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by ggh
Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:16 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
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Re: 1190: "Time"

hujackus wrote:
ggh wrote:Yay - it's hujackus! And he's predicting the same sequence I am. :) (Which isn't so surprising, considering that I'm mostly basing my predictions on his treeish pattern-matching.) I am a little curious: I thought you'd lean towards pulling 2018 from the f column of the hexadecimal extrapolation, but like me, you're going for the b column - is that for the same reason I am?
I wish I could have figured out which 4x4 block to use (the one ending on f or b), but I haven't had a clue since 2015. I simply had to wait two years to find out which one it was going to be. Everything this time is based on the first letter from January 1st, which was a D.
I had a hunch, but then I realized this morning that it was based on a faulty premise, and then I forgot again why that was. A bigger brain would be so very, very useful.... But here's where I was coming from:

The epilogue sequence started on the third hour of the day in the 20's. That day continued:
CDCBAECDAEDCBAEDCCDCBA
without sloshers, it would have been:
EDCBAEEDAEDCBAEDDCDCBA
which we have grouped like this (and I'm going to add back in those first two hours to make it look like we're used to):
BAED CBAE ED AEDC BAED DC DCBA
Within every group, we've got descending letters.

So, what if we pad it out to fours like this instead to try to keep it flowing between groups?
BAED CBAE DCBA EDCB AEDC BAED CBAE DCBA DCBA
That would make a straight descent... until it falls apart on those last four.

So what to do with the last four? Say that it stops there? Jam an extra 6 letters before them somehow? I was even considering plopping in a whole extra set of four fours in there to bring the thing back to a nice even 64, like this:
BAED CBAE DCBA EDCB AEDC BAED CBAE DCBA EDCB AEDC BAED CBAE DCBA EDCB AEDC BAED

By this point, even I realize that I'm really reaching here. Why on earth would the third group of each set of four fours, and the third group of the four sixteens be skipped? And even if they were, that would mean that the smallest compact form of 2013 would be EDCB, not EDB, and it wouldn't be that beautiful transposed column of the 14th hour of 2013, and everything falls apart.

So yeah, I'm stuck. If I try too hard to make the descent last for that first day, I break it. But the amount of descent that is already present seems too much to be coincidental to me, especially since the very first frame is a (sloshed) E. That's why I put my money on that D coming up first, but it's going to be a long four-year wait to find out if that padding block is indeed there.



Addams, I was curious about your orange rocks. Suddenly I couldn't remember seeing orange rocks, so, of course, I did a google image search. Naturally, this popped up:
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rsir:
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by ggh
Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:28 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Rule110 wrote:Megan and Cueball looking up at a gigantic panel of xkcd 1826 ("Birdwatching") floating in the sky. One of them is saying "The Othercomic is big!" and the other, "What's a Shop Vac?"
Ha! Love it!

Rule110 wrote:Actually talking about the OTC has probably become a bit of a rarity in this thread by now. What could there be left to say?
Oddly enough, the Time page itself started behaving differently lately, so we've been talking about it a bit. Did you see the javascript?

Also, we still haven't deciphered Beanish, and we don't know how the epilogue sequence is generated, though there has been good progress in that direction.


Addams - glad to hear you're dry! Is everything really really green?



Happy birthdip, newpixbot!
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by ggh
Tue Apr 11, 2017 5:49 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Oh I hope it isn't broken! I really really want to see what the epilogue sequence is for 2018 - I think that's going to tell us a lot - and if GLR shut it down to a still frame because of mustard I'd be pretty bummed.

Hold on... the reloading doesn't seem evenly spaced for me. Could it be morse code?
by ggh
Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:13 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
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Re: 1190: Time: MAKE YAPPOCISION, NOT MMONS

svenman wrote:Links to all installments so far on the One True Wiki (scroll down a riverish bit), for your convenience.
Ooh - very handy - thanks!
Also, I haven't been able to add anything to the wiki lately, but one of the recently-changed blurbs sounded like you've probably been fixing some of the links I made. Much appreciated! :)


AluisioASG wrote:Map updated. Please check it still works for you.
Force-refreshing (Ctrl+F5, or Shift+F5, or Ctrl+Shift+F5) might be necessary.

ggh wrote:So, yes, as hujackus predicted back in 2015, the 2017 epilogue sequence is DCAECDBABACBEDCCAEAEAECB!
Do we have an algorithm yet? Any ideas?
The map still works for me. :) I too was going to ask why some avatars were missing, but it's not a big deal. It's a good good map.

We haven't done anything since hujackus I think. Were you here for those posts? If not, check out viewtopic.php?f=7&t=101043&start=95760#p3873126 for the latest and greatest. Fantastic pattern spotting.


GnomeAnne wrote:
Put ARMs into your inventory or however it's called

The closest thing to an inventory you have are your pockets. Unfortunately, they're quite full already.
I never thought I'd be so happy to see a simple pocket. :) Take that Data Structures!


MistyCat wrote:Is it just a pipe dream?

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ZoomanSP wrote:
ucim wrote:Nothing like an illogical engine at the root of a hotdog! (You didn't know hotdogs were root vegetables?)

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Eternal Density wrote:The talk of eclipses reminds me that couple of nips ago I saw a meteor! I was actually looking away from it but it was so bright I saw the light on the clouds, and I turned around in time to see it and realise what it was before it disappeared. Treeish!
I saw a pretty bright (but not as bright as yours) one last night. Is that a coincidence or is there some increased likelihood of these things lately?
Also:
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ucim wrote:Dunno if I'll get to see the eclipse. I'd like to, but there are other things coming into play. We'll see.
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balthasar_s wrote:I kind of feel like I'm taking too much of the OTT's attention with this.
Especially, that the frames we saw so far are not very related.
That's like the most heretical thing you've ever said.
Assume the position:
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Ha! Well played ED! and hi Sciscitor!


rsir:
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by ggh
Mon Jan 02, 2017 10:57 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
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Views: 47502641

Re: 1190: "Time"

So, yes, as hujackus predicted back in 2015, the 2017 epilogue sequence is DCAECDBABACBEDCCAEAEAECB!
Who wants to give 2018 a crack?


balthasar_s wrote:
ggh wrote:But it'll just be a few hours... you could let it slide, no?
No.
My program has a bug and works incorrectly.
I will not allow it to stay like this.
I bet you are most excellent at your FFS!

At my old FFS (oFFS?) I had to be just the opposite. In fact, I'd say that a big part of the job of a whole department there was to make sure that pieces of work being done by people like me were delivered before we thought they were done. It's funny: my first reaction to your post was to say that maybe I had been good at my job for having the opposite trait to what makes you good at yours, but after I thought about it a bit, I'm not sure what it was in my nature to do before that FFS. I'm definitely a slacker now, but maybe I wasn't always. Hard to say. I've always been lazy, but excited about something and obsessive sometimes trumps lazy.
Anyways, good on ya.


GnomeAnne wrote:The cider was pouring, albeit slowly.
That was the second runthrough, there should've been more, but we were hungry.
Amazing!


addams wrote:I am so glad The Wind did not take it away.
Does this mean, It does not need The Net?

Or; Were we, just, Lucky?
Yes. 'We'.
Aw, thanks! That We gives me the warm fuzzies. :)
Luck may have played a part. I still intend to net it for the next southerly gale and anything this strong or stronger from the north, but I guess I can relax a bit for mere 120kph northerly gusts.


svenman wrote:
Addams wrote:This day and the new year began with crystal clear skies.
The moon was only a sliver.

