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by Steroid
Thu May 10, 2012 12:35 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: obama endorses same-sex marriage
Replies: 348
Views: 42848

Re: obama endorses same-sex marriage

Since it seems we *can't* get away from the politics, let me just add that this is exactly why I'm a strong libertarian. If government were set up to defend rights, which would include a marriage contract among any parties who freely enter into it, then I would be able to argue that whatever status ...
by Steroid
Thu May 10, 2012 12:22 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: obama endorses same-sex marriage
Replies: 348
Views: 42848

Re: obama endorses same-sex marriage

(1) How, exactly, is more than marriage rights being granted? What "normalization" are they getting that isn't just a part of marriage equality? (2) How are people losing their culture? Nobody is forcing anyone to accept gays -- this entire debate is about wanting groups to have equal tre...
by Steroid
Thu May 10, 2012 11:45 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: obama endorses same-sex marriage
Replies: 348
Views: 42848

Re: obama endorses same-sex marriage

Ok, since four people still missed the point, here it is in bold: I'm not arguing the politics or the legality. I'm agreeing entirely on what the law should be. I'm talking about what the social standard should be. If all you want are rights, fine, but you're getting a lot more. You're getting the n...
by Steroid
Thu May 10, 2012 10:29 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: obama endorses same-sex marriage
Replies: 348
Views: 42848

Re: obama endorses same-sex marriage

Denying someone the influence to cause social and financial oppression to a group of people you deem inferior is not analogous to denying gay people the right to marry. You must live on a different reality than mine when you keep insisting that there are Christian values, and then there are homosex...
by Steroid
Thu May 10, 2012 2:53 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: obama endorses same-sex marriage
Replies: 348
Views: 42848

Re: obama endorses same-sex marriage

2. As to the legitimacy of homosexuality-intolerant spirituality: I'm wondering why we're talking about its legitimacy in the first place. It's a given that people have a right to believe whatever they wish, and also to be snobbish/hold bigoted views about whoever they wish. What is the point of th...
by Steroid
Thu May 10, 2012 12:31 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: obama endorses same-sex marriage
Replies: 348
Views: 42848

Re: obama endorses same-sex marriage

Many people think it's false , though: many people think that heaven exists and gays are welcome (I mean, fuck, even most of the groups trotted out as examples of traditionalism think that you can be a "non-practicing homosexual" and go to heaven). Are you saying that the Episcopal Church...
by Steroid
Wed May 09, 2012 11:51 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: obama endorses same-sex marriage
Replies: 348
Views: 42848

Re: obama endorses same-sex marriage

And that's what I'm against. On the whole I think the community of religious spirituality has been a superior force in the world when compared to the community of homosexual values. Pardon, but what "homosexual values" are you talking about, and are they even separate from the other value...
by Steroid
Wed May 09, 2012 11:28 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: obama endorses same-sex marriage
Replies: 348
Views: 42848

Re: obama endorses same-sex marriage

Then I think you just didn't read the right places for your outrage for NY's law. There wasn't any here (that I know of) because most people here supported it. That's not the same as there not being outrage over it. Archbisop Dolan reads to me like he was quite unhappy with it. I bet if I was willi...
by Steroid
Wed May 09, 2012 10:42 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: obama endorses same-sex marriage
Replies: 348
Views: 42848

Re: obama endorses same-sex marriage

You realize how bizarre this argument is right? If government isn't spiritual, and marriage is, the government shouldn't marry anyone. But there is such a thing as life outside of government. (that may be a point of contention around here, though) Two people getting together can have a spiritual qu...
by Steroid
Wed May 09, 2012 10:14 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: obama endorses same-sex marriage
Replies: 348
Views: 42848

Re: obama endorses same-sex marriage

Citation needed for the bolded. Also, do me a favor and define "secular enclave". You just sound like someone saying "hey, they call us religious zealots, so I'm going to call them atheist heathens back at them!". Also also, fun fact, but there's a lot of traditions with marriag...
by Steroid
Wed May 09, 2012 9:46 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: obama endorses same-sex marriage
Replies: 348
Views: 42848

Re: obama endorses same-sex marriage

I didn't say "traditional marriage," I said "marriage tradition." That is, they're against keeping the tradition in place, either for its own sake or for substantive reasons.
by Steroid
Wed May 09, 2012 9:41 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: obama endorses same-sex marriage
Replies: 348
Views: 42848

Re: obama endorses same-sex marriage

Because outside of the secular enclaves, people understand that this is actually a contentious issue where both sides are going to win some political victories because both sides have significant support. There was no outrage when New York legalized gay marriage; why should there be any when North ...
by Steroid
Wed May 09, 2012 9:17 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: obama endorses same-sex marriage
Replies: 348
Views: 42848

Re: obama endorses same-sex marriage

Wait, North Carolina just banned same-sex civil unions? Why is there no threat about that? Or, you know, national outrage? Because outside of the secular enclaves, people understand that this is actually a contentious issue where both sides are going to win some political victories because both sid...
by Steroid
Mon May 07, 2012 10:10 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1052: “Every Major’s Terrible”
Replies: 240
Views: 65945

