled Time! :oops: Well that's embarrassing.


mrob, on his dice page, wrote:douse, analogous to "mouse" and "louse", is an alternative singular form of dice, for those of us who are of the "never-say-die" persuasion.
Brilliant!


thunk wrote:And ggh in the present: I don't think that ProtoBeanish is an abugida, but rather that rhotacized vowels are just written with an r, and the preceding schwa is omitted. But I haven't had the time to analyze the alphabet fully. At least unlike actual Beanish, it's only a script substitution and not actually a whole new language, which means we can actually figure out what the signs say. (sadly, not enough of a corpus in the OTC :()
That could be. I don't know anything about abugidas - I just read a wee bit when I was looking at the Beanish discussion. Other vowels are missing too, like in "of" and "is" but like I said, I've got a lousy ear for vowels, so someone else (maybe you?) is going to have to uncover any pattern for when it's appropriate to drop vowels. I dropped too many in the double dactyl. I know this, because taixzo struggled to read a few words of it.

Not only is a good thing for us that this is not a whole new language, but it makes total sense too. It's only 2983, and civilization hasn't crumbled yet, so there wouldn't be the isolated groups yet that might lead to rapidly changing languages. Lots of folks call for phonetic spelling nowadays, so having it come to pass isn't a huge leap.

Writing this way seems quite efficient, and maybe it would even have cognitive advantages, due to the treeish phonetic groupings. Did y'all notice the treeish phonetic groupings?
by mscha
Tue May 03, 2016 11:00 pm UTC
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Re: 1190: Time

BlitzGirl wrote:(Speaking of awesomeful things ggh has deduced, a quick request for mscha - if it's not too much trouble, could you color-code the 2016 epilogue sequences on your page? They're colored a beautiful red right now, but of course variOTTy is the spice of life!)

Oops, sorry, done.
It's been a while since I had a look at that page... The explanation needs a lot of updating based on ggh's and especially hujackus' insights.
Even though we can now pretty much predict the epilogue sequence, I don't consider this mystery “solved”. We have no idea why the pattern is the way it is; I won't be happy until we have a (relatively) straightforward algorithm that generates this, and which is believable to have been put in place by the GLR or his minions.
by BlitzGirl
Tue May 03, 2016 6:30 pm UTC
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Re: 1190: Time

Boababies, those are quite the dice, mrob!

mscha wrote:OMR, ggh, you're amazing! Now please solve our remaining mysteries, will you? ;-) (Beanish, epilogue sequence, first frame ‘hash’, anything else?)

Seconded! :) (Speaking of awesomeful things ggh has deduced, a quick request for mscha - if it's not too much trouble, could you color-code the 2016 epilogue sequences on your page? They're colored a beautiful red right now, but of course variOTTy is the spice of life!)

UNGderstanding everything:

Image

OTT Time Travel: Newpage 517

NoMouse wrote:If they want to understand everything, then it's going to be very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very long comic.
by mscha
Tue May 03, 2016 1:54 pm UTC
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Re: 1190: Time: Proto-beanish again

OMR, ggh, you're amazing! Now please solve our remaining mysteries, will you? ;-) (Beanish, epilogue sequence, first frame ‘hash’, anything else?)

ggh wrote:The graffiti: chirp and mustard

For some reason, this made me laugh harder than I've laughed in years! Good thing there was nobody around; I have no idea how I would explain that.

Proper ketchup later. Maybe...

PS: about the climate, I'm pretty sure this was already covered. Didn't “we” (don't remember who) conclude that humanity evolved into stick figures in order to survive the inhumane heat in the dried-up Mediterranean basin?
by mscha
Mon Jan 11, 2016 2:50 pm UTC
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Re: 1190: "Time"

mscha wrote:
I wrote:Epilogue sequence so far (CBEDCCAEAEDCAEC) matches hujackus' prediction perfectly. Baobabish, hujackus!

And the complete 0's sequence for 2016 is: CBEDCCAEAEDCAECDBABAEDBA. As predicted by hujackus.

And the 10's sequence for 2016 is: BCDECDEAEACDEADEABABDEAB, with “slosher” D on the 11th-19th at 0:00. Again, as correctly predicted by hujackus.
by Sustainabilizer
Sun Jan 03, 2016 9:43 pm UTC
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ENAP: Indeed! (Just post! No need to fear my trebuchet!)

