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by ++$_
Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:37 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

Re: 1027: Pickup Artist

gmalivuk wrote:
davver wrote:Mod has started altering posts at will. I guess I'm done.
I haven't done anything to your posts. It's mod madness, and I'm adding cheesegraters.
FTFY

I await the changing of this post.
by ++$_
Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:35 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

Re: 1027: Pickup Artist

Princess Marzipan wrote:
davver wrote:Mod has started altering posts at will. I guess I'm done.
This is going to be a really satisfying Mod Madness this year, isn't it?
Yup.
by ++$_
Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:56 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

Re: 1027: Pickup Artist

Nylonathatep wrote:
++$_ wrote:I apologize for posting that without explanation. I should have linked the xkcd reference.


"But you're using that same tactic to try to feel superior to me, too!

Sorry that accusation expire after one use per conversation."
Oh no you don't. I got there first.
by ++$_
Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:50 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

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Jeff Allen is not a true Scotsman PUA. Theorem (Hilbert): There are no true Scotsmen. Proof: Assume for purposes of contradiction that S is a true Scotsman. Then, by the Localization Lemma, S is from Scotland. By the Haggis Consumption Lemma, this means S has eaten at least one haggis, so S sometim...
by ++$_
Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:34 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

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The problem with many PUA techniques is that the dark side* is turning into and/or being a sociopath. But there are so many PUAs out there that are married and have kids. Most PUAs enter a relationship a short amount of time after mastering these skills. All that the PUA community is about is parsi...
by ++$_
Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:16 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

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Spill Wooner wrote:BHGirl is a total bitch. She must be, deliberately sabotaging noodly-hair's sense of self without the slightest regard for his wishes.
Ooh! Ooh! Could it be that this is because she is Black Hat Girl, one of two leading contenders for "evilest person in the world"?
by ++$_
Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:10 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

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If this comic had been about (for example) misrepresentations in the world of school or business or economics or whatever, and a bunch of slimepit denizens had come in here to argue that those are really pretty okay, I think you'd find a lot of rage directed at those misrepresentations as well. I d...
by ++$_
Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:54 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

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If this comic had been about (for example) misrepresentations in the world of school or business or economics or whatever, and a bunch of slimepit denizens had come in here to argue that those are really pretty okay, I think you'd find a lot of rage directed at those misrepresentations as well.
by ++$_
Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:50 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

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I mean, the whole idea behind the seduction community is to talk to girls and have fun. That's the only motivation behind anything. Talk to girls and have fun. I'm just not understanding why there are so many imaginary stop signs in the process held up by people saying that this pattern of behavior...
by ++$_
Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:43 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

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gmalivuk wrote:
++$_ wrote:No, I think it's from baseball, actually.
Crap. Are we playing that in this thread now, too?
Well, I've been told that there are many different versions of The Game.
by ++$_
Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:39 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

Re: 1027: Pickup Artist

So after you built her interest, you're just going to dump her? You still manipulated her, you just dumped her afterwards. You did nothing of the kind. What you did was have a perfectly ordinary interaction: Boy: Hey! Girl: Bugger off. Boy: Oh, okay. The interaction proposed by the PUAs is quite di...
by ++$_
Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:32 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

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it is manipulative in the context in which PUAs do it, which is to DELIBERATELY do it AGAINST THAT PERSON'S WISHES. For everyone who just joined the thread, I presented this scenario: You're talking to a girl. She seem uninterested. You can: 1. Go talk to someone else, which can build her interest ...
by ++$_
Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:29 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

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I don't think ddxxdd has a chance of winning this sidebar disagreement you've got running here, but you definitely just lost. Ah, yes. The little known "large text" rule: 22.3 No person shall present an argument using larger text than is customary. PENALTY: For violation, the umpire-in-ch...
by ++$_
Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:26 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

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The thing about FTCs is that they don't work unless you're actually about to leave. If I say I have to leave soon, but I end up staying for an extra half hour, then the girls are obviously going to call bullshit. So the time constraint is one you're essentially putting on yourself, which makes it r...
by ++$_
Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:13 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