Re: 1052: “Every Major’s Terrible”

Clearly he should be a theater major.
by Steroid
Thu May 03, 2012 2:49 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1049: "Bookshelf"
Replies: 867
Views: 135401

Re: 1049: "Bookshelf"

Respectfully, I disagree with this point. When I enter a discussion, I enter it at the tenor that it's being held at. If someone else is being an asshole to me, or assholishly arguing against a point I agree with, you're saying that I should either not enter into the discussion or raise the level t...
by Steroid
Tue May 01, 2012 1:05 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1049: "Bookshelf"
Replies: 867
Views: 135401

Re: 1049: "Bookshelf"

No, I would have you not be condescending to a wide swath of people just to feel better about yourself. So people insulted your taste in books -- what does insulting their taste in books back at them accomplish? It doesn't make anyone want to side with you, it doesn't make anyone more likely to lik...
by Steroid
Tue May 01, 2012 10:44 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1049: "Bookshelf"
Replies: 867
Views: 135401

Re: 1049: "Bookshelf"

The problem with that aphorism is that one wrong doesn't make a right either. Do you agree that the comic, and some in this thread, are critiquing my liking of Atlas Shrugged unfairly? If so, how do you suggest that I do right that wrong? If not, then how is it wrong for me to critique others for t...
by Steroid
Tue May 01, 2012 3:21 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1049: "Bookshelf"
Replies: 867
Views: 135401

Re: 1049: "Bookshelf"

Implying that it is a reason is not significantly less insulting -- you're still making your disingenuous deconstructions of those works, and implying that those people like those works because of their preference for those negative traits is just being condescending. Comparing them to hipsters doe...
by Steroid
Tue May 01, 2012 2:39 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1049: "Bookshelf"
Replies: 867
Views: 135401

Re: 1049: "Bookshelf"

Except what I'm highlighting is that you're just tossing all of those works you don't enjoy as "difficult, dull, and depressing". Saying "I like works with simpler language usage, more exciting themes, and happier endings" is very different from saying "The works you enjoy ...
by Steroid
Tue May 01, 2012 1:48 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1049: "Bookshelf"
Replies: 867
Views: 135401

Re: 1049: "Bookshelf"

Steroid, you need to read more literature if Oscar Wilde is the most difficult writer you could think of... And actually, also if you think Hemmingway is dull. And you do not understand literature if you can characterize Hemmingway as dull - to do so means that you are, quite literally, unable to r...
by Steroid
Tue May 01, 2012 1:01 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1049: "Bookshelf"
Replies: 867
Views: 135401

Re: 1049: "Bookshelf"

OK, you're not. I am. Does that mean I have bad taste? Should I consider it that you have bad taste because we like different things? Or are you right because what I like is easier for me to enjoy than it is for you, and suffering is virtue? If that's the case, then I think I do have some Objectivi...
by Steroid
Tue May 01, 2012 12:56 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1049: "Bookshelf"
Replies: 867
Views: 135401

Re: 1049: "Bookshelf"

Internal conflict is dramatic. Without drama, your story is pointless bullshit; why the fuck should I spend my time reading pointless bullshit? External conflict is also dramatic. The central question of a story, rather than being "Will the protagonist learn?" can be "Will he win?&qu...
by Steroid
Tue May 01, 2012 12:37 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1049: "Bookshelf"
Replies: 867
Views: 135401

Re: 1049: "Bookshelf"

And regardless of what you think of her philosophy, I'm sorry but if you like her actually writing you do have terrible taste. The woman was a horrible writer - cardboard cut out characters that exist only to exemplify her philosophy, ridiculous dialogue, completely ridiculous plots. I saw the old ...
by Steroid
Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:29 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1049: "Bookshelf"
Replies: 867
Views: 135401

Re: 1049: "Bookshelf"

One day, I may find someone, somewhere, who disagrees with what Ayn Rand says while accurately quoting what she says. Her ideas don't really jive with history, or reality, or logic. 1) A Laissez-faire economy has never existed and will never exist, nor does any thinking person really believe that u...
by Steroid
Thu Apr 19, 2012 4:34 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Overpopulation Rhetoric is Alarmist and Counterproductive
Replies: 286
Views: 37782

Re: Overpopulation Rhetoric is Alarmist and Counterproductiv

Basically this. Living in a suburban house consumes a lot more resources than living in a nice apartment in a city but I personally (and Europeans in general perhaps?) prefer living in a city to a suburb. Of course a specific person living in a house is not the problem- as the situation stands righ...
by Steroid
Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:10 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Supreme court debate Affodable Care Act
Replies: 429
Views: 76645

Re: Supreme court debate Affodable Care Act

We need a general Libertarianism thread in SB so I can explain things. Suffice it to say that because I'm firmly on the "Joe" side of what's been discussed, I'm hoping that they overturn ACA, go on to overturn Wickard, and leave the health care industry unregulated.
by Steroid
Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:38 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Supreme court debate Affodable Care Act
Replies: 429
Views: 76645