Yet, that Sliver of Moon was so bright it lit the unlit portion of the Moon.
It's True! The unlit portion glowed Blue.


That is a well-known phenomenon and it is called Earthshine. It is called that because actually the dark(er) part of the Moon is not lit by the bright part of the Moon - it is lit by the dayside of the Earth. (When the side of the Moon facing the Earth is mostly nightside, then the side of the Earth facing the moon will be mostly dayside in exact reverse proportion, and vice versa.)
Addams painted a word-picture with Art and svenman explained it with Science... and the harmonies between the two made an even more beautiful song. I love this place. :)


GnomeAnne wrote:Had I been here a year, or even six months ago, I would have been able to participate in solving the bstart mechanism, but that opportunity is forever lost to me now. However, the passing sorrow of missed experience is nothing to the joy of having found this place, of the second family I now have.
As the saying goes:
Better late than never.
Hold on, didn't you start it?
Also, I failed that link. Sigh.


thunk wrote:
ggh wrote:Hmm, so any ideas where this came from? I was totally wrong about the Coincidence connection - oops. Apparently the similar phrasing of that post was just a coincidence. Thunk mentioned retrieving arms twice, but both times was specific about the location (from a shelf and from a chest) so maybe thunk's suggestion was just a coincidence. Or maybe it was thunk, but her chosen locations didn't jive with the scene so they didn't count. Anyways, if anyone gets a suggestion to go through somehow, I'd love to hear about it.

"Retrieve arms" is a longstanding gag in MSPA. For the three OtherOtherComics that preceded Homestuck in the series, the characters were sometimes initially drawn without arms, and so had to obtain them somehow. This running gag persisted even after the characters obtained arms, because it was hilarious and could be interpreted in less literal ways ("arms" as in fake props, or pistols).

Similarly, the "enter name" page upon the introduction of each new Homestuck character was abused in later introductions, with the character rebuffing the often-puerile name suggestion in ways that befitted their personality.
I knew that's where you were getting it from, but I guess I was still holding out hope that it was like the early days of Homestuck that you spoke of where the audience could suggest stuff. Hmm.... So, then the implied interactivity of the txt is just a narrative device? Heheh, suddenly I feel like one of those silly backwards characters in a comedy who thinks that the tv is really talking to them, because I've never come across a tv before. Oops. :oops:


Hey! It's Lu! HalleLUjah! Good to see you Dragon!
AluisioASG wrote:Conjugated baklava,
Huh - I went searching for an image for this, but couldn't find one. I don't understand it; SafeSearch says it's off. Sorry.

Many thanks for keeping the map going despite the Outside being so busy - it really helped me when I was visiting the US a few months ago. Also, chirpingmustard is still my goto place for things like the Calendar. I was going to ask you about something website-related... what was it?

You staying safe I hope? It sounds a bit crazy there.
by ggh
Sun Jan 01, 2017 5:27 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
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Views: 47502641

Re: HELLO? YES, THIS IS WOOLPY

HES wrote:Time Traveller! Happy future!
Hi HES! Glad you joined me! It's great so far, eh?


addams wrote:2.) The location of the wound would have made placing stitches very difficult.
The stitches would have been, just, more wounds to heal...(darn..)

(tee-hee..)or, not darned;
As in, not darned the way a sock is darned or mended.
Hey Addams, have you been Vittsågened before?
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Is there a generic one, or is BliztGirl the generic one?

addams wrote:
GnomeAnne wrote:In the mannequin video, I am the one being punched in the face by a small child.

umm...This Thread moves Fast!
Where is this mannequin video?
Try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VRwdS7 ... e=youtu.be (from this post.)
It's a wonderful Christmas video! I am so glad that Laura Mae mentioned it again, because I had forgotten to go back and watch it when I had the chance. I have no idea how they hold some of those positions (you especially GnomeAnne). And was that apple cider actually pouring? How many rehearsals were there?!?

addams wrote:
MistyCat wrote:Did you know that if you Google "Missing young medieval manservant" you get error 404?


I did not get a 404 error message.
I got an off color joke...

Open at your own risk...
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Sitting in a bar the Scotsman says, "As good as this bar is, I still prefer the pubs back home. In Glasgow, there's a wee place. The landlord goes out of his way for the locals. When you buy four drinks, he'll buy the fifth drink."

"Well," said the Englishman, "At my local in London , the barman will buy you your third drink after you buy the first two."

"Ahhh, dat's nothin'," said the Irishman, "back home in my favorite pub, the moment you set foot in the place, they'll buy you a drink, then another, all the drinks you like, actually. Then, when you've had enough drinks, they'll take you upstairs and see that you gets laid, all on the house!"

The Englishman and Scotsman were suspicious of the claims. The Irishman swore every word was true. Then the Englishman asked, "Did this actually happen to you?"

"Not to me, personally, no," admitted the Irishman, "but it did happen to me sister quite a few times."
Bwahaha! That's not a half-bad joke to stumble across by accident.
I confess, I too actually googled "Missing young medieval manservant", and was disappointed. The joke is that you'll get 404: Page not found. Now, my memory could be totally inventing this, but I think once upon a time, that was an actual Google Easter egg if you used the "I'm feeling Lucky" button.


Hi TheGhost! Randallspeed on your blitz!


ggh wrote:Welcome New Yip! Ding Dong Ding DONG!
Retrieve arms

You have to be more specific.
Where do you want to retrieve the arms from? (hint: they're on the desk)
Hmm, so any ideas where this came from? I was totally wrong about the Coincidence connection - oops. Apparently the similar phrasing of that post was just a coincidence. Thunk mentioned retrieving arms twice, but both times was specific about the location (from a shelf and from a chest) so maybe thunk's suggestion was just a coincidence. Or maybe it was thunk, but her chosen locations didn't jive with the scene so they didn't count. Anyways, if anyone gets a suggestion to go through somehow, I'd love to hear about it.

The Time to ONG came down to 31 hours, so that's nice too. :)


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 standing in the middle. Sandcastle Builder had Molpied Down for the final time, and the Idleans had their King. "That should put your hotdogs into perspective," said Mrorl, and no one knew whether he meant Sandcastle Builder itself, or the King's pursuit of Hotdiggity sport. In either case, the self-paradoxical, meta-contradictory, algorithm of illogic had done its job well.
  "And now," Mrorl concluded, "good Lady Padashii, if you will take your seat in the comfy chair we have provided, we can be on our way..."
---- <*:<$:The author wishes to thank @@Eternal``Density and all Sandcastle Builder contributors for filling that hotdog with such depth and complexity, barely half of which is mentioned in this tale.:>:>
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  #Footnotes#
  1. See [xkcd``207|http://xkcd.com/207], 2^{nd} panel.

I really enjoyed this, mrob - thanks! Very treeish :) Looking now at thing in its entirety - gee, I'm surprised how long it is. It just seemed to fly by at the Time. :)


SBN wrote:And Happy New Year, everyone.

I'm going to molpy down as soon as the neighbors run out of fireworks. Hoping it is soon.
Pr-emptiv heresy strike? Wishing you sweet dreams to start the New Yip.


balthasar_s wrote:ETA:
And also it's 2017.
And,
the bftf repay is confused by this.
From what I see it seems like it gets lost during the time between the year start and the ongtime of the first frame of the year.
Yay for new year debugging...
But it'll just be a few hours... you could let it slide, no?


18 frames into 2017, the new epilogue sequence is so far running the course predicted by hujackus - woot!


Last night I didn't pay attention to the wind forecast, and the greenhouse stood without the protection of the cargo net in a northerly gusting up to 137km/h, and survived nicely. :)
by ggh
Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:51 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
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Views: 47502641

Re: 1190: "Time"

Oh, phew! Thanks!

