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by The Great Hippo
Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:52 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Antifa & neo-Nazi Ned in: "Too Many Violence?"
Replies: 409
Views: 50105

Re: Trump presidency

I'm not ignoring that fact and I dunno why you assume I am. I'm simply pointing out a few things: 1. Antifa is violent. 2. Dr. King Jr. was non-violent. Is that too much for you to handle? No, I got it; that was never a point I was contending. I've merely been responding to this: And I'm not trying...
by The Great Hippo
Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:44 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Antifa & neo-Nazi Ned in: "Too Many Violence?"
Replies: 409
Views: 50105

Re: Trump presidency

Because white supremacists weren't fucking lynching people in the 60s? For fucks sake man. MLK's dedication to non-violence was exemplary. Today's violence is minor in comparison. And your attempts to change the historical context will continue to be ignored by me. You were the one who said politic...
by The Great Hippo
Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:33 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Antifa & neo-Nazi Ned in: "Too Many Violence?"
Replies: 409
Views: 50105

Re: Trump presidency

Who was murdering people at the Berkeley rally? If the best defense of Antifa at Berkely was "Literally thousands of miles away: someone died because someone unrelated killed somebody", its not a very strong argument. I'm not defending Antifa at Berkeley; I'm pointing out that for Trump t...
by The Great Hippo
Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:20 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Antifa & neo-Nazi Ned in: "Too Many Violence?"
Replies: 409
Views: 50105

Re: Trump presidency

KnightExemplar, rather than telling us who we should and shouldn't quote, do you think you could actually address the content of the quote itself, which remains extremely relevant toward the conversation at hand? Yes. And generally speaking, hitting people is wrong, especially if its during an other...
by The Great Hippo
Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:30 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Antifa & neo-Nazi Ned in: "Too Many Violence?"
Replies: 409
Views: 50105

Re: Trump presidency

Again, you ascribe things to me that I didn't say, imply, or even hint at. Is this going to be a running theme? I haven't done it once (so not 'again'), and I wasn't actually directing that at you -- just at the general sentiment I've seen (specifically, this article, which pushes the notion that t...
by The Great Hippo
Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:33 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Antifa & neo-Nazi Ned in: "Too Many Violence?"
Replies: 409
Views: 50105

Re: Trump presidency

Wait, how is a neo-Nazi who shoots up a prayer service in an African-American church, killing nine people and wounding a tenth, in hopes of starting a race war, not terrifying? That happened only two years ago. mumble mumble , Antifa, mumble mumble , morally equivalent, mumble mumble , punched peop...
by The Great Hippo
Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:33 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Antifa & neo-Nazi Ned in: "Too Many Violence?"
Replies: 409
Views: 50105

Re: Trump presidency

The confusion is you're talking about historical Nazis, I was talking about the alt-right / white nationalists in Charlottesville. When you said only one side has killed, I assumed you meant the guy who drove into a crowd and killed someone. But it turns out you're talking about the original litera...
by The Great Hippo
Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:23 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Antifa & neo-Nazi Ned in: "Too Many Violence?"
Replies: 409
Views: 50105

Re: Trump presidency

The disturbing thing isn't that political violence is "on the rise". The disturbing thing is that political violence has the endorsement of the President of the United States ". This is true despite that mealy-mouthed "on both sides" fake denunciation he uttered. Trump camp...
by The Great Hippo
Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:08 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Antifa & neo-Nazi Ned in: "Too Many Violence?"
Replies: 409
Views: 50105

Re: Trump presidency

Seriously? EDIT: Really, though -- there's plenty of reasons to be concerned about the issue of escalation; there's plenty of reasons to reject violence as an appropriate response to violence. But at the end of the day, only one side involved in this conflict has actually murdered people. And that s...
by The Great Hippo
Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:36 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Antifa & neo-Nazi Ned in: "Too Many Violence?"
Replies: 409
Views: 50105

Re: Trump presidency

And I'm not trying to compare the two. I'm simply pointing out that, unfortunately, there is truly violence on both sides as Trump has said. And it pains me to have to say Trump is correct on this issue. But that's the facts. Believe it or not, Trump isn't comparing Neo-Nazis with Antifa. His state...
by The Great Hippo
Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:18 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Antifa & neo-Nazi Ned in: "Too Many Violence?"
Replies: 409
Views: 50105

Re: Trump presidency

Erm... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/congressman-steve-scalise-shot-alexandria-virginia-park-n772111 Look, there are left-wing terrorists who have guns and are perfectly willing to kill Republicans. We're not talking about extreme left-wing terrorists; we're also not talking about extreme ri...
by The Great Hippo
Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:10 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Antifa & neo-Nazi Ned in: "Too Many Violence?"
Replies: 409
Views: 50105

Re: Trump presidency

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-far-left-violence-20170829-story.html Antifa is doing more than just "property damage" mate. They're showing up with sticks and beating people at these protests-turn-into-riots. If that's the case, that's fucked up and terrible -- but anyone who co...
by The Great Hippo
Sat Sep 02, 2017 5:18 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Antifa & neo-Nazi Ned in: "Too Many Violence?"
Replies: 409
Views: 50105

Re: Trump presidency

SlyReaper wrote:#NotAllNazis, right?
Hey; cool meme, bro!

