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by The Great Hippo
Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:14 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6179
Views: 466321

Re: Trump presidency

The relevant stuff, if your intent is to establish a connection to Trump, happened prior to 2014. ...but, again, why would this be your intent? Getting people to flip on other people isn't about establishing a connection between them; it's about finding enough dirt on one of them so you can get the...
by The Great Hippo
Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:41 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6179
Views: 466321

Re: Trump presidency

Except that the stuff Manafort allegedly did all took place between 2006 and 2014... which means that it's a bit of a reach to infer a connection with the 2016 Trump campaign. At least legally. Even if this was the case (and it's apparently not?), Manafort was part of Trump's presidential campaign....
by The Great Hippo
Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:35 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6179
Views: 466321

Re: Trump presidency

Because news of the indictment is more important to them than the actual indictment. They're beating the grass to startle the snakes. There is simply no way a special prosecutor and his team of a dozen investigators are going to be even remotely satisfied with Manafort and this list of charges afte...
by The Great Hippo
Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:16 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6179
Views: 466321

Re: Trump presidency

The timing of the charges is a little suspect, too. Just when things are turning ugly for the Democrats over the Fusion GPS deal, Mueller jumps out with "We're filing an indictment! Look over here! Oh, but we won't tell you all about it until Monday. Still ... look this way all weekend. Talk a...
by The Great Hippo
Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:26 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Antifa & neo-Nazi Ned in: "Too Many Violence?"
Replies: 409
Views: 40670

Re: Antifa & neo-Nazi Ned in: "Too Many Violence?"

Is that what everyone thinks? Is that what everyone will continue to think if we let Nazis continue to publicly promote genocide? "Better to let the Nazis think people aren't really that opposed to them than make them think twice before appearing in public." "Better to show vulnerabl...
by The Great Hippo
Thu Sep 07, 2017 7:47 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Statue Removal--the Saga Continues
Replies: 17
Views: 5401

Re: Statue Removal--the Saga Continues

Not to Godwin the thread, but if the medical community can decide to change the names of things named by Nazis, then surely they can acknowledge that you shouldn't have statues of people who experimented on slaves/other minorities. But isn't that, like, ALL medical researchers prior to the 20th cen...
by The Great Hippo
Thu Sep 07, 2017 7:40 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition
Replies: 177
Views: 22539

Re: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition

Right, and an element of race that tends to get lost in the "race isn't real" sub-discussion: Racism presumes race is real, and defines your race for you . For example: It doesn't really matter if you're not Arab; if you "look" Arab, you'll be exposed to anti-Arab racism. I do th...
by The Great Hippo
Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:32 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition
Replies: 177
Views: 22539

Re: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition

But a policy like that would help the poor; you improve the middle class, and they have more money for nannies, gardeners, maids, etc. So you really aren't doing a good job on selling the whole "harming the middle class is beneficial to the poor" thing. So, I'm completely lost regarding t...
by The Great Hippo
Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:57 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition
Replies: 177
Views: 22539

Re: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition

I think that adding institutional racism to counter institutional/structural racial inequality is a dangerous path. Using racially non-discriminatory policies may not be quite as direct, but that path doesn't risk breeding contempt for minorities among the poorer of the majority population when one...
by The Great Hippo
Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:36 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition
Replies: 177
Views: 22539

Re: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition

Sorry, but it seems clear to me that the real problem is beliefs and policies (such as critical race theory or identity politics) that encourage people to see themselves has victims, and rewards them when they do. And of course, if there is a victim there must also be an oppressor, and we all know ...
by The Great Hippo
Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:55 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition
Replies: 177
Views: 22539

Re: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition

Stupid question. Is inequality that's the result of internal culture, e.g., Jehovah's Witnesses refusing higher education, a form of structural inequality? I suspect that it's mostly a matter of semantics? We differentiate institutionalized racism from more 'naturally occurring' racism because the ...
by The Great Hippo
Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:46 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition
Replies: 177
Views: 22539

Re: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition

I somehow thought that might be the case. Well toodles. I can provide you with statistics on interracial murders if they're important to you; I just don't see the relevance of those statistics when I'm specifically talking about police and government sanctioned murder/incarceration rates. I'm also ...
by The Great Hippo
Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:47 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition
Replies: 177
Views: 22539

Re: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition

Yeah your right. We should discuss who is killing who. You got any statistics? How many people killed in interracial murders? How many killed by white supremacist's? I'm not really interested in going down the rabbithole of 'interracial murders', because I think that's a little too complex for the ...
by The Great Hippo
Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:51 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition
Replies: 177
Views: 22539

Re: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition

I suspect I already know the response this post will engender, but I am not offering it as an argument to change your minds or sway your opinions; I know that will not happen. I am simply providing it as a public service. If you want to know why more and more people are ignoring--or even worse, *em...
by The Great Hippo
Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:10 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Antifa & neo-Nazi Ned in: "Too Many Violence?"
Replies: 409
Views: 40670