I think there's a TAT-colored I want to add somewhere....
What would you think of this:

    A TAT Artwork subcategory under Time After Time on the main page

    TAT Manips and TATColored subcategories under TAT Artwork

    current manips occupying the #10-spot under Time After Time relocated to those two categories

    mscha's TAT-coloreds, listed on the OTColored page relocated to TATColored

    links to TAT Manips and TATColored added to the bottom of the OTC Manips and OTColored pages respectively


The other thing I was thinking of for the wiki, was that it might be nice to have a place for current unsolved things, like:

    balthasar's current thingie
    mysteries of the various TATs
    Beanish
    the Epilogue sequence
    my Find-the-OTTers pic
    other things I can't recall offhand....


SBN wrote:They do pretty well. TGW is young and energetic, and likes to squeak her toys, but GHW is a shepherd, and prefers that the toys be kept safe and unharmed. (And of course, interprets any squeaking as evidence that they are being hurt.)

Neither wolpies nor toys were harmed, but GHW was rather stressed for awhile, as the toys were clearly being tortured and the humans weren't doing anything to stop it.
In general, for having 360 pounds of wolpy here, it was pretty calm.
Oh - I didn't know that was a shepherd thing! The Little Wonder's Dad's family used to have a shepherd that would play with squeaky toys and be simultaneously upset that they were squeaking. But that dog had a lot of issues, so I thought that that was just another one.
by ggh
Wed May 04, 2016 2:30 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
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Re: 1190: "Tine"

Go Chemo Man! Did you get someone else to do the shaving? Razors and Hiccups seem like a combo best left as a concept album.


mscha wrote:It's been a while since I had a look at that page... The explanation needs a lot of updating based on ggh's and especially hujackus' insights.
Even though we can now pretty much predict the epilogue sequence, I don't consider this mystery “solved”. We have no idea why the pattern is the way it is; I won't be happy until we have a (relatively) straightforward algorithm that generates this, and which is believable to have been put in place by the GLR or his minions.
I agree completely! I would be shocked if hujackus's prediction for 2017 didn't come true. It's such a lovely pattern. But 2018... we're going to get some new information there... maybe that'll lead to the breakthrough. I'm
Spoiler:
waiting for it.
mscha wrote:
ggh wrote:The graffiti: chirp and mustard
For some reason, this made me laugh harder than I've laughed in years! Good thing there was nobody around; I have no idea how I would explain that.
I had a good chuckle too. (Assuming that I'm right, and I might not be) these were the last words I figured out - partially because the pronunciation is hard for me, but mostly because I wasn't sure which characters I was looking at (I usually can't read graffiti in English). Anyways, I was absolutely convinced up to that moment that the graffiti would hold clues to the identity or identities of the mystery author and/or collaborators....


DrSamCarter wrote:I think ggh may have c-bar'ed when xe meant to backwards c-bar in the original text.
<snip>
Tip of an iceberg tine(?)
Oh Randal, it's true: I misspelled Time! :oops: Well that's embarrassing.


mrob, on his dice page, wrote:douse, analogous to "mouse" and "louse", is an alternative singular form of dice, for those of us who are of the "never-say-die" persuasion.
Brilliant!


thunk wrote:And ggh in the present: I don't think that ProtoBeanish is an abugida, but rather that rhotacized vowels are just written with an r, and the preceding schwa is omitted. But I haven't had the time to analyze the alphabet fully. At least unlike actual Beanish, it's only a script substitution and not actually a whole new language, which means we can actually figure out what the signs say. (sadly, not enough of a corpus in the OTC :()
That could be. I don't know anything about abugidas - I just read a wee bit when I was looking at the Beanish discussion. Other vowels are missing too, like in "of" and "is" but like I said, I've got a lousy ear for vowels, so someone else (maybe you?) is going to have to uncover any pattern for when it's appropriate to drop vowels. I dropped too many in the double dactyl. I know this, because taixzo struggled to read a few words of it.

Not only is a good thing for us that this is not a whole new language, but it makes total sense too. It's only 2983, and civilization hasn't crumbled yet, so there wouldn't be the isolated groups yet that might lead to rapidly changing languages. Lots of folks call for phonetic spelling nowadays, so having it come to pass isn't a huge leap.

Writing this way seems quite efficient, and maybe it would even have cognitive advantages, due to the treeish phonetic groupings. Did y'all notice the treeish phonetic groupings?
by ggh
Thu Dec 31, 2015 8:13 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
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Re: I hope.

Happy New Yip Everyone!

Eternal Density wrote:okay I took that out and I'm showing the total hits and I 'improved' the captcha text :D
Heehee :)

Eternal Density wrote:Speaking of steambottle, I kinda forgot about the song I was ottifying a wip or two ago. Looks like it won't be finished in time for the end of the yip. Not in my time-zone, at least. (The same goes for a chapter of fanfic I wanted to finish off this yip. :()
I find the end of the yip comes too quickly for me too. I really wanted to do a bit more on the epilogue before we get the new sequence, but, oops, it is nearly upon us, and making breakfast and a New Yip's playdate are going to eat away the newpix from now 'til then. I guess I just wanna say:

Gee, hujackus's prediction sure is cool. If you didn't get a chance to check it out yet, give it a gander now - it's uber-treeish.
I wasn't ever aspiring to predict the whole New Yip, but there was a little step I wanted to make, and I think it would still be a useful fallback position to have just in case. Last year, we learned that only one sequence is needed to know the other three. Ever since that step, I've hoped that this year would confirm that we only need the (base) frames at 0, 10 and 20 to get all the others. That hypothesis is explained better by hujackus than I could ever do in Fig 4 of the png I linked to above. Gotta run. Helicopter park awaits.
by ggh
Fri Jan 09, 2015 4:55 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
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2015 Epilogue musings and guesswork

Greetings from the basement! It's that time of year that I can't resist chiming in with a few epilogue thoughts, and then I have to disappear again for a while. The outside is very outsidey. There's the usual Stuff, and the Little Wonder's dad is still in NZ for a couple of weeks. A micromolpy invasion isn't helping any of it.

I've read to the present, but - yikes - I haven't properly ketchupped in over a hundred newpages. That's gonna have to wait, but for now I'd just like to wish everyone a Happy and Healthy 2015, and that goes double for SW with both fingers crossed.


So far, 2015 has shown the sequence:

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AECB DADC DC EDBA DECB CB DCAE
(I'm putting the spaces there to mark the symmetry-wise groupings.)

I believe that sequence reflects a few sloshers being added to a base sequence of:

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AECB BADC DC EDBA AECB CB DCAE

(spoilered for showing-my-work)
Spoiler:
Calling the D in the 5-slot a slosher is consistent with the groups typically containing 4 different frames. Flagging the D in the 15-spot seems like a good guess given that the frame offsets between the unsloshed 2013 sequences and the unsloshed 2014 sequences were uniform within groupings.

This would mean that if the same symmetries exist in 2015, the four unsloshed sequences will be:

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AECB BADC DC EDBA AECB CB DCAE
EABC ABCD CD DEAB EABC BC CDEA
CBAE DCBA AE BAED CBAE ED AEDC
BCEA CDAB EA ABDE BCEA DE EACD


I'd be lying if I said I understand the sloshing algorithm. At first I thought that it replaced doubled frames with D unless that wouldn't fix the problem, and would replace them with C instead if C fixed it, but that isn't quite right. In 2013 and 2014, doubled A, B and Cs always get sloshed with Ds and doubled Ds and Es always get sloshed with Cs. Is that the rule, or just how it happened to work out for those two years? I don't know, but until I get more data points, I'm just going to treat that as the rule.