Throw me a line whenever you're ready to have an adult discussion.
by The Great Hippo
Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:27 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Antifa & neo-Nazi Ned in: "Too Many Violence?"
Replies: 409
Views: 50105

Re: Trump presidency

Not a good look for Antifa, anyway. Not sure it's fair to lump the whole of "the left" in with the most extreme members. That said, this realisation that Antifa are not the good guys has been a long time coming. Your fashionable contempt for semi-violent anti-fascists is noted. EDIT: Real...
by The Great Hippo
Fri Sep 01, 2017 4:11 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition
Replies: 177
Views: 26488

Re: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition

My issue is... "how was he to know?" before the fact. I certainly didn't, before the fact. And if you don't know before the fact, then it's not a racist act. And if it's not unreasonable for him to have not known before the fact, then it is unreasonable to presume (individual) racism in a...
by The Great Hippo
Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:05 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition
Replies: 177
Views: 26488

Re: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition

Is there an issue with Oreos? Is there an issue with aubergines? Is there an issue with car tires? Because for just about everything, there could be such an issue. How should people know which ones to pursue? By listening to people when they talk about these things. IE, by reading the story . I mea...
by The Great Hippo
Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:38 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition
Replies: 177
Views: 26488

Re: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition

I'm Swiss but my wife is American, and we're planning to move to the US. Honestly, the label racist and the big deal that's made out of it in the US is one of the things that scare me about the move. You guys have such a load of cultural memes that are construed as racist that as informed as I try ...
by The Great Hippo
Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:24 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6429
Views: 938709

Re: Police misbehavior thread

Lets see, the intentional homicide rate in the US is 4.88 per 100,000, compared to 1.68 for Canada, 0.92 for UK, and 0.85 for Germany. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate So yes, the US is a violent, dangerous bunch and more of us need shot than Germans. You...
by The Great Hippo
Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:49 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6429
Views: 938709

Re: Police misbehavior thread

Having recently been accused of leaving out a whole truckload of context, I can't help but do a little turnabout. A great many people killed by police really need killing. Largely because they're legitimately a threat to someone else. This doesn't mean that: - that applies in all cases - other case...
by The Great Hippo
Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:24 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition
Replies: 177
Views: 26488

Re: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition

By the way, that's not "98% of a population," it's "98% of the population", as in the United States The United States is a population, not the population (unless you think the United States comprises the entirety of the world's population. Which, I dunno, maybe you do). I also s...
by The Great Hippo
Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:03 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition
Replies: 177
Views: 26488

Re: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition

Then why do corporations, politicians, and executives always feel the need to apologize profusely upon being accused of doing something racist, whether or not they actually had racist intentions or whether what they said or did would even be considered racist by 98% of people? Intentions aren't alw...
by The Great Hippo
Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:39 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition
Replies: 177
Views: 26488

Re: Let's talk about race, 2017 edition

To be racist these days is second only to being a pedophile in terms of what it can do to your reputation and how you are viewed through the country's moral lens.....and yet you will probably be called racist at some point in your life for reasons you're not even sure of. It's one of the worst of a...
by The Great Hippo
Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:41 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 7226
Views: 539546

Re: Trump presidency

ObsessoMom wrote:
You know you're in a bad place when pretty much every press release for the past 6 months has started with the same four words.
by The Great Hippo
Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:20 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 7226
Views: 539546

Re: Trump presidency

Maybe. Maybe not. They are paid to be put in a situation where murder is (or might not be) an occupational hazard. Part of the compensation for this risk comes (or should come) in their salary. But to decide whether there should be any compensation, the particular occupational hazard has to be comp...
by The Great Hippo
Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:33 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 7226
Views: 539546

Re: Trump presidency

In the past few years, unprovoked violence on police officers has skyrocketed, and if I were one of them, I'd want all the protection I could get. Has it? It's only in an increase because there was a sharp decrease a few years ago. As a trend, it's definitely declining. Even though in 2016 there wa...
by The Great Hippo
Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:23 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 7226
Views: 539546

