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by Thesh
Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:01 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

Ah, so you believe the only way to create a profit is by reducing production. This is an odd belief. Businesses strive all of the time to produce and sell as much as possible. This is just supply and demand; if you sell at cost there is more demand than if you sell at above cost, ipso facto to prof...
by Thesh
Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:35 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

Look, you're insulting a lot, and you're not contributing much. If you have different ideas about what a state is, perhaps you could share those with the rest of us, instead of calling us all stupid for not using your definition? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_%28polity%29 A state is a compuls...
by Thesh
Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:52 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

It's not anti-democracy. It's just accepting that people really, really hate tedium. And again, as I said, this is the whole fucking point I was making. Libertarians are absolutely unwilling to actually do anything but dismiss other ideas. So you ignore where I explain how it would be done without ...
by Thesh
Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:09 am UTC
Forum: Food
Topic: Food fleeting thoughts
Replies: 181
Views: 23939

Re: Food fleeting thoughts

I think the primary reason is just that white meat is leaner and the fact that the breast is a nice big piece of meat without a bone running through it like the thigh.
by Thesh
Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:44 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

And what if they decide they want spying? I have given one example of how I personally find it useful, and I could give many more. The only question that matters is whether they would agree to the lack of privacy we have today. It's also arrogant to dismiss any criticisms as 'you obviously haven't ...
by Thesh
Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:57 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

And I really don't get how your brand of libertarianism would give you better control over your privacy than now. Right now at least there is some level of government-enforced limitation on what companies can get away with. If there was no government regulation, by definition companies would be fre...
by Thesh
Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:41 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

Could you at least make an effort to spell my name correctly? Are you just trolling? I've replied to many of your posts with the correct spelling. Obviously it was a typo. You misspelled it twice in a row, and I've let it slide when you've misspelled it in the past. After a while, it gets annoying....
by Thesh
Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:20 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

Could you at least make an effort to spell my name correctly? Don't assume his criticism of (your approach to) libertarianism means he's not critical of the way things operate currently. It merely means he has different ideas for how to fix things than you do. I've had many many many debates with hi...
by Thesh
Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:06 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

ucim, you were responding to me explaining what I believed best, so I don't care about your idea of what libertarianism is; the only thing you have shown is that you are capable of rationalizing why anything different than capitalism is bad, and why every negative feature of capitalism is actually a...
by Thesh
Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:16 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

I don't have democratic government and nor do you. I have representative government. That means I vote for the person I think best capable of representing my interests. Representative democracy is still democracy. So, you believe there exists an all-knowing individual who is capable of making bette...
by Thesh
Sun Jul 22, 2018 3:38 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

Do you read all your government regulations? So, obviously, you can't have democratic government because then you would just have to vote on every little thing. Seriously, there is no argument here but "People are stupid". The fact that advertising works (again, factual, not an 'assertion'...
by Thesh
Sun Jul 22, 2018 3:03 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

"Decentralized democracy cannot work, because people are incapable of knowing everything about everything, and people would have to vote on every little thing, because there is only one possible way to do things" requires more than an assertion. It's just a bullshit rationalization for why...
by Thesh
Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:14 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

Then I'm not sure what your point is. You seem to be just looking to assume people cannot solve problems in order to dismiss the idea of functioning democracy, while expressing absolutely nothing but cynicism about humanity. Literally, you had absolutely nothing to add to this conversation but to vo...
by Thesh
Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:03 pm UTC
Forum: Movies and TV Shows
Topic: Thoughts on Goa'uld: population growth and similarity to Yeerks
Replies: 16
Views: 2054

Re: Thoughts on Goa'uld: population growth and similarity to Yeerks

The whole point of the Jaffa is that they are warriors. The rituals are just about enforcing ideas of honor so the Jaffa will be loyal to the Goa'uld, but the primary purpose of the Jaffa is to be warriors. The symbiotes heal them, and give them strength in battle. That the vast majority of the symb...
by Thesh
Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:47 pm UTC
Forum: Movies and TV Shows
Topic: Thoughts on Goa'uld: population growth and similarity to Yeerks
Replies: 16
Views: 2054

Re: Thoughts on Goa'uld: population growth and similarity to Yeerks

speising wrote:the Goa'uld don't carry symbiotes. they *are* the snakes.