That would give us the four sloshed sequences:

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AECB DADC DC EDBA DECB CB DCAE
EABC ABCD CD CEAB EABC BC DDEA  Where the leading E is replaced with a C on the 10th
CBAE DCBA DE BAED CBAE CD AEDC  Where the leading C is replaced with a D on the 21st-29th
BCEA CDAB EA DBDE BCEA DE CACD


These are my predictions for the sequences of 2015. If the 10s prove me wrong, maybe I'll take another crack at it in an edit before the 20s roll around. ;)

More patterns:
Spoiler:
Of the four monthly permutations of the epilogue, I have a fondness for the 20s because it descends quite neatly in the unsloshed versions. In 2013, it goes

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BAED CBAE ED AEDC BAED DC DCBA

which starts on B and descends for the first 8 frames, has a little hiccup where it holds for frame 9 and then descends on 10. Frame 11 has a jump to A, but from there it again descends through 8 frames (11-18), holds for one and drops one more. There is another jump at frame 21 to D, and descent for the rest. The 2014 20s follow the same pattern, but the three sections start at B, C and E:

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BAED CBAE ED CBAE DCBA AE EDCB

If you compare these two, as noted before, the first 10 frames are identical, then there is an offset of 2 for the next 10 and an offset of 1 for the last 4.

Then I looked at my predicted 2015 to see what the offset might be there. For

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CBAE DCBA AE BAED CBAE ED AEDC

the offset from 2014 is 1 for the first 10, -1 for the next 10 and 1 for the last 4. I don't know what the significance of these offsets is, if there is any, but it is funny how 2015 steals from the past two years: the first 10 frames of 2015 are the second 10 from 2014, and the next 14 are the first 14 from 2013. (Or maybe the last 4 of that 14 are coincidence, and I should just say the next 10.) Anyways, it made me feel a little silly for predicting the remaining 3 sequences by applying the symmetry and guessing how the sloshers behave, when I could just predict them by cutting and pasting from the appropriate chunks of the last two years....

So... what does it all mean? I still have no idea. A few musings though:

The sequence did change at the New Year, as we thought it would - last year wasn't a fluke. The epilogue may be counting the years in its own way, or there may be a really really slow message that our descendants can puzzle out. We don't know for sure it's deliberate. Maybe some of you out there who know computery stuff will know of some normal process that this will look like a natural side effect of.

Secondly, if my predictions come to pass, there is a lot less data here than we originally thought. At first, we saw 4 epilogue sequences per year, each with 24 frames - 96 letters for us to digest. The symmetry though would seem to make three sequences redundant, taking us back to 24. Now, with that 10-frame pattern looking pretty consistent, we're reduced to getting 2 or maybe 3 (are those last 4 letters an echo, or are they their own independent grouping?) pieces of information per year.

I may edit this post if new info comes to light, but for now, that's all I've got. Must coma.

-------------

Edit to bow to my robot overlord:
STARONG...
Image
by ggh
Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:08 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
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Re: 1190: "Time"

ZoomanSP wrote:
lmjb1964 wrote:I think I heard that someone besides Kieryn amd mrob met GLR. Was it you, Zooman?

Yes, that was me. See here, here, and here.

heeheeHEE! :)

bachaddict wrote:CueMegAll calls me Torterukcueette, Maxi-Executor of Larmel Waterfall. Molpish!
Then I opened an incognito tag and was Tornarsal, Quack-Viper of Antaphudros Sea.

I think I'm "understood, dangerous-empties of sandies fortune", but how can I be sure? I feel like I'm in the Matrix....
Oh... according to incognito I'm "Iqueaxryooz, Danger-Empress of Gandomique Vortex". ED's MustardRiver is definitely much more molpish than the one my poor sick kid is making me.


Loved the balthameme!


azule wrote:
ergman wrote:It's already given me a new sig quote.
*sigh of relief*

Teehee :)


AAAAAAAAA! I just missed it! I clicked too early, and got the balthatimer at 00:00:01. :(


Do we have a place for collecting unsolved mysteries? I like to chew on them now and then. Why did the epilogue sequence change on the New Year? What was on Rosetta's desk? t1i... t1i... "The Return of 'It': Someone's Inside!"? Maybe not....
by ggh
Fri May 16, 2014 4:00 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Neil_Boekend wrote:@ ggh I'd like a magnet, although I have no idea what to send back. All my Time related stuff is digital.
I'll probably come up with something though. Hmm, what's your tshirt size? I found me a company that mumble mumble mumble.
I'll send ya the address on PM so it isn't spambottable.
There's definitely no need to send anything back, though I admit I think it would be fun to receive an envelope or two from far-flung places.

DrSamCarter wrote:
AluisioASG wrote:(What happened to the sea meeting anyway?)

I did quite like this idea, using any water that connected to sea, and perhaps on a day rather than at a completely synchronous time. Perhaps for the anniversary of the epilogue sequence (I nearly said something else, but caught it in time)?
Hey, I like it! Once I realized that we were spread out too far in latitudes to all do it during reasonable hours, I kinda gave up. But this could work....

yappobiscuits wrote:
ggh wrote:
Spoiler:
Somemolpy else wrote:
Somemolpy wrote:I haven't gone mad yet. I promise.

Image If you haven't gone mad yet you're doing something wrong.

Ohhh I remember this one. But not who it was. Just that the first person was a revealer the recent and the second was a regular... I'm gonna take a guess and say Link and HES?
Not bad - half right. :)


It was fun seeing my Hallowe'en card being UNGed, and doubly treeish for me because I don't think I knew that that was when the molpy appeared when I put molpy-eyes in it.

MistyCat wrote:In an attempt to remain RELATED, I would like to mention that the current page number is also the date of my birth. Yay me.
Spoiler:
On an unrelated note, (we old people do this, in between lamenting the behaviour and morals of the youth of today and ordering aforementioned from the turfed area between our residences and the sidewalk/footpath), I feel strangely compelled to mention the Time when I was about 6 years old and found that July 14th (my birthday) was a day of national celebration. Being unaware of the world outside New Zealand (the place I am privileged to call my home), I drew the obvious conclusion that the celebration was for me. Arrogant little ch*rper I was.

A thought strikes me. I'll be kind to it, because it's in a strange place.

Hands up everymolpy who didn't know that le quatorze Juliliet was Bastille day.
OK, now, who didn't know that the Bastille is/was a castle? RELATED

Kids nowadays, I don't know, what do they teach them in schools?
Not to stay off my my lawn, that's for sure.

Harrumph.

Happy BirthNP! And I'm ashamed that I didn't know which day Bastille Day was, despite the fact that when I was growing up, every year my brother used to call my folks on their anniversary and wish them "Happy Bastille Day!"


Wow. Hard to imagine drowning in a flood of molasses. must. stop. trying.

AluisioASG wrote:
ChronosDragon wrote:Oh wait, sorry, that's Abraham Lincoln. […] AFAIK he doesn't do much vampire slaying, at least not in this timeline.

Thank Randall. I went to watch that movie on theaters because the trailer said there was Linkin Park music on it. On the end credits.

ggh wrote:Hint: their post counts are orders of magnitude apart.

BlitzGirl and GingerCat?
Not bad - half right. :)

Don't get me started on trailers - they make me so angry! (In a first-world problems kinda way) I think if something is in a trailer and it's not in the movie, any viewer should be able to get a total refund on the grounds of false advertising - whether of not they liked the movie in the end.

jimbobmacdoodle wrote:Ggh - are magnets available to the not-so-frequent posters like myself?
Of course!


