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by TheGrammarBolshevik
Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:29 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Racial Identity (Rachel Dolezal's resignation)
Replies: 87
Views: 14489

Re: Racial Identity (Rachel Dolezal's resignation)

What do you mean by "on a par"? Nowhere did Tirian suggest that Dolezal was protecting her own personal safety, or that trans people aren't protecting their own personal safety. He specifically denied that it was "the same" thing, although that's admittedly vague in the same way ...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:42 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is there anything objective about morality?
Replies: 720
Views: 81203

Re: Is there anything objective about morality?

Not only that, but you have to assume the kind of reductionism which Tyndmyr continues to refuse to defend.
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:04 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is there anything objective about morality?
Replies: 720
Views: 81203

Re: Is there anything objective about morality?

doogly: I don't know, I can see some of the appeal, especially if you swap out "wrong" for "irrational." When it comes to theoretical reason, it's natural to draw a distinction between what is the case, and what it's rational to believe is the case. You could have excellent reaso...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:55 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Racial Identity (Rachel Dolezal's resignation)
Replies: 87
Views: 14489

Re: Racial Identity (Rachel Dolezal's resignation)

Trans people I know, who know that among my close friends they are safe, have never lied to me about what gender they were assigned at birth. They may not like to talk about it in detail, which is totally fine and understandable, but they don't need to actively lie to non-transphobic people around ...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:08 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is there anything objective about morality?
Replies: 720
Views: 81203

Re: Is there anything objective about morality?

Your (3) is very telling. I'd hesitate to call it (and the others) objective, I'd say it's a rational bit of reasoning within a subjective value system. "Objective" has a lot more metaphysical baggage than "reasonable." The relative value people place on their own lives versus o...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:08 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Should religion be illegal for children?
Replies: 289
Views: 61538

Re: Should religion be illegal for children?

You keep referring to a "consensus" and talking about how "the scientific community" has determined that yadda yadda yadda. Even when you've deigned to cite actual evidence, it doesn't come anywhere close to establishing the consensus that you claim exists. What you've given us i...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Tue Jun 16, 2015 4:26 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Should religion be illegal for children?
Replies: 289
Views: 61538

Re: Should religion be illegal for children?

OK, you think that actual evidence for the empirical claim underlying your thesis is unattainable? And rather than seeing this as a reason for skepticism, you see it as a point in favor of what you're saying? "Well there's no evidence for this, but the evidence would be unattainable anyway, so ...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:32 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6248
Views: 900778

Re: Police misbehavior thread

To be fair, it's also used for black athletes who have the temerity to play quarterback.
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Sat Jun 13, 2015 12:38 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is there anything objective about morality?
Replies: 720
Views: 81203

Re: Is there anything objective about morality?

The former. How much do "those people" know about mathematics? It depends on the person, of course.
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Sat Jun 13, 2015 12:21 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is there anything objective about morality?
Replies: 720
Views: 81203

Re: Is there anything objective about morality?

Sorry, again, I've been busy. A question (caused but not part of the truth debate): 1. To qualawababel is eralotatel 2. what is eralotatel is also mamapel 3. Therefore, to qualawababel is mamapel Talking about syllogism you can of course put anything in that form even if it is meaningless nonsense l...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:21 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is there anything objective about morality?
Replies: 720
Views: 81203

Re: Is there anything objective about morality?

Syllogistic logic does not deal with that kind of reality. Truth values in that sense are abstract terms which deal with self-consistency of a series of derived statements. Nothing more. But this is just obviously false. The canonical example of a syllogism is: ⋅ Socrates is a man. ⋅...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:59 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is there anything objective about morality?
Replies: 720
Views: 81203

Re: Is there anything objective about morality?

Not at all. Nihilism and non-cognitivism would also be options. ? Why do you consider this two positions as incompatible with moral relativism? They're pretty much defined that way. Relativists hold that moral judgments are true relative to a framework. Nihilists hold that moral judgments are all f...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:03 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is there anything objective about morality?
Replies: 720
Views: 81203

Re: Is there anything objective about morality?

(Sorry for the late and wide-ranging responses. I've been busy for the past couple days.) If however your premise is the intutitve reasonableness of the belief that "Genghis Khan was wrong and would have been wrong even if we thought otherwise.", then, IMO, you have provided an argument. I...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Sun Jun 07, 2015 8:29 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is there anything objective about morality?
Replies: 720
Views: 81203

Re: Is there anything objective about morality?

