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by hawkinsssable
Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:23 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Gun Control
Replies: 2237
Views: 367213

Re: Gun Control

now, it's pretty easy to look at biology and show that pit bulls are on average more dangerous than labradors, so it would make sense to jump on the anti-pit bull wagon at first glance. so, from a purely biological stance it would make sense to just ban all pit bulls because they are physically mor...
by hawkinsssable
Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:04 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Gun Control
Replies: 2237
Views: 367213

Re: Gun Control

Now let's say you're in charge of restrictions on different kinds of pet ownership, ie deciding which animals require additional hurdles to adopt as a pet (venomous and restricting snakes, for example, require special licenses and specific previous experience looking after dangerous snakes) and whi...
by hawkinsssable
Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:54 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Gun Control
Replies: 2237
Views: 367213

Re: Gun Control

the second part of this is agreeable in that it describes what is going on here. however, the distinction between the two uses is hugely important to the topic at hand right now. when speaking of legislation based on the term "dangerous" you want to use the first interpretation...the one ...
by hawkinsssable
Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:21 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Gun Control
Replies: 2237
Views: 367213

Re: Gun Control

Off-topic: it's nit, not knit. Nitpicking used to mean searching a head for lice eggs, AKA nits. These days, of course, we have shampoo. Go science . Quit splitting hares, sheesh. (is it more or less embarrassing if I admit that I I thought 'nits' was spelt 'knits'? I agree that hand-guns are proba...
by hawkinsssable
Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:04 pm UTC
Forum: Movies and TV Shows
Topic: The Hobbit
Replies: 217
Views: 81114

Re: The Hobbit

A very interesting critique, but I will say for me, without a lot of those modern fantasy/storytelling tropes I'd find The Hobbit (and the LOTR films) as dry and frequently indigestible as Tolkien's prose. I think it needs those tropes, though in The Hobbit they're probably not as successfully impl...
by hawkinsssable
Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:48 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Gun Control
Replies: 2237
Views: 367213

Re: Gun Control

I've addressed a lot of this over the past couple pages, in a study by study detail, but the issues with the model are pretty handily circumvented by observing that those going over the entire spectrum of data using a good variety of other statistical methods came to the same conclusions. I might p...
by hawkinsssable
Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:31 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Gun Control
Replies: 2237
Views: 367213

Re: Gun Control

A caveat before I go on with this: I'm not trying to say anything definite. I don't have the training (I've done a little stats stuff, but not that much) or the knowledge (I'm not that well-versed in the debate, and I don't think anybody in Australia really is) to have any kind of definite opinion o...
by hawkinsssable
Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:43 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Gun Control
Replies: 2237
Views: 367213

Re: Gun Control

Granted. An assault with a firearm is obviously one that is intended to be fairly lethal. However, that doesn't really tell us much. For instance, is having a gun a good indicator of partner violence? God no. It's one of the worst indicators possible. The fact that someone who wants to kill someone...
by hawkinsssable
Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:58 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Gun Control
Replies: 2237
Views: 367213

Re: Gun Control

You know, I'm sure the little bit I'm about to post has already been discussed to death earlier, but I haven't read the thread in its entirety. So if you cbf rehearsing all the old arguments I haven't read, just link me to the page. And the fact that you are more likely to be murdered by "clos...
by hawkinsssable
Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:43 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Gun Control
Replies: 2237
Views: 367213

Re: Gun Control

They're pretty rigorous facts, I'm sure, but rather cherry-picked to support firearms usage. This is most obvious in that ALL the case studies (at least the dozen+ I checked) support firearms, while there exist a large number of equivalent cases which go the other way. So no, not "Just Facts&q...
by hawkinsssable
Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:55 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Gun Control
Replies: 2237
Views: 367213

Re: Gun Control

That correlation does not equal causation? An equally valid interpretation of data correlating firearm ownership with firearm related death is that people at higher risk to be killed by firearms are more likely to seek out firearms for self defense. Yeah, yeah, I'm aware of that old debate, but, uh...
by hawkinsssable
Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:21 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Gun Control
Replies: 2237
Views: 367213

Re: Gun Control

You know, I'm sure the little bit I'm about to post has already been discussed to death earlier, but I haven't read the thread in its entirety. So if you cbf rehearsing all the old arguments I haven't read, just link me to the page. And the fact that you are more likely to be murdered by "close...
by hawkinsssable
Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:20 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
Replies: 646
Views: 83892

Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

EDIT: That all reads much more smoothly, and absolutely nothing is lost, if I just get rid of this post.
by hawkinsssable
Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:45 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
Replies: 646
Views: 83892

Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

So if you have reasonable grounds to question whether the other person consents, clear that shit up right away and don't decide, by yourself, which signals you want to interpret and how you want to interpret them. The only way I can see to get from that ^ to "never ever have sex ever" is ...
by hawkinsssable
Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:02 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
Replies: 646
Views: 83892

Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

Warren Farrell's point is that the rest of civilized society disagrees with this description of consent. If the Texas A&M survey wasn't enough to convince people in this thread, then look at how jurors vote in rape cases... Right, I remember now. The study of Texas A&M college students, whe...
by hawkinsssable
Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:38 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
Replies: 646
Views: 83892

Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

Someone already brought up the consent-based version of Pascal's Wager (i.e. It's always better to not have sex if you're unsure than to have sex and risk rape) as proof that this is a better model of consent. The problem is that by that logic, it's better to not have sex with someone and risk rapi...
by hawkinsssable
Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:22 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
Replies: 646
Views: 83892

Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

Re Pez Dispens3r & Tyndmyr: I haven't been following the ongoing argument between the two of you all that closely, but it really seems to me like the two of you would, in a slightly less heated thread where we've been discussing certain ways of thinking that lead to people getting raped (thanks,...
by hawkinsssable
Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:06 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
Replies: 646
Views: 83892

Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

The way this thread is headed is making me uncomfortable and deedee has been absent for a few days, so I'm going to blatantly try again to derail (re-rail?) it. WARREN FARREL IS REALLY, REALLY CREEPY. Look at these eyes. I mean, really, really look into them. http://ezinearticles.com/members/mem_pic...
by hawkinsssable
Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:49 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
Replies: 646
Views: 83892

Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

My point is that if you can't tell that spiking someone's drink is bad, then it won't be productive trying to converse about the details of consent. Because your "what's bad" meter is broken. In fact, I'll go one step further: Anyone who thinks spiking someone's drink is Ok is exactly the...
by hawkinsssable
Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:55 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
Replies: 646
Views: 83892

Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

@IWantToSmashThemAll - I have so very much respect for you for taking the time to write up that summary of The Myth of Male Power; I've been working on quotes and interviews and other snippets gathered here and there, and what you've done is so much better. Seriously. You are amazing, and I'm sorry ...
by hawkinsssable
Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:44 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
Replies: 646
Views: 83892

Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

Warren Farrell paints a decent picture of what goes on with gender dynamics; feminists claim that he's wrong, but don't provide evidence to support their claims. Let me take this opportunity to direct you back to this post, especially points 6 and point 8 - especially the part at the bottom of poin...
by hawkinsssable
Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:06 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
Replies: 646
Views: 83892

Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

Warren Farrel's evidence is insufficient to support the conclusions that feminists find problematic. Insufficient evidence is as good as no evidence. It is irrelevant. How much evidence supports feminist theory? This is like the very reddest herring I've ever seen. And it's not the first time you'v...
by hawkinsssable
Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:38 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
Replies: 646
Views: 83892

Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

And this is where that wall of text pays off. I think some context is needed to fully understand these statements. Otherwise, why were the reviews for the book so overwhelmingly positive ? See Point 6 here, especially this link to reviews from within academia instead of op-ed writers. We're talking ...
by hawkinsssable
Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:24 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
Replies: 646
Views: 83892

Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

EDIT 1: Added subheadings to break up the wall. EDIT 2: Added some new categories, and spoilers. I might flesh them out a bit more now that they're less intimidating. EDIT 3: Fixed a pressing error concerning the sun. EDIT 4: Fixed an even more pressing error concerning the sun. All this has happene...
by hawkinsssable
Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:46 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
Replies: 646
Views: 83892

Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

No no no, I appreciate the picking of knits!