Ergman - treeish!


And a teeheeheeHES, too! (Would that be THHH or TH3?)
by ggh
Fri Mar 14, 2014 12:31 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
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Re: 1190: "Time"

BlitzGirl wrote:
lmjb1964 wrote:I really really need to coma.

Me too, I've been adding smileys like a madmome. Molpy down. Image

*looks*

*still looking*

*whistles softly*


mrob27 wrote:Though the 'meetup geohash' theory is dead, the epilogue sequence continues to inspire poetry, and @ggh noticed that the four 24-symbol patterns avoid each other when superimposed.

Until recently, I still held out hope that a message for us about a meetup was hidden in the epilogue. That hope was strengthened when the sequences changed for 2014 - I thought maybe the date had come and gone without us having figured it out, so GLR was pushing the date to something that wouldn't require time travel. Then, at the end of January, I was sad to see how much pattern and symmetry was present in the sequences, because now I doubt that there is room leftover in which to hide a message. I should make a post about it before too much Time passes. I've pretty much given up, but it would be awesomeful if some blitzer (hint, hint) identified the folly of my ways and discovered a prize. :)
by ggh
Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:09 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
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Re: 1190: "Time"

hujackus wrote:So I put up my explanation of the epilogue on the wiki. I was wondering if anyone around had any thoughts or extra information. I'll copypasta it here for the lols.
http://xkcd-time.wikia.com/wiki/The_Epilogue
Spoiler:
The pattern of frames after 2013-07-27T03:00+0:00 depends on a hash of the following numbers (in UTC zulu time):
1. The one's place of the year
2. The ten's place of the day
3. The two-digit hour of day (00-23)

So to get the current frame letter, take the current date and truncate it leaving only the above information. Then look at the following table to determine the frame letter. (Frames 3090-3094 are labelled A-E)
YDHH | Frame Letter Each Hour (00-23)
3000 to 3023 | EDBADECBCBDCAECDBABABADC
3100 to 3123 | CEABEABCBCDDEADEABABABCD
3200 to 3223 | BAEDCBAECDAEDCBAEDCCDCBA
3300 to 3323 | ABDEBCEADECACDABDECDCDAB
4000 to 4023 | EDBADECBCBAECBDADCDCDBED
4100 to 4123 | DEABEABCBCEABCABCDCDBCDE
4200 to 4223 | DAEDCBAECDCBAEDCBADECDCB
4300 to 4323 | ABDEBCEADEBCEACDABEADEBC

Example: 2013-07-27T03:00+0:00 is truncated to 3203 which corresponds to BAEDCBAECDAEDCBAEDCCDCBA. 03 is the 4th hour of the day so the frame letter is 'D'.

Currently there are four exceptions to the above pattern:
1. In 2013, the first hour of the 10th day of every month is 'D'.
2. In 2013, the first hour of the 30th day of every month is 'D'.
3. In 2014, the first hour of the 10th day of every month is 'C'.
4. In 2014, the first hour of the 20th day of every month is 'B'.

Example: 2013-12-10T00:00+0:00 should be 'C', but because of exception #1, it is 'D'.

The hash function is not known exactly. It may include other digits of the year and we won't know for sure until 2020 unless someone figures it out before then. It is anybody’s guess what the four patterns will be in 2015 and after.

Sorry so delayed in responding, but welcome aboard, hujackus! and thanks for putting your thoughts on the wiki! When I made that page, I was hoping to link in all the discussion that's been going on, but I only ever got around to linking mscha's page. I still intend to include the other stuff at some point, but... that's for another day.

Your explanation is very nicely stated - cheers! If I'm reading it right, it's saying what mscha says on his page, correct? - except your version is written more formally in computerese. Your choice of the term hash instead of sequence, though, made me wonder: are you hinting that there may be a connection between the epilogue sequences and the hashes that formed the addresses for Time's frames?


ETA: ah yes, addams, that seemed pretty random, no? A few papacies back, ED was looking for things to do on the internet that there might be demand for and a possibility of profit. After giving his awesome hotdog to us, and then to the world, for free, he certainly should be getting some moolah in return somehow. Hmm. Who knows if you'll even see this edit? I'm going to continue this in another post.
by ggh
Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:18 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
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more epilogue musings about deviance

Blindposting. Sorry.
mscha wrote:We now have:

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ABDEBCEADEBCEACDABEADEBC
A

Spoiler:
Your prediction was:

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ABDEBCEADEDCEACDABABEEBC
          *       ***

Mine was:

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DBDEBCEADEDCEABCABEADABC
*         *   **     *
(But the 30th starting with an A.)
So you have 4 mistakes, and I have 5. You win.

And this theory:
mscha wrote:Remember, so far:
  • in the noughts, the first ONG was the same as last yip
  • in the teens, the first ONG was one past the one last yip (but the very first one matched the regular first one of last yip)
  • in the twenties, the first ONG was two past the one last yip (but the very first one matched the regular first one of last yip)
so it figures that:
  • in the thirties, the first ONG will be three past the one last yip (but the very first one matches the regular first one of last yip)
In other words, I'm predicting:

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ABDEBCEADE..............
DBDEBCEADE..............
can be thrown in the trashcan.

I'll be happy when I've got the software I'm used to, and I can go back to looking for patterns in this. I thought I had identified a few, but that string of mistakes in my guess threw out a big chunk. :( It was dumb luck that I did as well as I did on the 20s, because I was using the same idea.


About those deviant Ds (and Cs)... we thought those might be just to break up doubles, and then something seemed to disagree with that, but if we loosen up our idea of where those seemingly wrong frames may be used, I think it works again. In this spirit, I propose that the 2013 tens sequence is actually:

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DEABEABCBCDDEADEABABABCD
It's the C's of the 2nd through 10th instance that are deviant. Maybe let's change the description "deviant", because I think these frames are doing a job; how about "sloshers"? After all, these frames keep the water from standing still. :) So, because this sequence ends in D, the first ONG then becomes a slosher C for the next nine days. As an aside, this gives the first 4 ONGs of the 2013 sequences a beautiful symmetry:

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EDBA
DEAB
BAED
ABDE
Then we look at 2014, and see, presto! the same exact starts to the sequences, except the sloshers are different because the ends of the sequences are different. In 2014, it's the 20s that are tricksy with the first iteration being pure, and the second through tenth beginning with a slosher.

If the slosher algorithm is to prevent repeated frames by first trying to substitute in a D, but using a C if that would be more effective, then that also fits with the C that began the Epilogue after ABCDE were revealed: that ONG was meant to be an E, but it followed an E, and the next scheduled ONG was D.

That poses an interesting question though, because that ONG is not at midnight: could sloshers be at work anywhere? I had thought before that the two existing repeats were important, because randomness would probably result in more, and a planned pattern would probably lead to none. Now, however, I look at those repeats and see that they involve... wait for it... Cs and Ds! They appear in such combinations that the slosher algorithm suggested above could not prevent the repeats.

So, what does that mean? Mustard? Something? Nothing?

Okay, gotta run. Sure would love to see slinches' treeish coloured boxes revisited, with an eye to finding more symmetries that might have been interrupted by sloshers.


