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by TheGrammarBolshevik
Sun May 03, 2015 9:25 pm UTC
Forum: Logic Puzzles
Topic: Cheryl's Birthday
Replies: 29
Views: 6192

Re: Cheryl's Birthday

Huh?
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Fri May 01, 2015 5:28 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6473
Views: 976503

Re: Police misbehavior thread

Reckless disregard for human life is, in most states (including Maryland), a sufficient mens rea for murder.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/cri ... story.html
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Wed Apr 29, 2015 4:56 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Same-sex marriage now legal in 24 states
Replies: 54
Views: 13191

Re: Same-sex marriage now legal in 24 states

^ For more discussion of this question, see here.
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:49 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6473
Views: 976503

Re: Police misbehavior thread

I definitely agree with Tyndmyr and gmalivuk here. morriswalters, I don't think you believe that police should never face trial for their use of violence. (I really hope you don't believe that). That means police should face trial at least some of the time. So, then, which cases should face trial? ...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:59 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Why do people here and xkcd hate liberal arts maors so much?
Replies: 113
Views: 16109

Re: Why do people here and xkcd hate liberal arts maors so m

"This context" would be a discussion of the value of philosophy and philosophy education.
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:25 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Why do people here and xkcd hate liberal arts maors so much?
Replies: 113
Views: 16109

Re: Why do people here and xkcd hate liberal arts maors so m

Sure. Then they did graduate work in philosophy. Just like 99% of the other 20+th century philosophers.
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Fri Apr 24, 2015 9:06 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Why do people here and xkcd hate liberal arts maors so much?
Replies: 113
Views: 16109

Re: Why do people here and xkcd hate liberal arts maors so m

One practical difference that I see is that it's pretty possible (correct me if I'm wrong on this by the way) to do advanced philosophy learning/research with books, a pen and paper and access to teachers and a community of philosophers. I thought the thought experiment was that all the university ...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:41 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Why do people here and xkcd hate liberal arts maors so much?
Replies: 113
Views: 16109

Re: Why do people here and xkcd hate liberal arts maors so m

But even if we look at the more stereotypical categories like literature, philosophy, language, history... these things are all extremely important to society. I would disagree with that. Let's say every college scrapped every philosophy class, and ceased to offer it after the current lot graduated...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:48 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Why do people here and xkcd hate liberal arts maors so much?
Replies: 113
Views: 16109

Re: Why do people here and xkcd hate liberal arts maors so m

And that's okay. But to address the OP, its a big part of, for me at least , the frustration with so many people doing these types of degrees. I'm not seeing why that's a cause for frustration. Unless you're literally a recruiter, frustrated at the lack of new talent, a student's career-worthiness ...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Thu Apr 23, 2015 5:34 am UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Why do people here and xkcd hate liberal arts maors so much?
Replies: 113
Views: 16109

Re: Why do people here and xkcd hate liberal arts maors so m

BattleMoose wrote:But can it be something that's, more useful?

It could be, but not everyone organizes education around their career like that.
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:49 pm UTC
Forum: Logic Puzzles
Topic: Cheryl's Birthday
Replies: 29
Views: 6192

Re: Cheryl's Birthday

OK, but were you able to figure out pretty quickly what the intended setup was?
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Wed Apr 22, 2015 3:33 pm UTC
Forum: Logic Puzzles
Topic: Cheryl's Birthday
Replies: 29
Views: 6192

Re: Cheryl's Birthday

Why does "implicit assumption" = "fundamental flaw"? Everyone was able to figure out that Albert and Bernard knew the problem setup, so I don't see what the problem is.
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:45 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Why do people here and xkcd hate liberal arts maors so much?
Replies: 113
Views: 16109

Re: Why do people here and xkcd hate liberal arts maors so m

I can't tell for certain which direction you're saying this works - are you saying exam questions for these classes are fully bullshittable, or that they require you reference the class material? I'm saying that intro philosophy courses require critical reflection on the material. I thought you wer...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Tue Apr 21, 2015 3:06 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Why do people here and xkcd hate liberal arts maors so much?
Replies: 113
Views: 16109