- The assumption you introduce, as if it were simpler than your conclusion and something that an opponent might more easily get on board with, is actually just the entire argument I don't think simplicity or acceptability to an opponent are what I'm relying on. My idea is that some things seem init...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Sun Jun 07, 2015 7:59 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is there anything objective about morality?
Replies: 720
Views: 81203

Re: Is there anything objective about morality?

Non-contingency: Let me rephrase the argument to it's essence "I would like horrible things to be objectively wrong, that isn't the case if morals aren't objective." Look at the end of your paragraph, it assumes that murdering a city is objectively wrong to say that morals are objective T...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Sun Jun 07, 2015 7:24 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is there anything objective about morality?
Replies: 720
Views: 81203

Re: Is there anything objective about morality?

Non-contingency: Let me rephrase the argument to it's essence "I would like horrible things to be objectively wrong, that isn't the case if morals aren't objective." Look at the end of your paragraph, it assumes that murdering a city is objectively wrong to say that morals are objective T...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Sun Jun 07, 2015 5:12 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is there anything objective about morality?
Replies: 720
Views: 81203

Re: Is there anything objective about morality?

Arguing against objective morality without there being arguments for it you can argue against is like doing the same for souls. It's trying to prove a negative, you can't say much more than that you see no indication for it being a thing that exists? This just isn't true. Plenty of anti-realist arg...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Sun Jun 07, 2015 5:47 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Under what circumstances can humans be culled?
Replies: 36
Views: 11772

Re: Under what circumstances can humans be culled?

I have created a thread for discussing the objectivity (or lack thereof) of morality.
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Sun Jun 07, 2015 5:45 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is there anything objective about morality?
Replies: 720
Views: 81203

Is there anything objective about morality?

Moral subjectivists say that all there is to moral judgments is the attitudes of the person making the judgment. Moral relativists say that there are many moral frameworks, and a moral judgment is valid only relative to a certain framework (most often, the framework of the person making the judgment...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Sun Jun 07, 2015 1:55 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Should religion be illegal for children?
Replies: 289
Views: 61538

Re: Should religion be illegal for children?

To avoid the multiplication of quotes, I'm going to number my responses in parallel with the numbering on my original objections. ⋅ Sure, freedoms can conflict with each other, but I don't pretend that it's just a matter of saying "Hah, freedom, I win the argument." We can assign...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Sat Jun 06, 2015 11:53 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Should religion be illegal for children?
Replies: 289
Views: 61538

Re: Should religion be illegal for children?

Why would a liberal society allow its citizens to be forced into believing one thing when they don't have the competence and/or ability to question it or reject it? Nobody is suggesting that it should be OK to force people to believe things. The value I place on freedom of belief is precisely why I...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Sat Jun 06, 2015 10:05 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Should religion be illegal for children?
Replies: 289
Views: 61538

Re: Should religion be illegal for children?

There are about a zillion problems with this. Here are eight: ⋅ Why do you think that allowing children to be religious reflects a judgment about maturity, intelligence, or responsibility? We do not ordinarily require people to be mature, intelligent, or responsible in order to hold belief...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:11 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: In other news... (humorous news items)
Replies: 14720
Views: 2248683

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

That isn't at all what I've said. I know. I've been googling over whether you can file a civil claim over disorderly conduct or whether there is a Constitutional right to bodily autonomy that can be applied in civil cases and all those other things you've been talking about, but it turns out that I...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:58 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: In other news... (humorous news items)
Replies: 14720
Views: 2248683

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

That isn't at all what I've said.
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:47 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: In other news... (humorous news items)
Replies: 14720
Views: 2248683

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Is there something else that I'm missing? Yes. You've completely ignored the points made above about bodily autonomy, and about how being wronged isn't just a matter of getting sick and having to pay medical costs. I won't contest that spitting in a man's drink is an act of assault in spirit, but s...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:21 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: In other news... (humorous news items)
Replies: 14720
Views: 2248683

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

elasto wrote:You both give examples of crimes which involve physical violence.