ETA: Just looked back at slinches' boxes and yes, there are sloshers everywhere in the 2013 sequences. Without them, there would be 5 symmetric 4x4 blocks. The remaining 4 ONG are 2 groups of 2 that look like half-blocks, but don't match each other. Coincidence that these half-blocks coincide with the repeats? Also, coincidence that the first half-block ends at 10 ONGs in, and the 2014 sequences are different after 10 ONGs? I wish I had time to look at 2014 now, but I don't.
by ggh
Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:44 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
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Re: because it's fun to guess

mscha wrote:
Spoiler:
ggh wrote:
mscha wrote:
ggh wrote:Dropping in to venture a guess regarding the 2014 epilogue sequence for the 20s:

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CAEDCBAECDCBAEECBADEEDCB

I haven't figured out any pattern, but I'm trying to pick letters by eliminating those already being used and those that might be in a transposition of the phantom fifth. The two pairs of repeats seems unlikely though. If I get half of them right, I'll be delighted. If I get 80% of them wrong, I won't be surprised.

Well, you're off to a good start. First one is a ‘B’. Image
(So that is unchanged from the 2013 version, just like the noughts, but unlike the teens.)


Trustedly mustardly
Tho my predictions are
sure to be laughable
from word begin,

as I'm the only to
offer a guess this time
monopolistic'ly
surely I win. ;)

Your prediction wasn't too bad, in the end. Indeed, you won. Image

Yippee!
There was a fair bit of luck in there tho. Maybe I should buy a Lotto ticket today....
mscha wrote:The actual “twenties” cycle of 2014, compared to your prediction:

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DAEDCBAECDCBAEDCBADECDCB
CAEDCBAECDCBAEECBADEEDCB
*             *     *   

Only three mistakes!

And we have an deviant first frame!

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BAEDCBAECDCBAEDCBADECDCB
D

Assuming the rules don't change – again... We'll know more in 24 nopix.
Spoiler:
So what do we have now?

The “noughties”, 2013 vs 2014:

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EDBADECBCBDCAECDBABABADC
EDBADECBCBAECBDADCDCDBED
000000000022221222222111

The “teens”, 2013 vs 2014:

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CEABEABCBCDDEADEABABABCD
DEABEABCBCEABCABCDCDBCDE
100000000012222222221111

The “twenties”, 2013 vs 2014:

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BAEDCBAECDAEDCBAEDCCDCBA
DAEDCBAECDCBAEDCBADECDCB
200000000022222222124111

The “thirties”, only 2013 so far:

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ABDEBCEADECACDABDECDCDAB


So for the first time we have a shift of 4 (or minus one; D to C) in one of the frames. For the rest, the shift patterns are similar, and we're still no closer to an explanation of it, or the differences between them.
We don't have an deviant first frame in the “twenties” (just like in 2013).

So far, we have one in the “teens” in both years (2013: C becomes D, 2014: D becomes C), in the “twenties” in 2014 (D becomes B), and in the “thirties” in 2013 (A becomes D, 2014: ???).
There goes our theory that the deviant frame is needed to prevent two identical frames in a row – that would not have been the case this time.

I'm not entirely ready to give up that theory yet. In fact, I'll go as far as to propose that the first letter of this sequence is B, as it was in 2013, and that the D is deviant because this sequence ends in B. The reason I had guessed that the first letter would change from B was because I felt that the most likely final letter was B. So, for a day at least, I'm going to cling to the notion that deviance isn't limited to the first instance of the sequence.
mscha wrote:What will happen in the “thirties” in 2014? Absolutely no idea,
And what will happen when we skip the “thirties” and go directly from the “twenties” in February to the “Noughts” in March? Beats me.

ETA one more observation:
the deviant frames in 2014 at YYYY-MM-10 00:00:00 and YYYY-MM-20 00:00:00 (and the non-deviant one at YYYY-MM-01 00:00:00) all match the ‘regular’ frame in the corresponding 2013 version of the cycle.
If this holds true, then whatever the 2014 version of the “thirties” cycle is, on the 30th at Midnight UTC, we'll get an A.
(And probably, the deviant frames in 2013 match the (virtual) 2012 versions of the cycles.)

That's pretty treeish. Think we'll eventually be able to figure out what the sequence was last year? Any year? Maybe it'll converge on something around the time of Time. :)

I'm not too fussed about my first error because I have no clue what's going on in those overconstrained positions, and in the case of the last error, I'm happy because C was my second choice for that spot. But that middle mistake... hmm.... D does not fit with my ideas at all. :( Back to the drawing board.


Also, tyres, boot, bonnet, windscreen, petrol station!
by ggh
Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:10 am UTC
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Re: because it's fun to guess

mscha wrote:
ggh wrote:Dropping in to venture a guess regarding the 2014 epilogue sequence for the 20s:

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CAEDCBAECDCBAEECBADEEDCB

I haven't figured out any pattern, but I'm trying to pick letters by eliminating those already being used and those that might be in a transposition of the phantom fifth. The two pairs of repeats seems unlikely though. If I get half of them right, I'll be delighted. If I get 80% of them wrong, I won't be surprised.

Well, you're off to a good start. First one is a ‘B’. Image
(So that is unchanged from the 2013 version, just like the noughts, but unlike the teens.)


Trustedly mustardly
Tho my predictions are
sure to be laughable
from word begin,

as I'm the only to
offer a guess this time
monopolistic'ly
surely I win. ;)
by ggh
Sun Jan 19, 2014 9:38 pm UTC
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because it's fun to guess

Dropping in to venture a guess regarding the 2014 epilogue sequence for the 20s:

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CAEDCBAECDCBAEECBADEEDCB

I haven't figured out any pattern, but I'm trying to pick letters by eliminating those already being used and those that might be in a transposition of the phantom fifth. The two pairs of repeats seems unlikely though. If I get half of them right, I'll be delighted. If I get 80% of them wrong, I won't be surprised.

Daddy will be staying another week! Good for me and the Little Wonder! But my ketchup shall be delayed at least another week. Could be a lot longer too because my MacBook may be finally dead now, having been struck down by some of Wellington's horizontal rain and a window a cue away. The ancient iBook I'm using struggles for all but the simplest of webpages.

I'm about to try to light 40 candles on a cake for the Daddy. If I never post again, I burnt down the house.
by ggh
Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:36 pm UTC
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Re: 1190: "Time"

ChronosDragon wrote:
Warning: Huge (~5000 pixel) png below
Spoiler:
Image


Decree: What is consciousness? Provide a definition that is 1) not self-referential and, for an extra challenge, 2) applies only to human/biological entities (as an exercise, regardless of whether or not you believe mechanical substrates can be conscious)

ooh, purty!

I think "consciousness" is a bs word. I mean, the medical sense is okay, in that it provides a word for if an entity is giving evidence that s/he is aware of surroundings, but the philosophical term is a cop-out. It's convenient to have a word that coincides with whether something is sad when it's injured. but then our definitions of consciousness reflect the set of objects we don't feel comfortable with injuring. It's circular.

Forgive me: I talk a lot of mustard. And when the pope gives me an excuse....



About the epilogue... specifically about the leading D's, and maybe the leading C:
There aren't many repeats. The tens sequence has two Ds in a row, and the twenties sequence has two Cs, but that's it. I'd expect more repeats from a random sequence. I don't know what's special about the repeats, but I feel like something has to be. Looking at 2013, the last letter of the aughts is a C and the first of the tens is a C as well, so there would be consecutive Cs between the 9th and 10th of the month, except that the Deviant D prevents the repeat. The same thing happens when the twenties end with A and the thirties begin with A; again the Deviant D intervenes. I think that's why those Ds are there, either to break up repeats that aren't part of The Plan, or because the pattern is not so much the frames themselves as it is the derivative of the frames.