Happy new yip, everyone! Image

@mrob27: Congratulations on your big round-number milestone!

@Eternal Density: Congratulations on your centapostversary!

@hujackus: Congratulations on your correct prediction of the 2016 Epilogue Sequence!
Yaay for SCIENCE!
taixzo wrote:Wait, what? It's still 2015 in Randall Standard Time.
The Epilogue Sequence is based on UTC.

For decree:
2016 will bring us more SCIENCE!
Wait for it!

For optional decree:
Here are some hats. Maybe some of them fit our pope.

This type of hat came to my mind first.
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Beanies are molpish, in particular for scientists.
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Or maybe it's just the pope who asks for a hat?
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Speaking of optional hats, maybe hujackus likes a beanie, too?
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And Rakhal asked for a hat. I don't know whether this fits, but I found this guy in an image search for “onwards”, and hatted him.
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Other versions and Legalese:
Spoiler:
Old version with smaller writing:
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High resolution:
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I didn't find a licence for this image. I hope that this (non-commercial!) usage falls under the “fair use” conditions of copyright.
ETA: My Time travelling abilities aren't sufficient to reach Rakhal. Maybe someone can deliver this hat to the past, so xe can Blitz it? Thank you.
Yes, a PM would do the job. But cross-temporal delivery is molpier.

Redundant:
Spoiler:
More SCIENCE!

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by mrob27
Sat Jan 02, 2016 8:39 pm UTC
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NO BEANIE IN THE 'VERSE CAN OTTCOLORISE ME!

slinches wrote:It's like a scientific experiment that confirms the current theory.

@hujackus's theory is the guess that the 0th, 10th, and 20th letters would be "C", "D", and "E" respectively, following the 90-degree rotation coincidence expressed by fig. 5 here and the words, Two E's next to a 13 and 14 / I've seen this before! / The 0s, 10s, and 20s line up too!.
  If you want us to believe that was "the current theory", then you would need to provide a reference to whoever/wherever described it before @hujackus. We all know that science is usually done in small steps. This step might not cover as much ground as you'd wish, but it's still progress.

hujackus wrote:Haha. It is indeed a "C". Hoping it's not a slosher! I'll have to check back in a few.

Indeed, and your other two letters for 2016 have been confirmed. As @mscha pointed out, we have CBEDCCAEAEDCAECDBABAEDBA as the 0's sequence of 2016, confirming that the new 1×4 blocks are still in that same standard group of five (middle of your "Fig. 4"), and also that we continue to have the same five 4×4 blocks (top of your "fig. 2", which was well-established before you added your new theory/prediction).
  To repeat what I just said in response to @slinches, we have confirmed that the three new letters for 2016 are "C", "D", and "E" as @hujackus predicted. There is no further opportunity to test @hujackus' prediction until this time next yip. If the 10's, 20's or 30's differ from those here, that would refute earlier work that had already been well-established and accepted.

Eternal Density wrote:The story :P

Oh yes, of course! :oops:. And thanks for making the CAPTCHA text box wider. For the record, "the story" is timelessriver chapter 0:
Spoiler:
(from timelessriver.net/stories/1/0):
Re: Sustainabilizer's Trebuchet
Well, my response to the trebuchet from Sustainabilizer that we do not have saying, but the longer artifacts in the story was all might be able to process the way.

This is a bit more similar tones and limited things, but we can't get an archive first person with longer than the sea for a misage. Flutterbeeway, and looks like that a fairly that much more slower, for me.

If you discuss the past on the rest in the bag in the diverse.

Hamply click to the OTT in the present predicted.

The Baint did well show some records and stop and stay out of this site welcomes to arm and was planning to mention that all the ottifications for the shocker so that's not that interaction to their approaching y shirt record as those faces linked to the bacon of Memban's ambiguous, so maybe the bill a current step could say at it.

Sticky mustard category OTTers and Cueball had no present from comment for the story for the creation in the past.