Re: Supreme court debate Affodable Care Act

Fundamentalist libertarianism is no more relevant to the ACA than the belief that the world will end with the Mayan calender in 2012 (while equally irrelevant, the latter belief is of course far more logical and supported by more empirical evidence.) One could, of course, interject into every discu...
by Steroid
Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:23 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Supreme court debate Affodable Care Act
Replies: 429
Views: 76645

Re: Supreme court debate Affodable Care Act

Steroid doesn't see a problem with this, because the water is, by his definition, the property of Joe. Which, as you pointed out through example, creates such a resource imbalance that the market breaks down. This sort of shitty analogy is one of the hallmarks of Libertarian debate. Pretty much eve...
by Steroid
Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:05 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Supreme court debate Affodable Care Act
Replies: 429
Views: 76645

Re: Supreme court debate Affodable Care Act

Contract law is a separate issue, and government can enforce it, buy shouldn't be charging anyone who isn't a party to the contract for the service. But that's not the issue here. It's not that insurance companies are reneging on their contracts and a government is enforcing them, it's that they're ...
by Steroid
Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:40 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Supreme court debate Affodable Care Act
Replies: 429
Views: 76645

Re: Supreme court debate Affodable Care Act

What I don't get, Steroid, is what your system does about a literal big guy with a literal club who bashes in your skull. Most libertarians, crazy though their pants may be, draw the line at a government large enough to stop actual violence against persons and property. But although you're all for ...
by Steroid
Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:25 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1040: "Lakes and Oceans"
Replies: 166
Views: 81586

Re: 1040: "Lakes and Oceans"

Given the number and the season, was anyone else hoping for an income tax comic?
by Steroid
Sat Apr 07, 2012 3:52 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Supreme court debate Affodable Care Act
Replies: 429
Views: 76645

Re: Supreme court debate Affodable Care Act

We're specifically saying that everything that you hold dear about society, togetherness, and the benefits of people living together mean absolutely nothing to us, And we're specifically saying that no one cares. Why interject yet another exposition of your general philosophical outlook into a spec...
by Steroid
Sat Apr 07, 2012 2:36 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Supreme court debate Affodable Care Act
Replies: 429
Views: 76645

Re: Supreme court debate Affodable Care Act

We do this for a couple of reasons: Reiterating the same stale ideological blather over and over again does not accomplish any of the goals you outline. You would be better off assuming people are familiar with, and unpersuaded by, the generic libertarian talking points (traffic lights lead to the ...
by Steroid
Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:29 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Supreme court debate Affodable Care Act
Replies: 429
Views: 76645

Re: Supreme court debate Affodable Care Act

Anytime you have a discussion about anything on the Internet, one or more members of the 1-2% of the population who are fundamentalist libertarians will chime in with "Government evil tyranny bad bad BAD." It's not that there's nothing to be said for that argument, it's just that literall...
by Steroid
Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:51 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Supreme court debate Affodable Care Act
Replies: 429
Views: 76645

Re: Supreme court debate Affodable Care Act

Pew Research (3/7-11, n=1,503): What, if anything, do you think Congress should do with the health care law? Expand it. Leave it as is. Repeal it. 38% repeal 20% leave as is 33% expand 9% unsure It's likely of course that a good portion of the disapprove because it doesn't go far enough crowd wants...
by Steroid
Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:13 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Supreme court debate Affodable Care Act
Replies: 429
Views: 76645

Re: Supreme court debate Affodable Care Act

There won't be an overriding national health care system; the whole point of the mandate is to force you to pay into the private health care system (but the provider is up to you!). If you choose not to pay into the private health care system, you can pay into the national fund via a penalty (a tax...
by Steroid
Sun Apr 01, 2012 4:37 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Supreme court debate Affodable Care Act
Replies: 429
Views: 76645

Re: Supreme court debate Affodable Care Act

I have no idea what you mean by "governments are there to make sure that those decisions are put into effect efficiently." Because it sounds to me like that an exact description of the tax in this hypothetical: the tax allows people to engage in mutually consensual commerce to any degree ...
by Steroid
Sun Apr 01, 2012 12:56 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Supreme court debate Affodable Care Act
Replies: 429
Views: 76645

Re: Supreme court debate Affodable Care Act

I was saying it's not the valid legal doctrine. It can not be the reasoning used to rule in a case. If you read Brown V. Board of Education, you won't see any mention at all of popular or public opinion. Instead, their judicial logic and reasoning were spelled out simply and to the point: Oh for ce...
by Steroid
Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:59 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: April Fools 2012 roundup
Replies: 40
Views: 12326

Re: April Fools 2012 roundup

Call me a stick in the mud if you want, but am I the only one who really doesn't like this sort of April Fool's joke? To me the essence of April Fool's is that you show them something they're supposed to believe, and that when they do, you reveal that it was a joke or, if they figure it out ahead of...
by Steroid
Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:20 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Supreme court debate Affodable Care Act
Replies: 429
Views: 76645

Re: Supreme court debate Affodable Care Act

The "way things are" was a discussion on your opinion with respect to inherent rights and the 9th and 10th amendments. Which was based on two points: (1) That exacting literal interpretations would not function with the constitution as written, and (2) dealing with the actual topic, that ...

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