Re: Trump presidency

Predictably Trump responds that he was going to disband the committee anyway, he just hadn't got around to it yet (it would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic). Donald Trump is a living caricature of rich people. He is Montana Max . He is a 70+ year old spoiled white rich man-baby with all the pol...
by The Great Hippo
Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:59 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 7226
Views: 539546

Re: Trump presidency

I don't know. On one hand, it's a sacred cow that I've long stopped worshiping; on the other hand, making Nazi hate-speech illegal would probably just motivate the base, let them paint themselves as martyrs, and -- as you start prosecuting them -- end up injecting a lot of Nazis into an already bloa...
by The Great Hippo
Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:44 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 7226
Views: 539546

Re: Trump presidency

It's strange that the US government on the whole seems to understand how repugnant and dangerous these people are, yet does nothing. Most (all?) other Western nations have laws against hate speech that would prevent the Nazi's from staging rallies in the first place. If there are laws against it, y...
by The Great Hippo
Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:28 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 7226
Views: 539546

Re: Null=Empty Suit President

They murdered anybody who opposed them. I hate white supremacist's for what they are, but neither will I attack them for something they haven't done yet. It's reasonable to try and judge others based on what they've done rather than who they associate with... for certain values of "who". ...
by The Great Hippo
Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:55 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 7226
Views: 539546

Re: Trump presidency

On the one hand, its a good rebuke of Trump. On the other hand, it means that Trump is now increasingly isolated away from decent people. Maybe Kelly is the last decent advisor who has Trumps ear... General Kelly? The pro-Guantanamo Bay guy? He strikes me as competent, but I never figured him for '...
by The Great Hippo
Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:41 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 7226
Views: 539546

Re: Trump presidency

No. An ad hominem is a personal attack. An ad hominem fallacy is the wrongful belief that attacking the person invalidates the argument. Before you get pedantic, check your work. Ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is in wh...
by The Great Hippo
Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:27 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 7226
Views: 539546

Re: Trump presidency

Well, considering that I never accused you of the ad hominem fallacy, as YOU were the one who asserted , I didn't have the strict definition on hand and was trying to articulate it from memory. However, since you find it so important to clarify, why don't you state the articulation of the statement...
by The Great Hippo
Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:13 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 7226
Views: 539546

Re: Trump presidency

I'm not accusing you of the ad hominem fallacy (which is to attack a person in order to undermine their argument.) In fact, to me it seems like you're primarily attacking me, personally, because you enjoy it, and I was merely pointing out that I kind of wish you'd stop doing offensive bull like cal...
by The Great Hippo
Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:29 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 7226
Views: 539546

Re: Trump presidency

Okay, if we're moving into ad hominens...
I can't have a serious discussion with someone if they keep accusing me of fallacies they don't actually understand.
by The Great Hippo
Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:30 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 7226
Views: 539546

Re: Trump presidency

You know, you hide a pretty important "but" in a footnote: I don't think Hitler would have taken power the way he did without all the illegality. I'm... actually pretty sure he would have? If anything, all the illegality interfered with his ascension to power; he wasn't some sort of polit...
by The Great Hippo
Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:20 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 7226
Views: 539546

Re: Trump presidency

I don't tolerate Nazis, any more than I tolerate unprincipled hypocrites. I do, however, recognize that in a country ruled by laws and recognizing individual rights, the same law that prevents me from punching you in the face also prevents me from punching a Nazi in the face. Hitler was elected; he...
by The Great Hippo
Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:06 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 7226
Views: 539546

Re: Trump presidency

Can he survive this? Politically? Before he was elected, I'd say no. Now, I have no idea. There was some point way back when I kept hoping that the more Trump spoke, the more Republicans would realize they'd made a horrible mistake. Now, I'm worried that the more he speaks, the more Republicans rea...
by The Great Hippo
Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:42 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Darker Side of the News
Replies: 4120
Views: 548557

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Oh gee. Condemning the violence "on many sides", hm, Mr. Trump? Don't judge him too harshly; he just didn't want to be insensitive. Nazis have feelings, too. Also, yeah, the first news feed I watched about this went out of their way to emphasize how 'non-violent' the police were. I guess ...
by The Great Hippo
Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:30 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 7226
Views: 539546

Re: Trump presidency

But I don't anticipate a shrug when that happens. As much as the GOP has been willing to cover his ass to an absolutely shameful extent every time he presents it like a gorram mandrill, they're clearly getting tired of having to mop up after this idiot. On one hand I'd like to think so, on the othe...
by The Great Hippo
Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:19 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 7226
Views: 539546

Re: Trump presidency

At this point, I will be very surprised if Trump doesn't fire Mueller.

And when he does -- with a few exceptions -- House and Senate Republicans are going to collectively shrug.

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