That was obviously a typo.
by Thesh
Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:06 pm UTC
Forum: Movies and TV Shows
Topic: Thoughts on Goa'uld: population growth and similarity to Yeerks
Replies: 16
Views: 2054

Re: Thoughts on Goa'uld: population growth and similarity to Yeerks

The first is how do the Goa'uld prevent explosive population growth. The Jaffa serve as incubators for young Goa'uld and it seems that a single Jaffa will carry several symbiotes to maturity in his or her lifetime. I think the main reason the Goa'uld carry symbiotes is because it makes them stronge...
by Thesh
Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:28 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

My understanding was that ucim was advocating for a libertarian capitalist form of government - "people don't work in the interests of others" and "I don't expect people to act in my interests". That is, he's promoting the idea of a system based on the libertarian idea of mutuall...
by Thesh
Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:06 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

Thesh, I’m not sure how you read all that into ucim’s comment. It sounded clearly to me like he was saying that having to collectively bargain about everything they bought would be onerous work for consumers to do, and hence they largely wouldn’t bother to do it, but that someone should do it anywa...
by Thesh
Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:29 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

I am not talking about wealthy people. You are the one with the wealth hangup. I'm talking about elected officials. Many are wealthy, yes. Many of them are white Christians. Am I saying "only white Christians know what's best" because I think consumer protection is a valid role of governm...
by Thesh
Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:38 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

Why would you assume all of that? Because people operate in their own interests, not in the interests of others. What in the fuck are you talking about? Are you deliberately fucking dense? Not only does that have absolutely nothing to do with what I said, how you get from that to "Therefore, a...
by Thesh
Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:36 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

[You, as a consumer, would need to join a collective bargaining association (a union) for pretty much everything you buy, and every company you buy it from. Think of all the meetings, subcommittees, ad hoc committees, email chains, legal consultations, etc, you'd need to ensure that toasters are sa...
by Thesh
Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:30 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

Basic rule of thumb: the more flexible your structures are, the more efficient your economy will be and the easier it will be for anyone to get the things that they want. Private property ownership tends to lead to larger and larger, less and less flexible structures over time.
by Thesh
Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:19 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

Yeah, I've used the terms left-libertarian and libertarian socialist both in this thread, and I use both of them to describe myself, as I think does Thesh, though they're probably more in the mainstream of them than me (because I am, unlike most of them, still propertarian, despite being anti-capit...
by Thesh
Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:17 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

It's more a question of whether the public has a choice in the matter.
by Thesh
Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:34 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

I think the assumption is that because the free market is the aggregate of consumer preferences, ultimately it's the consumers who made the decisions and so they should be liable.
by Thesh
Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:17 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

If a decision is dictated, it's freedom. If it's arrived at democratically, it's tyranny. You are completely incapable of viewing economics from any other perspective than that of the property owner. It's like your entire view of economics is that unless someone can use power over others to gain mon...
by Thesh
Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:57 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

Another thought: if you are paying people a premium for risk, are you not just encouraging more bubbles? If people can invest in 10 different companies in a new industry, knowing at least one or two will be dominant and your expected returns will be positive, then they can act in a way in which ther...
by Thesh
Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:19 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

Tyndmyr, at this point I don't really see you as having good intentions for libertarianism. You really just don't seem to care at all about outcomes, and just want to be an apologist for capitalism. Literally, you default to the position that unless we can prove that it's worse for society, we shoul...
by Thesh
Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:25 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

FYI, I added a third thing. Requiring liability is necessary to make sure that people can't profit off of criminal activity and then get off because you can't prove they were aware of it. If you let a dog roam the neighborhood, you are legally liable for criminal negligence if they bite someone. You...
by Thesh
Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:39 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

I think if Libertarian-Capitalism is actually going to be functional, at least three things need to happen: 1) Limited liability corporations need to be eliminated. You want to say a corporation is a part of your body, then you are legally liable for all of its actions. 2) Absentee ownership needs t...
by Thesh
Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:10 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

I mean, close control of printing money is...probably a good thing given the whole "risk of inflation and money supply issues". Yes, libertarians are always worried about that. So much so, that they want higher interest rates, even though higher interest rates slow economic growth. They t...
by Thesh
Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:17 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

My problem with most thinking on that matter is it tends to only consider how your actions affect those around you. You also need to be considerate of future generations; we should try to make sure that the individuals who will be alive in the future are going to have at least as much as we do today...
by Thesh
Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:46 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

I think every libertarian recognizes that unlimited freedom simply leads to domination of the weak by the strong, which is no freedom at all. Where right-libertarians fail is that they define freedom by the non-aggression principle, and then develop a philosophy that assumes the freedom we have over...
by Thesh
Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:19 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

The problem is suggesting that we should not have a right to stop people from abusing power like that, on the hope that the free market will sort it out.
by Thesh
Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:53 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

Socialist: "Why should we allow people to use their power to spite people who they hate?"
Capitalist: "Ideally, everyone would love everyone."
by Thesh
Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:32 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

Nazi Germany did most of the initial development work, and provided most of the education, for building our rockets.
by Thesh
Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:24 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

Authoritarianism isn't a binary thing. You're the one who wants the government to use it's authority to forbid loans unless they meet the specific, highly unusual requirements you set forth. We're the ones saying "let them do whatever they want". So, in this particular example, you are ad...
by Thesh
Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:10 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

Authoritarianism isn't a binary thing.
by Thesh
Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:06 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

You need a strong leader with vision, who knows what's best for the people, because the people are incapable of acting in their own best interest without them.
by Thesh
Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:48 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27384

Re: Libertarianism

I don't think the iphone would exist without wealth inequality; neither would SpaceX. To get these things, you need concentrated wealth under the control of somebody with vision.


And that's why you are an authoritarian.

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