I'm not sure I accept that this isn't also an example of physical violence.

sardia, I don't think that imagining specific scenarios of sexual assault add anything to the point about bodily autonomy.
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:25 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: In other news... (humorous news items)
Replies: 14720
Views: 2248683

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

I dunno. I see both sides really. This is spit, not blood or a punch. Noone thinks twice about french kissing their partner - because spit is really not that big a deal - or shouldn't be. You give a perfect example of something that is medically pretty safe, but is really fucked up and really illeg...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:01 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: In other news... (humorous news items)
Replies: 14720
Views: 2248683

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

I have a hard time finding fault with the plaintiff here. Spitting in someone's drink, like any form of putting things in people's food without their consent, is an immensely shitty thing to do. Apart from the health issues it raises, there's also an important point about bodily autonomy. It's for m...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Mon Jun 01, 2015 6:12 pm UTC
Forum: Movies and TV Shows
Topic: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)
Replies: 2102
Views: 315320

Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

KnightExemplar wrote:
Spoiler:
Valerian Steel sword must have dragon-glass shards in it or some equivalent

Spoiler:
I think it's been speculated, but unconfirmed until now, that Valyrian steel has the same WW-killing powers.
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Tue May 26, 2015 3:12 pm UTC
Forum: Movies and TV Shows
Topic: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)
Replies: 2102
Views: 315320

Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Second, there's absolutely no story development that results from further rape. It doesn't give anyone any further incentives, and it doesn't change anything about any of the different people's motives and stories, as I've explained above. Sansa would have been alone whether she...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Sat May 23, 2015 10:57 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6248
Views: 900778

Re: Police misbehavior thread

Some of us would even go so far as to read the actual decision, and question your claim that the shooting occurred "long after any potential danger."
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Fri May 22, 2015 1:54 am UTC
Forum: Logic Puzzles
Topic: Who Owns the Fish ?
Replies: 13
Views: 3667

Re: Who Owns the Fish ?

It's hard to not be literalistic with this kind of puzzle, as frequently the intended meaning is not the obvious interpretation. I don't find that at all. They're logic puzzles; the challenge is to deduce something that is logically entailed by the premises. Intending your premises to be ambiguous ...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Thu May 21, 2015 4:30 pm UTC
Forum: Logic Puzzles
Topic: Who Owns the Fish ?
Replies: 13
Views: 3667

Re: Who Owns the Fish ?

Seems rather literalistic to say that the puzzle is "flawed" because it doesn't say that someone owns a fish. That fact is pretty clearly implied by the question at the end.
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Wed May 20, 2015 5:18 pm UTC
Forum: Movies and TV Shows
Topic: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)
Replies: 2102
Views: 315320

Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Hmm, lemme rephrase that. She might have accepted it, but that would not mean that she consented.
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Wed May 20, 2015 4:49 pm UTC
Forum: Movies and TV Shows
Topic: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)
Replies: 2102
Views: 315320

Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

I would say that she accepted what would happen, but did not consent. There's a difference. For example, they happen at different times: she accepted the decision to go to Winterfell two episodes ago, for example, while she only could have consented to sex in the last episode. If Captain America rea...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Mon May 11, 2015 4:28 pm UTC
Forum: Mathematics
Topic: How to "prove" any statement is logically true.
Replies: 46
Views: 8230

Re: How to "prove" any statement is logically true.

It's not a paradox that works in mathematics, in the sense that it is not something that can be stated in a working system (of sufficient strength) - so it's a mathematical paradox in the sense that the barber paradox is a disproof of just such barbers. Sure, it's not a mathematical paradox in the ...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Mon May 11, 2015 1:26 am UTC
Forum: Mathematics
Topic: How to "prove" any statement is logically true.
Replies: 46
Views: 8230

Re: How to "prove" any statement is logically true.

It is an actual paradox; as I said above, it's the Curry Paradox (but with the conditional upgraded to a bionditional for no reason).
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Thu May 07, 2015 10:47 pm UTC
Forum: Logic Puzzles
Topic: Another six-statements logic puzzle
Replies: 11
Views: 3026

Re: Another six-statements logic puzzle

Both of these are consistent, until you look at F again; F says that if E is true then A is true. But there is a possible solution (a B cd E f) wherein E is true and A isn't. This proves that F is false, and means that a B cd E f is the only possible solution. I thought that the "i...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Mon May 04, 2015 5:34 am UTC
Forum: Logic Puzzles
Topic: Cheryl's Birthday
Replies: 29
Views: 6001

Re: Cheryl's Birthday

This is like the blue eyed puzzle: With two blue eyed islanders, if one doesn't see the other leave, they know their own eyes are blue, and the other islander didn't need to say anything. In this case, Bernard didn't need to say anything. As you keep adding scenarios, you realize August...
by TheGrammarBolshevik
Mon May 04, 2015 12:52 am UTC
Forum: Logic Puzzles
Topic: Cheryl's Birthday
Replies: 29
Views: 6001

Re: Cheryl's Birthday

Spoiler:
Couldn't you get the same puzzle, but without the implicit "Bernard would speak up if he knew anything" rule, if you just have Bernard first say that he doesn't know?

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