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I would say that if you deliberately do something to a stranger in an attempt to make yourself interesting to that person, but the thing you do is calculated to hurt that person by arousing that person's jealousy or whatever, you are being manipulative, and frankly, abusive. In the false time constr...
by ++$_
Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:03 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

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My name is not ++3. That would be... a schlong. Also, I never said it was ALWAYS manipulation. I only claim it is manipulative in the context in which PUAs do it, which is to DELIBERATELY do it AGAINST THAT PERSON'S WISHES . Although I would say instead of "against that person's wishes", &...
by ++$_
Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:51 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

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gmalivuk wrote:Er... someone help me out here? What's the one where you have the little dudes and the walking castles and you're ultimately trying to commit regicide?
gmalivuk, that's numberwang!

And now, it's time for Wangernumb! Let's... rotate the board!
by ++$_
Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:14 am UTC
Forum: Science
Topic: Space elevators and angular momentum
Replies: 7
Views: 2467

Re: Space elevators and angular momentum

I haven't done the calculations for this so I could be totally off base here. However, it seems to me that you're suggesting that the more cargo is hauled up (over the lifetime of the elevator), the heavier the counterweight will need to be, because over the lifetime of the thingy, the counterweight...
by ++$_
Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:59 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

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Bakemaster wrote:
davver wrote:Now, last time I check I'm unlikely to go through 50,000 girls like I went through 50,000 hands.

Keep in mind that each girl has two hands, so you really only have to go through half as many.
You can also go through your own hands. I'm told that works pretty well.
by ++$_
Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:10 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

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I admit I haven't read every single post here, but I keep seeing things like "This guy is teaching me" or "I know someone who's really good at this", but can anyone here honestly say "PUA works really well for me"? Better read the last few posts. Some people have said ...
by ++$_
Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:08 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

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I'm surprised this is such a heated topic. PUA advice boils down to exactly this: "Interesting people are interesting, so be interesting." Unfortunately, the rider is "...even if the way you decide to be interesting is to be a massive jerkwad." That's where the heat comes in, be...
by ++$_
Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:05 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

Re: 1027: Pickup Artist

Pick-up doesn't exactly have a six-sigma standard of proof like particle physics, but people have practiced and practiced on hundreds, if not thousands, of women. If a guy goes through the effort of talking to 500 women and posting field reports on each one, and then talks about what behaviors got ...
by ++$_
Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:03 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

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@++$_: If you'd try it, you'd see it works. If I was not seeing any improvement in myself, why would I still be doing it? This one could literally be taken word for word from a homeopathy testimonial. You would not have to change even one word. That's what "could literally be taken word for wo...
by ++$_
Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:58 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

Re: 1027: Pickup Artist

Pick-up doesn't exactly have a six-sigma standard of proof like particle physics, but people have practiced and practiced on hundreds, if not thousands, of women. If a guy goes through the effort of talking to 500 women and posting field reports on each one, and then talks about what behaviors got ...
by ++$_
Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:52 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

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Oh, I see. So if I take a cursory glance at PUA and it seems to work, then it works. But if I take a cursory glance at homeopathy, and it seems to work, then I must try Science to find out. I have seen it work with plenty of guys applying it to plenty of girls. If a certain technique doesn't work, ...
by ++$_
Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:49 pm UTC
Forum: Science
Topic: Space elevators and angular momentum
Replies: 7
Views: 2467

Re: Space elevators and angular momentum

I follow you as long as the lift isn't carrying anything. But we want the lift to carry a massive object, so it is like 2 lifts going up and only 1 going down.
by ++$_
Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:47 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

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A neg is not an insult. If you're insulting a girl, you've mis-calibrated and she's probably gonna blow you off. Girls don't like to be insulted ;). How is teasing her with: "Look, your noses moves soo funny when you talk! ... See, again! ;)" giving her an emotional slap? How is that an e...
by ++$_
Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:45 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

