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by Zcorp
Thu May 28, 2009 8:35 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 549722

Re: Religion: The Deuce

Already did: No you provided one example where Christ says that one example of the old testament should be looked at differently. Not that all of the old testament is called to be just history. Your argument is a straw-man : The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's...
by Zcorp
Thu May 28, 2009 5:09 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 549722

Re: Religion: The Deuce

Intolerance? I don't see anything like that? Quote it. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. God is intolerant those who care more...
by Zcorp
Thu May 28, 2009 9:27 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Utility of Religion
Replies: 301
Views: 33021

Re: Utility of Religion

@guenther May 24th "Lack of religion would be quite bad" is stating that it is inherently less useful and moral, unless your claim is that bad does not mean morals and usefulness of non-Christianity are less good for society. Also in almost all of these religion threads no one is actually...
by Zcorp
Thu May 28, 2009 8:32 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 549722

Re: Religion: The Deuce

If you're not an ancient Israelite, you don't have to follow those laws. No such thing is in the New Testament, which doesn't call for the death of anyone. Most of the Old Testament is record, not doctrine, and Christ did endeavor to make it clear that many of the practices found therein should not...
by Zcorp
Sun May 24, 2009 5:12 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Utility of Religion
Replies: 301
Views: 33021

Re: Utility of Religion

I make no claim that non-religious behavior is inherently less moral or useful. My theory is that it's good, quite good, for society. And a lack of religion would be quite bad. I thought that is exactly what you were claiming. They're all from Wikipedia. In there it notes that while religion and ha...
by Zcorp
Sat May 23, 2009 5:09 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Utility of Religion
Replies: 301
Views: 33021

Re: Utility of Religion

Nothing shows it is more difficult to get people to follow basic morality (although I would presume is not, and morals and civic duty can be taught in a manner to appeal to reason much more persuasively through science although it takes more effort by each individual) and as you call non-religion do...
by Zcorp
Sat May 23, 2009 6:24 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Utility of Religion
Replies: 301
Views: 33021

Re: Utility of Religion

In summary, religion is not the best way to retain morality as is evident throughout history and there are much better ways of finding guidance that don't require the suspension of logical thought. What is a better way to maintain morality and to find guidance? What is the evidence? Science. Eviden...
by Zcorp
Sat May 23, 2009 4:48 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 549722

Re: Religion: The Deuce

Again sorry for the length between posts. It seems I may not be articulating my point as well as I believed. I'll try to be a bit more careful. In response to MochLiecthy2, May 13th: Yes, I'm speaking to the broadest sense of Christianity and not any individuals beliefs. I'm questioning what that br...
by Zcorp
Tue May 12, 2009 6:57 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 549722

Re: Religion: The Deuce

In response to MoghLiecthy2: My goal was to list things of varying levels of central-ness to christian faith, and things toward the end of that list are either currently impossible to debunk or may be impossible to debunk. It was just a list to bring about an idea close to god of the gaps. Christian...
by Zcorp
Sat May 09, 2009 12:49 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 549722

Re: The religious becoming a minority

Even if Naturalism were true, then it'd still be extremely unlikely that science would be able to study all that exists, but rather only that which is empirically observable. Yup, and as you say some things may not be empirically observable, but thats an assumption. Religion, when it answers questi...
by Zcorp
Fri May 08, 2009 7:41 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 549722

Re: The religious becoming a minority

So I really challenge your point that religion and science can be mutually exclusive. To me, science is not interested about the questions religion can answer. Religion provides a belief structure it does not provide empirical answer any of the questions. And of course science is interested in the ...
by Zcorp
Fri May 08, 2009 4:04 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Immortallity
Replies: 9
Views: 1478

Re: Immortallity

A couple different fictional characters Leto from Dune, or Asimov's D.Olivaw are presented with this scenario (sort of, more understanding humanity then existence). Olivaw had a bit less choice in the matter though. Being stuck in a human body for the duration is quite unlikely as it see...
by Zcorp
Fri May 08, 2009 12:17 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 549722

Re: The religious becoming a minority

1. I think it's fair to let everyone know where I am getting my observations from, at least geographically. I'm from a middle class, Republican county in New Jersey. It's basically an island of conservatism (well, at least conservative for NJ, but the Republican party always wins here) in a sea of ...
by Zcorp
Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:31 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Design your own ideal education system
Replies: 53
Views: 11450

Re: Design your own ideal education system

Specifics on how I learn best: On subject at a time for a lengthy period (6-8 hours) each day. (much like cspirou) Lots of discussion and group projects (with motivated peers who also work well in groups). During the scheduled school time have assigned tasks that need to be done, that are then gone ...

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