Re: Why do people here and xkcd hate liberal arts maors so m

Exam questions usually do ask you to evaluate the argument. Sure, you're pretty free to draw on criticisms already discussed in class, especially in an intro course. But you're still explaining why you find that criticism sound.
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Sun Apr 19, 2015 7:08 pm UTC
Forum: Logic Puzzles
Topic: My write-up of the "Blue Eyes" solution (SPOILER A
Replies: 1368
Views: 409216

Re: My write-up of the "Blue Eyes" solution (SPOILER A

Second, and more generally, what does it actually mean to say that "everyone is a perfect logician."? It means they will all figure out the same solution, and act accordingly. No, it does not. A perfect logician will instantly derive all facts that are possible to prove from the facts tha...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:36 pm UTC
Forum: Logic Puzzles
Topic: Cheryl's Birthday
Replies: 29
Views: 6192

Re: Cheryl's Birthday

There's a much harder version here. Be aware that there are answers in the comments.
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Sun Apr 19, 2015 3:38 am UTC
Forum: Logic Puzzles
Topic: My write-up of the "Blue Eyes" solution (SPOILER A
Replies: 1368
Views: 409216

Re: Blue Eyes: intrinsic contradiction?

She knows she is surrounded by logical clones other than eye color. She knows they are thinking the same thing. If she can develop a simple strategy, she knows they will all develop the exact same strategy. Are you sure she knows any of this? As I read the problem, all she knows is that she and the...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:57 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6473
Views: 976503

Re: Police misbehavior thread

I feel like you and natraj are not talking about the same side's burden of proof, and/or you're not being consistent about whether a "change" is a raising or lowering of the burden. Yes, that's right; I misinterpreted natraj's post. A good start would be holding cops to the same standard ...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:03 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6473
Views: 976503

Re: Police misbehavior thread

honestly i think it is sickening and horrendous that we don't , by default, already have a different burden of proof for cops than we do for the general public. we endow the cops with greater power, why on EARTH shouldn't greater examination of how they are using that power come with that automatic...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:39 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6473
Views: 976503

Re: Police misbehavior thread

Well, sure, it's being discussed now that you've continued to talk about it. But I don't see why it needs continued discussion, instead of just acknowledging that sardia's comment was trollish and irrelevant and moving on.
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:16 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6473
Views: 976503

Re: Police misbehavior thread

gmalivuk wrote:Nah, I absolutely believe your cop family members probably have abused their power in racist and other oppressive ways, it's just never been contextually relevant for me to point that out.

Why is it contextually relevant now? Because sardia brought it up out of nowhere?
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:16 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is knowledge justified true belief?
Replies: 136
Views: 49279

Re: Is knowledge justified true belief?

Bertrand Russell discusses how christianity incorporates a lot of Plato as a patina of rationality. Sure, Plato influenced Christianity. I don't know what this has to do with what you said about neo-Platonism and the origins of the JTB account. The words "justified" and "true" a...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Sun Apr 12, 2015 5:26 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is knowledge justified true belief?
Replies: 136
Views: 49279

Re: Is knowledge justified true belief?

Look back at the history of the "justified true belief" definition of knowledge and you will see it goes back to Neo-Platonism and the synthesis of Greek philosophy and religion. Probably to justify the existence of religious belief without any evidence. What is your evidence for this? As...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:44 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Trolley Problem
Replies: 349
Views: 91574

Re: Trolly Problem

First let me put out my definition of morality: Morality describes the consistency of a thought or action with respect to a set of principles and values furnished by a judge. The "judge" is the entity that is evaluating the morality. Why assume that morality is like this? Isn't it worth c...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Sat Apr 11, 2015 1:26 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Trolley Problem
Replies: 349
Views: 91574

Re: Trolly Problem

If everyone can agree nobody is certain, I think it's more productive to put forth different ways to consider the problem rather than ask people to prove the ideas they are putting forth. Nobody can prove anything if nobody is certain. I think you are misunderstanding what other people are asking f...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:38 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Trolley Problem
Replies: 349
Views: 91574

Re: Trolly Problem

Sorry, isn't "I don't accept that premise" exactly what I said? Sure, instead of saying that we have "fundamentally different ideas about human life" and leaving it at that, I actually explained why the premise is false. But so what? It's not like you're allowed to just decide wh...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:24 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Trolley Problem
Replies: 349
Views: 91574