You can pick my knits any day.
by hawkinsssable
Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:29 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
Replies: 646
Views: 83892

Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

adjusted for you. That's interesting. The often stated fact that violent stranger rape is a tiny minority of rapes had me thinking that violent rape in general was a minority. I see that this is far from true. As for forcible rape being the only one that counts, that's not what I read (in the execu...
by hawkinsssable
Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:30 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
Replies: 646
Views: 83892

Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

Hawkin, strictly speaking, your jump to a conclusion of overpowering, etc is unfounded. Rape(real, uncontroversial rape) can happen without any overpowering happening at all. Therefore, it is possible for a confused situation to arise without any overpowering happening. Now, obviously, clarifying c...
by hawkinsssable
Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
Replies: 646
Views: 83892

Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

Now, I am cheating a little bit, because I doubt those quotes came one after the other. They're also quotes from a Penthouse magazine. From thirty years ago. I'd be much more interested in what Dr. Farrell had to say on this rather than what the magazine has to say; it's perfectly reasonable to ass...
by hawkinsssable
Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:08 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
Replies: 646
Views: 83892

Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

As a matter of fact, earlier in this thread, TheGreatHippo and a few other users actually agreed that "No means no" is an oversimplification of actual dating and sexual dynamics, especially given that nonverbal communication is more powerful than verbal communication. Warren Farrell was m...
by hawkinsssable
Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:36 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
Replies: 646
Views: 83892

Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

So his explanation for girls' negative experiences of being sexually abused by fathers - in circumstances where they are naturally disempowered - is selective reporting. This is creepy. The point that Farrell was making was that mother-son incestual relationships had far more reports of being conse...
by hawkinsssable
Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:12 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
Replies: 646
Views: 83892

Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

"And if we choose to retain laws against date rape, then a false accusation of rape must subject the accuser to the same imprisonment a convicted rapist would receive. In China false accusations of any crime are rare—if the accusation proves false, the accuser receives the punishment." Pe...
by hawkinsssable
Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:21 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
Replies: 646
Views: 83892

Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

I'm finding a hard time discovering any genuine quote where he says 'fathers should molest children', or 'children are better off when fathers molest them'. I'm curious to see a citation the actual claim of what he said (it might have already been posted here and I missed it). You're right, this al...
by hawkinsssable
Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:25 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
Replies: 646
Views: 83892

Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

Because I seriously doubt your ability to click on a link, I'm just gonna copy-paste the whole thing. I'll even fix up one or two things. Anecdotal. The fact of the matter is that if you can't bring home the bacon like a real man, then your marriage is going to be a short one. Fighting gender roles ...
by hawkinsssable
Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:20 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
Replies: 646
Views: 83892

Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

Didn't we already established that if gender roles are caused by individual choices, then there is absolutely nothing that we, or any feminist, can do about it? 2. Public health officials directly state that smoking/drinking/eating excessively without exercise are all bad for you. Are there feminis...
by hawkinsssable
Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:36 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
Replies: 646
Views: 83892

Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

1. Can you point to a single person who made the claim that gender roles are caused by individual choices? I don't think that claim was made once in any of the previous 9 pages. Didn't we already established that if gender roles are caused by individual choices, then there is absolutely nothing tha...
by hawkinsssable
Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:08 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
Replies: 646
Views: 83892

Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

Didn't we already established that if gender roles are caused by individual choices, then there is absolutely nothing that we, or any feminist, can do about it? TheGreatHippo stated earlier that feminists refuse to police people's preferences, even if it meant allowing the mystical "Patriarchy...
by hawkinsssable
Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:24 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
Replies: 646
Views: 83892

Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

I've got like 3 pages to reread when I've got the energy for this shit, but: Anecdotal. The fact of the matter is that if you can't bring home the bacon like a real man, then your marriage is going to be a short one. Fighting gender roles is nice and dandy, but eventually you gotta snap back to real...
by hawkinsssable
Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:23 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
Replies: 646
Views: 83892

Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

Since you've already gone ahead and ignored the substance of what everybody in this thread is telling you about feminism, let's go back to discussing this shit about 'feminist methodology' being inherently sloppy and this shit about the prominent role of women's choices in explaining the gender wage...
by hawkinsssable
Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:25 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
Replies: 646
Views: 83892

Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

ddxxdd - In light of Belial having written pretty much the best thing I've ever read on the Internet; in light of The Great Hippo and others so patiently teasing out feminism's compatibility with positive projects that help men; in light of omgryebread slowly working towards common ground and reelin...
by hawkinsssable
Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:38 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto
Replies: 646
Views: 83892

Re: Feminists protested MRA who spoke at U of Toronto

K. Let's take a look at a list of sources concerning the wage gap: HOLY FUCKING SHIT! Men and women are paid equally when they work the exact same hours in the exact same jobs? The pay gap reflects (at least in large part) men and women's different work choices - particularly choice of career, work...

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