With the new 2014 variants of the sequences, the aughts now end with a D. As mscha pointed out, it's hard to tell at this point if the tens start with a C or D. C seems to make sense, because it would match the 2013 tens sequence, and that's consistent with what we've seen with the aughts. On the other hand, if, for some reason, the tens now start with a D, that would produce a double D, and a starting Deviant D can't break that up, thus perhaps justifying a Singular C.

Guess I'll coma now and get ready to discard this thought in ten hours....
by ggh
Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:45 am UTC
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Re: 1190: "Time"

slinches wrote:
mscha wrote:Last chance to guess predict what the epilogue sequence is going to do at 2014-01-10 00:00:00 UTC.
New pattern? If so, what will it be?
Will the very first frame be outside the sequence again? And if so, will it be a ‘D’?

Anyone who gets this right in the next 0.9 nopix wins the epilogue sequence.

My prediction is that it will continue to follow the pattern of starting every other block with "D" and the same transformation from this post will be applied to give:

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DEABEABCBCAABCEBCDCDCCDE
CEABEABCBCAABCEBCDCDCCDE
...

Of course if it does this we learn basically nothing new, so I hope it does something else.

ETA: I hope it does what HES says below.

No D! C! Even if it does the same from here on in, we may get to find out something new. :)
by ggh
Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:29 am UTC
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Re: 1190: "Time"

mscha wrote:Luckily, time has restarted again, at around 18:00 UTC (1 pm RST).
But I just noticed that
the epilogue sequence changed!

The usual cycle for the 1st through 9th of the month was:

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EDBADECBCBDCAECDBABABADC

But as of 2014-01-01 00:00 UTC, it is:

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EDBADECBCBAECBDADCDCDBED

The first 10 frames are the same, then things start to diverge. What this means? I've still got no clue. There must be some logic to this. (The change happened before the stoppage of time, so that was probably unrelated.)

I've made some changes to the cycle coloring logic on the epilogue page, so that the new cycle (and those from the 10th, 20th and 30th on?) show up in new colors.
I'll leave any epilogue poetry updates to BlitzGirl.

Yay! for more analysis! and
Yay! for more poetry!
by ggh
Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:39 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Loved the OTTherComic BlitzGirl!


Ah, ED, now I understand what you meant about waking up in 3 hours for glass storage.... I'm afraid I lack your resolve tonight.
Ah, the treebuckets! That's why 1.41 was making slightly fewer castles. Gee, that means they're not doing much. Hmmm.
Oh, by the way, I forgot to mention, I think there's a little mustard in your Irregular Rivers description - it says it "Waves" are multiplied. (Which reminds me, my Waves are pretty lazy - they don't do near as much as my Scaffolds. Am I missing a Boost? I have Big Splash and Surfbot. Gee, but I don't have anything like Surfbot for Rivers. Should I?)


And in Epilogue news, the latest sequence only lasted 1 day, instead of its usual 2. This would seem to confirm mscha's hypothesis that the sequence is determined by the tens place of the day of the month.
by ggh
Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:25 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
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Re: 1190: "Time"

I was playing around with the epilogue sequences again, and here's another visualization. It's quite like the one that slinches did, except that instead of the four horizontal rows representing the different end sequences with the component letters changing, here the horizontal positions represent the five frames with the four coloured lines being the end sequences weaving together those frames. Red is the sequence for the beginning of the month, yellow is from the 10th to the the 19th, green is from the 20th to 29th and blue is the sequence at the end of the month.
Image
This graph has A at the lowest position and rises to E at the top. Now, arguably, ABCDE could very well be interpreted as a loop, in which case BCDEA or DEABC would make just as valid patterns, so here are graphs centered around the other four frames:
Spoiler:
Image
BCDEA from bottom to top
Image
CDEAB from bottom to top
Image
DEABC from bottom to top
Image
EABCD from bottom to top

If you remove the constraint that there be only five positions, so that each sequence is happily bobbing up and down on a sea of ABCDEABCDEABCDE and so on, and graph the sequences such that no more than one frame is skipped - firefox, D goes up to A, not down - you get:
Image
which looks pretty random to me.

On the other hand, there is an imperfect tendency to a symmetry that looks suspicious. If the graphs are recentered upon three hours earlier, rotated 180 degrees, and overlayed, you get:
Image
You can see sections where they overlay quite closely (and some bits where they'd be closer if I'd have drawn them more accurately). Red is kinda misbehaved though. Here they are separately, for clearer viewing:
Spoiler:
Image
Image
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Lastly, here is the phantom fifth epilogue sequence, where the purple dots are the frames that are not used in any time slot. Dots with the centers punched out are either where more than one frame is unrepresented at a time, or that odd D that shows up at the changing of the sequence every other time.
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Seems like some kinda pattern to me.


So, what does any of this mean? Chirped if I know.


This spoiler is completely redundant, unless the right side of the images are being cut off, like they are in my browser....
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by ggh
Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:49 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
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Re: phantom fifth epilogue sequence?

ggh wrote:I was looking at mscha's wonderful records, and this may mean nothing, but I was thinking that some parts of the epilogue sequences have odd pairings: one sequence has a BABABA where another has an ABABAB, and another has DCDABAB coinciding with CDCBABA. Furthermore, if you look at all four together, much more often than not, they have four different letters, which is statistically weird, no?

That makes a phantom fifth sequence of the missing letters:
CCADDDnAnBBBECCCnEEEEEDC
where the n's are the ambiguous letters because the existing four sequences only contain 3 letters total (BCCD, ACDD and ABCC).

I wouldn't expect this fifth sequence to ever actually appear, because it has so many repeats, but could it mean something? Maybe a clue as to how the sequences are generated, or maybe a puzzle? I dunno. Just throwing it out there. I find it also interesting that the few stray letters we've had that don't fit any of the existing sequences do fit the phantom fifth.

If there's a secret to be revealed, you lot will reveal it! And whether there is or not, I'm hoping we may all get another spectacular BlitzGirl poem. :)



ETA: ooh pope! Yay! Please post poetry! Or continue with Aluisio's excellent decree from the last page.
Or combine them!
Like:
Here lies Rule110
Always clever.
Mentioned his prostate...
His last post ever.


Please come back to kick my ass, Rule110! I don't know how many times I read a really well-thought out and written post, and scrolled back up to see... your avatar, once again.


Edit: to fix my spelling of prostate. Also, "ever" should be changed to "up 'til this page", but alas, that doesn't rhyme or scan.


Right, so ergman, this is to distract you. I've been horrible at getting back to Tarot cards, even though I mean to, and I have a list of ones I want to do, so while you're waiting, figure out what the epilogue sequence means! :P

A further development I meant to mention before about this pattern, is that if you shift the start-time (which mscha did after I wrote this) the phantom fifth is:
DCCCADDDnAnBBBECCCnEEEEE

If you then chuck that first D, which seems like it has some other role from the way that it appears, you get:

nCCCADDDnAnBBBECCCnEEEEE

which is way too patterned to be coincidence. Notice how the third section is just a transposed version of the first.

Also, check out this great analysis from slinches.


Rule110, I left my poem in this quote to show you that I went back and edited to spell prostate correctly. :)
by ggh
Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:22 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Wowterful pelrigg! Not only a great tale, but an absolution for our referred guilt over taking the maps - steakish!