The same concerned carried the theory tower theories there… there are a few pages back in the other side. What I can try to do that thread so how much may be compented? So I haven't seen it all more to show in the time that I created it to BlitzGirl down and become out of my friends. What I reach the time more mustard. The bots be concerned. The floor who knows much to drag the rest of the parts of the razing amount to the stack of the sea and left

it created an emach seeming a couple of sand distance. Anyway, has it missed a decision.

My first office - the previous previous proportion this is a wonderful emphasis you've seen that coveries are the one way looking forward to it (the making of the same thing is not an artifact) resolution. What would be able to stay so much that do I have upon the recent number of a birthday. But here's the pope. They were presented at that page, which means that the end of the frame are doing this as well, and buy the greatest device makes sensible here in the distance of courtesy . I do certain proper significant amounts of reading subject. Of course why consider because not the OTT. It also had to replace the short pile of the Centapope of the OTC for 300000 days. I have not really really managed to make the way to be filled to distance to brings her half that and consider, and then read all the things represented so on the discussion probably when I get around newpix of the place of the mods and then I was scared for a minute.

It's easy that I'm not a malaorate thing I can should have turned away. Or see my friends (except for mine to leach it carefully never realized to the page.)

I really have a specifical simple clearly that information, which is an end of the many times to say that there's a problem in the mods in my characters that linked to it because I was related to the this camera to the rest.

Happy Now a bacon of my part of the basin between the past. There was the thread in the molpies (for some proper decisions).

Added the story but still making a possibility of the "List of stronger".

I haven't a bit less stumped with the topic for marchlight editor. I love the last particular circle and we'd be definitely included when at the same time.

There is no modern stuff with sand. Fretch the whole way behind the Time center ( images of the beaching Helper) book of the river in the present (though I chicken he's probably not the blitz of the OTT). I can't see the definition of his win manip. But not todip for the people made away from my advantage because the past was starting to see my chair of the past thing that was past recording to my point of our ways. You can plant them of my background for the when people think of course, but I would like to see the most peating of the shirt reasonable to use the same thing where the OTC had a subject and it watched to the person for the puzzle when the same image. That past Time that was going to do that.

So that would be at my fast as the most impressive letters of current comic or still because they were still a moment that has been thinking all of them.

Mainly because of the Bacon everyone.

I pass that it seems to complete in Old Chrest (but I can even be a few minutes and insider the bottom of the images of my sig), so I used to fix that with every many beach of the end of Time. But I wonder what's working for something to suggest my own words into my own person about that.

Spoiler: What was that morning?

I should stay down the drop of the posts anyway. It would be flutterbeewingish you don't know what my own trebuchetly sizes. So some of the back in a hour in the electric page I would keep the top of the mivider months.

Spoiler:

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Her

ETA: That's what I could be rebouting some people so that that makes me first persign in the matter of the past.

Which is climbing is much still done. I'm not the opposity of the OTT. (I was coma to come to a hedgehog todip! The horizontal similar positions I saw the shark of my favorite part of the present to fall with maps, the OTT seems to finish any frames. Something starting to this pain and a single after that appears to break the time to add a particular decree behind now.

And I can't hear my brother than everyone…
Also, it's always added at least one character per mini-ONG, and two if a single person is watching. :P

Neat! I hadn't realised that.
So, without further ado, the latest hit song from Vital Hotdog Function: […]

That's quite an undertaking, I think it would be quite an effort to sing/rap, if I were ever to try to record it. I love the Amtoo and Beanette at Gibraltar bit.

NoMouse wrote:Here, have this picture of OTTers being molpish instead.
(sorry, can't hotlink nor upload it, it's html5 video)

WEBMs may be converted to GIFs by a few free online services. I used convertio.co/webm-gif (others include cloudconvert.com/webm-to-gif, zamzar.com/convert/webm-to-gif/, and ezgif.com/video-to-gif). I then used three successive gifsicle commands with the options "—crop 180,130-540,290", "-k 27", and "—resize-width 240" to focus on the otters and cut it down to a reasonable size:
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mrob27 Image

Spoiler:
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by mscha
Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:45 am UTC
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Re: 1190: "Time"

I wrote:Epilogue sequence so far (CBEDCCAEAEDCAEC) matches hujackus' prediction perfectly. Baobabish, hujackus!