Re: Trump presidency

Then there's nothing left to discuss. There's no need to drag something out if you agree with the core principles of my words. I don't agree that political violence is on the rise, and I don't agree that Trump was right to say that 'all sides' have committed violence (in the same sense that I don't...
by The Great Hippo
Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:52 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Antifa & neo-Nazi Ned in: "Too Many Violence?"
Replies: 409
Views: 40670

Re: Trump presidency

I'm not ignoring that fact and I dunno why you assume I am. I'm simply pointing out a few things: 1. Antifa is violent. 2. Dr. King Jr. was non-violent. Is that too much for you to handle? No, I got it; that was never a point I was contending. I've merely been responding to this: And I'm not trying...
by The Great Hippo
Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:44 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Antifa & neo-Nazi Ned in: "Too Many Violence?"
Replies: 409
Views: 40670

Re: Trump presidency

Because white supremacists weren't fucking lynching people in the 60s? For fucks sake man. MLK's dedication to non-violence was exemplary. Today's violence is minor in comparison. And your attempts to change the historical context will continue to be ignored by me. You were the one who said politic...
by The Great Hippo
Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:33 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Antifa & neo-Nazi Ned in: "Too Many Violence?"
Replies: 409
Views: 40670

Re: Trump presidency

Who was murdering people at the Berkeley rally? If the best defense of Antifa at Berkely was "Literally thousands of miles away: someone died because someone unrelated killed somebody", its not a very strong argument. I'm not defending Antifa at Berkeley; I'm pointing out that for Trump t...
by The Great Hippo
Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:20 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Antifa & neo-Nazi Ned in: "Too Many Violence?"
Replies: 409
Views: 40670

Re: Trump presidency

KnightExemplar, rather than telling us who we should and shouldn't quote, do you think you could actually address the content of the quote itself, which remains extremely relevant toward the conversation at hand? Yes. And generally speaking, hitting people is wrong, especially if its during an other...
by The Great Hippo
Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:30 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Antifa & neo-Nazi Ned in: "Too Many Violence?"
Replies: 409
Views: 40670

Re: Trump presidency

Again, you ascribe things to me that I didn't say, imply, or even hint at. Is this going to be a running theme? I haven't done it once (so not 'again'), and I wasn't actually directing that at you -- just at the general sentiment I've seen (specifically, this article, which pushes the notion that t...
by The Great Hippo
Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:33 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Antifa & neo-Nazi Ned in: "Too Many Violence?"
Replies: 409
Views: 40670

Re: Trump presidency

Wait, how is a neo-Nazi who shoots up a prayer service in an African-American church, killing nine people and wounding a tenth, in hopes of starting a race war, not terrifying? That happened only two years ago. mumble mumble , Antifa, mumble mumble , morally equivalent, mumble mumble , punched peop...
by The Great Hippo
Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:33 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Antifa & neo-Nazi Ned in: "Too Many Violence?"
Replies: 409
Views: 40670

Re: Trump presidency

The confusion is you're talking about historical Nazis, I was talking about the alt-right / white nationalists in Charlottesville. When you said only one side has killed, I assumed you meant the guy who drove into a crowd and killed someone. But it turns out you're talking about the original litera...
by The Great Hippo
Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:23 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Antifa & neo-Nazi Ned in: "Too Many Violence?"
Replies: 409
Views: 40670

Re: Trump presidency

The disturbing thing isn't that political violence is "on the rise". The disturbing thing is that political violence has the endorsement of the President of the United States ". This is true despite that mealy-mouthed "on both sides" fake denunciation he uttered. Trump camp...
by The Great Hippo
Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:08 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Antifa & neo-Nazi Ned in: "Too Many Violence?"
Replies: 409
Views: 40670

Re: Trump presidency

Seriously? EDIT: Really, though -- there's plenty of reasons to be concerned about the issue of escalation; there's plenty of reasons to reject violence as an appropriate response to violence. But at the end of the day, only one side involved in this conflict has actually murdered people. And that s...
by The Great Hippo
Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:36 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Antifa & neo-Nazi Ned in: "Too Many Violence?"
Replies: 409
Views: 40670

Re: Trump presidency

And I'm not trying to compare the two. I'm simply pointing out that, unfortunately, there is truly violence on both sides as Trump has said. And it pains me to have to say Trump is correct on this issue. But that's the facts. Believe it or not, Trump isn't comparing Neo-Nazis with Antifa. His state...
by The Great Hippo
Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:18 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Antifa & neo-Nazi Ned in: "Too Many Violence?"
Replies: 409
Views: 40670