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I also noticed that mscha has updated his site to make the epilogue sequence lines start 2 hours earlier, so that the iterations line up with the lines now. Also, he added this note at the bottom:
mscha wrote:At time of writing, all sequences have ended at 23:00 UTC, and all but the first have started either at 0:00 or 1:00 UTC. In the latter case, the length on the sequence is one short of a multiple of 24, and the first, ‘deviant’, frame at 0:00 UTC is always a D.
After four different cycles, we appear to have restarted with the first cycle, followed by the second one, etcetera. It might be the case that the cycle is only determined by the ‘tens’ of the day of the month (UTC).

I'm not sure if that was just added, or if I just didn't notice it last time. I was thinking that it was likely a repeated monthly pattern, but hadn't made the connection to the first digit of the date. If that's the case though, and it seems likely, there's no hidden code to figure out in the pattern of repetitions. Sad. There may still be something within the sequences.

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And for the pope: books, especially hobby books, and then the hobby never gets off the ground. Beekeeping, glass-slumping, daytrading, food fermentation - these are some of the most recent. The score for these categories is books: 16 - implementations: 0.
by ggh
Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:46 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
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Re: 1190: "Time"

BlitzGirl wrote:
ggh wrote:Another epilogue note is that the colours on mscha's site have changed so that each rhyme scheme has its own colour - very nice! It makes it easier to see what's going on, and better yet, means that mscha is alive and well, even if he hasn't had enough Time to be here lately. :)

I can't see any colors. :( All of the letters appear gray now.

Here? That's strange; I'm seeing blue, yellow, green, and purple. Btw, I'm loving your sketches!

Another thought about the epilogue sequence: since the last rhyme-schemes lasted 9, 10, 10, and 2 days, September is starting in the same place that August did. Perhaps the three cycles of the first one was just filler because we were at the end of the month. We'll have some idea in a month's time if one of the rhyme-schemes gets shorter by a day to fit in the 30 days of September.
by ggh
Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:35 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Five bucks says there will be another chapter.


ETA: ooh, and the epilogue sequence has changed again after 2 repetitions. Since this rhyme scheme lasted two cycles last time too, maybe we're going to see the whole thing repeating now. The numbers of repeated cycles is now 3, 2, 9, 10, 10, 2.

Another epilogue note is that the colours on mscha's site have changed so that each rhyme scheme has its own colour - very nice! It makes it easier to see what's going on, and better yet, means that mscha is alive and well, even if he hasn't had enough Time to be here lately. :)
by ggh
Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:44 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
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Re: 1190: "Time"

intheshax wrote:If I get around to it, I'll make one more post for posterity with all the parts and solutions and steps in one place. But also I might have posted enough about one lousy puzzle, so maybe I won't get around to it.

On a final note: I said it wouldn't count if you posted about it here, so without going into detail I'll say that I followed my own papal decree from NP1390. I usually like credit (as you can tell) so that's good exercise.


Not to pressure you, but if you do make that post for posterity, I will enjoy reading it. Alas, I did no more than spectate, but I did find the whole thing pretty treeish. Someday I'd like to be able to put together a nice puzzle...

As for your decree: nice job! I haven't done it yet, but I will, and, because I also crave appreciation, I will let you know.

Sciscitor! For some reason, I don't think I had been to your page yet - wowterful! I love the little mini-graphs of posting activity. My memory of who was around when on the thread gets pretty distorted, so being able to see that quickly is especially neat (and often surprising).

slinches wrote:
Spoiler:
ggh wrote:I was looking at mscha's wonderful records, and this may mean nothing, but I was thinking that some parts of the epilogue sequences have odd pairings: one sequence has a BABABA where another has an ABABAB, and another has DCDABAB coinciding with CDCBABA. Furthermore, if you look at all four together, much more often than not, they have four different letters, which is statistically weird, no?

That makes a phantom fifth sequence of the missing letters:
CCADDDnAnBBBECCCnEEEEEDC
where the n's are the ambiguous letters because the existing four sequences only contain 3 letters total (BCCD, ACDD and ABCC).

I wouldn't expect this fifth sequence to ever actually appear, because it has so many repeats, but could it mean something? Maybe a clue as to how the sequences are generated, or maybe a puzzle? I dunno. Just throwing it out there. I find it also interesting that the few stray letters we've had that don't fit any of the existing sequences do fit the phantom fifth.

If there's a secret to be revealed, you lot will reveal it! And whether there is or not, I'm hoping we may all get another spectacular BlitzGirl poem. :)

I've been puzzling over that quite a bit as well and all I could come up with is that there's a heavy bias (~64% of the time) toward the next frame being adjacent. This could just be an attempt to maintain a smooth1 animation and there are larger jumps at random spots because he's using a Gaussian random walk algorithm to accomplish that. If he'd used a standard random walk, I think the sequences could end up walking2 all over each other making it more difficult to identify the sequences.

Anyway, we should know whether the 03/29/14 date theory is correct in about 6 hours. It'll be interesting to see what follows either way.

Yes, that makes sense. I guess it's not quite centered on neighbours since there are those rare repeated Cs and D's.
Here are the number of times each pair of letters appears in the four established sequences:
AB 1 3 2 5 = 11
BA 4 1 4 2 = 11
AC 0 1 0 0 = 1
CA 0 1 1 0 = 2
AD 0 1 2 1 = 4
DA 1 2 0 0 = 3
AE 4 0 1 0 = 5
EA 0 1 0 4 = 5
BC 0 1 1 3 = 5
CB 3 0 2 1 = 6
BD 0 2 1 0 = 3
DB 0 0 2 0 = 2
BE 0 0 0 1 = 1
EB 0 1 0 0 = 1
CD 2 3 1 2 = 8
DC 4 1 2 1 = 8
CE 0 1 1 1 = 3
EC 1 2 2 0 = 5
DE 0 3 1 2 = 6
ED 3 0 1 0 = 4
CC 1 0 0 0 = 1
DD 0 0 0 1 = 1
If you throw in the non-sequence-fitting frames, you get an extra DE, AD, DB and two CDs.

I'm not currently thinking there's any significance in this distribution, other than artistic stability, as you've said, but I'm throwing it out there as data in case anyone sees anything else in it.

ETA: balthasar_s, Wow!
by ggh
Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:18 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1190: "Time"
Replies: 107020
Views: 47502641

phantom fifth epilogue sequence?

I was looking at mscha's wonderful records, and this may mean nothing, but I was thinking that some parts of the epilogue sequences have odd pairings: one sequence has a BABABA where another has an ABABAB, and another has DCDABAB coinciding with CDCBABA. Furthermore, if you look at all four together, much more often than not, they have four different letters, which is statistically weird, no?

That makes a phantom fifth sequence of the missing letters:
CCADDDnAnBBBECCCnEEEEEDC
where the n's are the ambiguous letters because the existing four sequences only contain 3 letters total (BCCD, ACDD and ABCC).

I wouldn't expect this fifth sequence to ever actually appear, because it has so many repeats, but could it mean something? Maybe a clue as to how the sequences are generated, or maybe a puzzle? I dunno. Just throwing it out there. I find it also interesting that the few stray letters we've had that don't fit any of the existing sequences do fit the phantom fifth.

If there's a secret to be revealed, you lot will reveal it! And whether there is or not, I'm hoping we may all get another spectacular BlitzGirl poem. :)



ETA: ooh pope! Yay! Please post poetry! Or continue with Aluisio's excellent decree from the last page.
Or combine them!
Like:
Here lies Rule110
Always clever.
Mentioned his prostate...
His last post ever.


Please come back to kick my ass, Rule110! I don't know how many times I read a really well-thought out and written post, and scrolled back up to see... your avatar, once again.


Edit: to fix my spelling of prostate. Also, "ever" should be changed to "up 'til this page", but alas, that doesn't rhyme or scan.

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