And the complete 0's sequence for 2016 is: CBEDCCAEAEDCAECDBABAEDBA. As predicted by hujackus.
by mscha
Fri Jan 01, 2016 2:37 pm UTC
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Epilogue sequence so far (CBEDCCAEAEDCAEC) matches hujackus' prediction perfectly. Baobabish, hujackus!

Molpish 2016H, everymolpy!
by hujackus
Thu Dec 31, 2015 11:43 pm UTC
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Re: I hope.

Looking forward to the new epilogue sequence data too! I might end up missing the wait for it moment. Less than one newpix away!
Hoping the new sequences are...
Spoiler:
Image
by ggh
Thu Dec 31, 2015 8:13 pm UTC
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Re: I hope.

Happy New Yip Everyone!

Eternal Density wrote:okay I took that out and I'm showing the total hits and I 'improved' the captcha text :D
Heehee :)

Eternal Density wrote:Speaking of steambottle, I kinda forgot about the song I was ottifying a wip or two ago. Looks like it won't be finished in time for the end of the yip. Not in my time-zone, at least. (The same goes for a chapter of fanfic I wanted to finish off this yip. :()
I find the end of the yip comes too quickly for me too. I really wanted to do a bit more on the epilogue before we get the new sequence, but, oops, it is nearly upon us, and making breakfast and a New Yip's playdate are going to eat away the newpix from now 'til then. I guess I just wanna say:

Gee, hujackus's prediction sure is cool. If you didn't get a chance to check it out yet, give it a gander now - it's uber-treeish.
I wasn't ever aspiring to predict the whole New Yip, but there was a little step I wanted to make, and I think it would still be a useful fallback position to have just in case. Last year, we learned that only one sequence is needed to know the other three. Ever since that step, I've hoped that this year would confirm that we only need the (base) frames at 0, 10 and 20 to get all the others. That hypothesis is explained better by hujackus than I could ever do in Fig 4 of the png I linked to above. Gotta run. Helicopter park awaits.
by SilentTimer
Sat Dec 26, 2015 9:56 am UTC
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Image
A molpish Cueganmess, everymolpy! Image
And a baobabish new Epilogue Sequence Pattern Seed!

In particular:
Dear Mystery Author,
thank you for keeping the spirit of Time alive. I hope that you can molpy down a little over the holidips in spite of your awesomeful but exhausting job. Molpy on!
by ucim
Sat Nov 07, 2015 8:36 pm UTC
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Re: ATTACK ITS WEAK POINT FOR OTHERRIVERWADINGISH TEMPORALIT

NoMouse wrote:
slinches wrote:What are those things protruding from the conveyerbot's midsection!? :shock:

Mustard? That's the only explanation I can come with at the moment. Really epsilonish.

The conveyerbot stuck its tongue out at us. It's saying "nyah nyah nyancat, you can't figure me out!"

mikrit wrote:Air Force grants BU researcher $1.85M to study hidden messages in epilogue sequence.

::azule::

Hmmm... seems I'm the Pope of NP2404. I'm all out of decrees for the moment though. Wait for it.

Jose
by mikrit
Sat Nov 07, 2015 7:40 pm UTC
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Re: 1190: "Time"

SBN wrote:In related news.

For a moment there, I thought the headline would be:

Air Force grants BU researcher $1.85M to study hidden messages in epilogue sequence.
by mrob27
Thu Oct 29, 2015 6:35 am UTC
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POPING IS A ART

slinches wrote:This seems related somehow:
https://www.rt.com/news/319788-moon-space-debris-wtf/

I was really hoping the article would explain why they put the "1190" in the name WT1190F. But no, not even the Wikipedia article, nor the Catalina Sky Survey article, bother to explain it.
  Obviously, we'll need to explain the name ourxelves :D

lmjb1964 wrote:But where did our little robot friend come from? He just sort of appeared.
Spaaaace-Time portal.

AluisioASG wrote:FWIW the area he appeared in is slightly different from its surroundings.

Just what I'd expect to see if I were looking through a Spaaace-Time portal.



ETA:
hujackus wrote:
I can write code to predict the epilogue sequence and not care about if it looks like the real code as long as the results are the same.
or
I can try to figure out the real code which (in its intermediate form) may or may not produce the epilogue sequence exactly.