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Also, the homeopathy comparison's not going to fly here. Science shows that homeopathy doesn't work. Observation shows that in certain contexts, PUA stuff works and it builds confidence. Oh, I see. So if I take a cursory glance at PUA and it seems to work, then it works. But if I take a cursory gla...
by ++$_
Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:35 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

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I think one side of the argument, the PUA-ers, is trying too hard to justify everything PUA does... but that's because that's the root of their self-esteem. They feel empowered because they overcame a big obstacle in their lives and that is to talk to women and feel wanted by women. That's great fo...
by ++$_
Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:33 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

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I already told you. Savoy, Neil Strauss, and Juggler are not misogynists. Says who? You? All I had to do was read savoy to find out that he was saying a lot of misogynistic shit. He also says a lot of stuff that isn't misogynistic shit, so I'm not going to pronounce on whether he is a misogynist or...
by ++$_
Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:30 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

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I'll watch it when I get time. But I've read a lot of research on this stuff, including lots of stuff that was "supposed to blow my understanding out of the water." However, for the most part its been shody research or logic. I can't remember how many times I had to debunk many of the ass...
by ++$_
Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:19 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

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If I had to lay out the "core beliefs" of evo-psych its simply this: <snip> Great. Now provide the evidence for those beliefs. (Hint: I'd suggest starting with Sapolsky's excellent lecture series on human behavioral biology . If you still believe that shit after being confronted with the ...
by ++$_
Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:07 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

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If you tell someone you have to go in an hour, and you really do, that's great! But it's not a false time constraint. It's a true one. If you tell someone that you have to go in an hour but you don't actually, and you do this because you hope it will make that person more likely to have sex with yo...
by ++$_
Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:56 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

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Because seriously: What I am reading here is a remarkable flow of bullshit, and I am suspecting more and more that they have figured out how to con some insecure and curious buggers out of hard-earned money with nothing more than a generic self-affirming screed full of a bunch of pretentious, muddl...
by ++$_
Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:47 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

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Роберт wrote:Why do I get the idea that the game is just a complicated system of posturing from obtuse guys to make other frat boys think they're cool (which of course involves pretending to be confident with ladies and getting lots of sex)?
Because you have a brain?
by ++$_
Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:45 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

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Nope. She sees you for who you are: a fun person to be with. Blatantly wrong. Did you read what savoy wrote? You’ll set yourself apart by being the guy who is willing to walk away, who is a challenge, etc. Does it say "You'll set yourself apart by being a fun person to be with"? No. Even ...
by ++$_
Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:40 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

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Dude, I linked earlier to savoy advocating manipulative garbage like the jealousy game. Don't try to hold up savoy as "not advocating manipulation," because he absolutely does. Jealousy Plotlines are not for relationships. Creating a jealousy plotline is an advanced technique, and useful ...
by ++$_
Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:26 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

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Again, if you can point me to a single PUA guru, one guru, who does not advocate manipulation, assault, or sexual pressure, do so. Stop trying to get me to take it on faith that the PUA mainstream does not include this crap. First of all, Mystery's student Savoy wrote Magic Bullets. Dude, I linked ...
by ++$_
Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:23 pm UTC
Forum: Science
Topic: Space elevators and angular momentum
Replies: 7
Views: 2467

Space elevators and angular momentum

A space elevator is a geostationary satellite, consisting mainly of a thread of unobtanium extending from geostationary orbit down to the earth, and another thread extending outwards from the satellite to a counterweight. An elevator car crawls up and down the thread. When the elevator car reaches, ...
by ++$_
Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:17 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1027: "Pickup Artist"
Replies: 2030
Views: 275884

Re: 1027: Pickup Artist

If the PUA is a manipulator, then his "marks" are very easily manipulated. I find the idea that the PUA's "Mark" is so gullible as to be tricked into sex with a few back-handed complements to be more offensive than anything else discussed here. There also seems to be the idea th...

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