Re: Trump presidency

Erm... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/congressman-steve-scalise-shot-alexandria-virginia-park-n772111 Look, there are left-wing terrorists who have guns and are perfectly willing to kill Republicans. We're not talking about extreme left-wing terrorists; we're also not talking about extreme ri...
by The Great Hippo
Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:10 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Antifa & neo-Nazi Ned in: "Too Many Violence?"
Replies: 409
Views: 40670

Re: Trump presidency

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-far-left-violence-20170829-story.html Antifa is doing more than just "property damage" mate. They're showing up with sticks and beating people at these protests-turn-into-riots. If that's the case, that's fucked up and terrible -- but anyone who co...
by The Great Hippo
Sat Sep 02, 2017 5:18 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Antifa & neo-Nazi Ned in: "Too Many Violence?"
Replies: 409
Views: 40670

Re: Trump presidency

SlyReaper wrote:#NotAllNazis, right?
Hey; cool meme, bro!

Throw me a line whenever you're ready to have an adult discussion.
by The Great Hippo
Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:27 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Antifa & neo-Nazi Ned in: "Too Many Violence?"
Replies: 409
Views: 40670

Re: Trump presidency

Not a good look for Antifa, anyway. Not sure it's fair to lump the whole of "the left" in with the most extreme members. That said, this realisation that Antifa are not the good guys has been a long time coming. Your fashionable contempt for semi-violent anti-fascists is noted. EDIT: Real...
by The Great Hippo
Fri Sep 01, 2017 4:11 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition
Replies: 177
Views: 22539

Re: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition

My issue is... "how was he to know?" before the fact. I certainly didn't, before the fact. And if you don't know before the fact, then it's not a racist act. And if it's not unreasonable for him to have not known before the fact, then it is unreasonable to presume (individual) racism in a...
by The Great Hippo
Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:05 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition
Replies: 177
Views: 22539

Re: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition

Is there an issue with Oreos? Is there an issue with aubergines? Is there an issue with car tires? Because for just about everything, there could be such an issue. How should people know which ones to pursue? By listening to people when they talk about these things. IE, by reading the story . I mea...
by The Great Hippo
Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:38 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition
Replies: 177
Views: 22539

Re: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition

I'm Swiss but my wife is American, and we're planning to move to the US. Honestly, the label racist and the big deal that's made out of it in the US is one of the things that scare me about the move. You guys have such a load of cultural memes that are construed as racist that as informed as I try ...
by The Great Hippo
Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:24 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6248
Views: 901885

Re: Police misbehavior thread

Lets see, the intentional homicide rate in the US is 4.88 per 100,000, compared to 1.68 for Canada, 0.92 for UK, and 0.85 for Germany. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate So yes, the US is a violent, dangerous bunch and more of us need shot than Germans. You...
by The Great Hippo
Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:49 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6248
Views: 901885

Re: Police misbehavior thread

Having recently been accused of leaving out a whole truckload of context, I can't help but do a little turnabout. A great many people killed by police really need killing. Largely because they're legitimately a threat to someone else. This doesn't mean that: - that applies in all cases - other case...
by The Great Hippo
Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:24 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition
Replies: 177
Views: 22539

Re: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition

By the way, that's not "98% of a population," it's "98% of the population", as in the United States The United States is a population, not the population (unless you think the United States comprises the entirety of the world's population. Which, I dunno, maybe you do). I also s...
by The Great Hippo
Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:03 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition
Replies: 177
Views: 22539

Re: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition

Then why do corporations, politicians, and executives always feel the need to apologize profusely upon being accused of doing something racist, whether or not they actually had racist intentions or whether what they said or did would even be considered racist by 98% of people? Intentions aren't alw...
by The Great Hippo
Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:39 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition
Replies: 177
Views: 22539

Re: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition

To be racist these days is second only to being a pedophile in terms of what it can do to your reputation and how you are viewed through the country's moral lens.....and yet you will probably be called racist at some point in your life for reasons you're not even sure of. It's one of the worst of a...
by The Great Hippo
Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:41 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6179
Views: 466321

Re: Trump presidency

ObsessoMom wrote:
You know you're in a bad place when pretty much every press release for the past 6 months has started with the same four words.
by The Great Hippo
Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:20 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6179
Views: 466321

Re: Trump presidency

Maybe. Maybe not. They are paid to be put in a situation where murder is (or might not be) an occupational hazard. Part of the compensation for this risk comes (or should come) in their salary. But to decide whether there should be any compensation, the particular occupational hazard has to be comp...
by The Great Hippo
Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:33 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6179
Views: 466321

Re: Trump presidency

In the past few years, unprovoked violence on police officers has skyrocketed, and if I were one of them, I'd want all the protection I could get. Has it? It's only in an increase because there was a sharp decrease a few years ago. As a trend, it's definitely declining. Even though in 2016 there wa...

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