Write your code in Haskell, and use pure functions for the actual algorithm. Then it won't matter if you take the first option, because for us in the I/O domain, i.e. the real world, we won't be able to tell.
by hujackus
Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:10 pm UTC
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Epilogue Sequence Predictions 2016-2017

Link to last posts on NP2389 and NP2395
mrob27 wrote:
hujackus wrote:Does anyone know what language the server is likely running when it hands out the image urls?

I know they use a lot of fairly unique stuff. For example, one or two things (including Umwelt, whose engine is on github) are done in Haskell. According to @davéan, Many parts of xkcd are implemented with Haskell, including "two new sites [not] released yet" as of 2012 June. So that would be the language to check.
   Hmmm… Image Isn't it against the rules of Haskell to query the current time? That would violate their "purely-functional" paradigm… O_o as he remembers that time his Haskell-expert friend needed to add 50 more lines to a 6-line Mandelbrot calculation function, forcing imperative-style flow control just to measure how much time the calculation takes… Image
  Then again, there's always Lisp or Perl :roll:

Thanks for the information. Yes, if it the program that chooses which frame to show is running Haskell, it probably wouldn't handle the current time directly. The code I posted takes certain liberties that may not align with the real code. Which reminds me. I asked myself a question that scientists usually ask themselves at some point. Do I only care about making predictions or do I only care about the explanation behind the predictions.

I can write code to predict the epilogue sequence and not care about if it looks like the real code as long as the results are the same.
or
I can try to figure out the real code which (in its intermediate form) may or may not produce the epilogue sequence exactly.

I'm a fan of David Deutsch and his views on the importance of good explanations, so I'm leaning towards the later choice. However, guessing if the code is in Haskell or something else is going to be tough, especially when I know other parts of the code use cryptography.

mscha wrote:Wowterfallish epilogy, @hujackus!
Looks like you're going to be right about 2016 and 2017 – unless it's a coincidence that a 3-by-3 rectangle appears in two places (which is certainly possible, we're good at finding patterns that don't really exist). For 2018 and further, it indeed takes more guesswork, not just from fig. 2 and 3 as you mention, but also whether the hash is done on a hexadecimal value (as you suggest in the image, and others, including me, have proposed as well) or if it's done on a string (ASCII values; as you suggest in the pseudo-code).
My head is spinning now, I'll look further when I have some more Time.

I really do wonder about if the digits are hexadecimal or not. The patterns we've seen kind of pop out if we assume that they are, but that is our only clue. In code, I see several possible inputs for a hash function. (And to be clear, I'm defining a general hash function, not a specific or standard cryptographic hash.)

Code: Select all

int hash(String fullDateStr){...}                          // hash("YYYY-MM-DDThh:mm:ssZ")
int hash(String str){...}                                  // hash("YDhh")
int hash(long bits){...}                                   // hash(dateStr.toBits(MASK))
int hash(int year, int dayOfMonth, int hourOfDay){...}     // hash(YYYY, DD, hh)
int hash(int var1, int var2, int var3, int var4 ...){...}  // hash(onesPlaceOfYear, tensPlaceOfDayOfMonth, tensPlaceOfHour, onesPlaceOfHour)

ggh wrote:I'm curious about that cdef block... your current version looks like it fits for a few reasons - what are the arguments for your previous guess?

As you pointed out, the cdef blocks I chose last time didn't look as promising as the current ones. If you change the cdef blocks, it changes the five 1x4 blocks in Fig. 4.
In my previous guess, those five 1x4 blocks would have been ABDC, BCED, CDAE, DEBA, EACB. The relative pattern in these is [0,+1,+2,+4]. I had base two on the brain and I missed the better choice seen in the current guess shown in Fig. 4.

ggh wrote:Seeing Patterns in Weird Places is pretty chirpin' neato. That the two Es are next to 13 and 14 though could be just coincidence though, right? I mean, the EDB goes with year 13 and hour 14 and the EAC does the reverse, so for year 16, you're looking to hour 11.

Yes, the 13s and 14s flip places so it's not perfect. It just leads me to believe that the hash function uses subtraction for the years and addition for the hours. I mean, everything is highly transposable and translatable; why not expect reflections.

I've been trying out some simple hash functions in Excel based off arithmetic functions and though I haven't found the right one, I did find some pretty stuff.Image
Redundant
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