Re: Trolly Problem

Bolshevik, I'm not defending my own view by saying ethics is arbitrary. I'm saying Forest Goose cannot say with logical certainty that his/her view is correct because ethics is arbitrary. ... I would drop the subject if we can all agree nobody can say with objective certainty what the "best&qu...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Fri Apr 10, 2015 7:47 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Trolley Problem
Replies: 349
Views: 91574

Re: Trolly Problem

Exactly. In mathematics, there is consensus about what axioms to start from. In ethics there isn't. The situations are not as different as you think they are. Once you go past the axioms of ZFC, there is disagreement over what axioms are proper foundations for mathematics. Forest Goose will probabl...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Fri Apr 10, 2015 6:46 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Trolley Problem
Replies: 349
Views: 91574

Re: Trolly Problem

You agreed with the statement: "There are times when a person has the right to end the life of another." But in order for your "proof" to hold, you must show that everyone who uses logic must agree with said statement. Why should anyone accept this bizarrely stringent requiremen...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Fri Apr 10, 2015 6:44 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Trolley Problem
Replies: 349
Views: 91574

Re: Trolly Problem

Okay so my choice of the word "whim" was not good. How about "volition"? I don't think that helps things, since switch-pullers also don't think you can kill people just because you have a volition to kill people. it should be something that people are actually inclined to accept...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:34 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Trolley Problem
Replies: 349
Views: 91574

Re: Trolly Problem

The principle behind slavery is treating another person like property. The principle behind killing someone is treating that person's life like property. The principle behind firefighters destroying furniture is that furniture is property, ie. its "right to exist" is superseded by the whi...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Fri Apr 10, 2015 1:46 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Trolley Problem
Replies: 349
Views: 91574

Re: Trolly Problem

You can't give away something without implicitly taking ownership of it. A few problems: ⋅ In what sense is killing someone "giving their life away"? There are all kinds of situations where I destroy something without thereby giving it away. For example, burning a piece of paper...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Fri Apr 10, 2015 12:57 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Trolley Problem
Replies: 349
Views: 91574

Re: Trolly Problem

Cradarc, you have not yet explained in what sense the people on the tracks are being treated like slaves. You made an analogy to money, but I explained in this post why the analogy does not work. What is your response to that post? I can explain in more detail, if it would be helpful. The point is, ...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:04 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Trolley Problem
Replies: 349
Views: 91574

Re: Trolly Problem

By treating lives like money you are implying you, as the decision maker, "own "all the lives on the track. No, you're not. By your own definition of ownership, treating the lives of the people on the track like you own them means treating them like you have a right to do whatever you wan...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Thu Apr 09, 2015 5:13 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Trolley Problem
Replies: 349
Views: 91574

Re: Trolly Problem

I think we are debating about two different things. In your debate Question: Is Cradarc's position the best position? Pro: Cradarc Con: Forest Goose In your debate, I have the burden of proof. You don't have to defend anything, you merely have to cast doubt on any claim I make. In my debate Questio...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:50 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Trolley Problem
Replies: 349
Views: 91574

Re: Ly Tin Wheedle is going to need another drink for this o

The only reason the burden of proof is on us is because you framed the question that way. You decided taking action is "default" and unless we can prove otherwise, the default is the right choice. That has nothing to do with it. The burden of proof is on you because you're putting forward...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:52 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Trolley Problem
Replies: 349
Views: 91574

Re: Ly Tin Wheedle is going to need another drink for thith

Like you, we think the distinction between right and wrong exists outside of biology/psychology. However, as you mentioned, incorporating Glod into philosophical discussions is usually not a good idea. You may not believe in Glod, but talking about the existence of a transcendent morality that is j...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:24 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Trolley Problem
Replies: 349
Views: 91574

Re: Trolly Problem

I'm not trying to sell you my moral code. I'm showing you what it looks like, mainly because I'm interested in looking at yours. This is what a discussion is. It's not a debate about who's right or who's wrong. That's exactly what a discussion is, in my experience. Someone puts forward a view, and ...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:20 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Why is there a need to be labeled? (gender, sexuality, etc)
Replies: 237
Views: 53247

Re: Why is there a need to be labeled? (gender, sexuality, e

They are, but fictional tropes tend to reflect aspects of our culture. Why would there be a lot of characters who "just want to be special" if that weren't something that a lot of people identify with?

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