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by morriswalters
Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:59 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 542641

Re: Religion: The Deuce

Infernovia, that's fine. It doesn't really give up anything but as you will. In point of fact it's not really doable politically. It's just tiresome that people have so little faith in what they preach that they feel that they have tell others what they can do or think. Critical or scientific reason...
by morriswalters
Sat Oct 01, 2011 2:14 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 542641

Re: Religion: The Deuce

No we're discussing the reasoning that people use in everyday life to make decisions. A method they can use to prevent them from making what you call errors. The idea is that it is that reason is a tool to allow anyone to look at any proposition and make an intelligent decision on it. Certainly the ...
by morriswalters
Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:33 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 542641

Re: Religion: The Deuce

This is a fairly standard technique for you isn't it? I could point to several instances where you have done the same thing. That being to accuse someone of not correctly assessing the argument, therefore saying they are arguing a point they don't really understand, and then pointing them to Amazon ...
by morriswalters
Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:01 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 542641

Re: Religion: The Deuce

what do you think makes people make good decisions? When you or anyone else finds out, tell the world and get a Nobel Prize. The concept determines the criteria. If you mean what makes me think that creationism is doesn't reflect reality, I can't give you a clear answer. I know the easy answer, whi...
by morriswalters
Fri Sep 30, 2011 7:28 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 542641

Re: Religion: The Deuce

I'm not concerned about anyone pushing back against creationism in public schools. But however much you might hate it, that's a political decision, not a rational one. In terms of teaching reasoning skills, I'm fine with that to. What I disagree with is the idea that it will make people make good de...
by morriswalters
Fri Sep 30, 2011 3:23 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 542641

Re: Religion: The Deuce

The response was to the statement that they are mandated to teach actual reliable science and certified curriculum , if they DON'T teach these things, then the diploma you get from the school isn't worth the paper its printed on when you go to apply for a college No more no less. They may well test ...
by morriswalters
Fri Sep 30, 2011 1:36 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 542641

Re: Religion: The Deuce

In South Dakota, the curriculum instructions from the state department of education is limited to mandating two topics: language arts and mathematics, and only the “basic skills” skills of these. In other states, such as Pennsylvania or New York, you’ll find a good deal more detail. But knowing the...
by morriswalters
Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:50 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 542641

Re: Religion: The Deuce

From the Wikipedia scientific theory" is generally understood to refer to a proposed explanation of empirical phenomena, made in a way consistent with scientific method. However, since, as I've said over and over again, those supposedly easy skills are not so easy to teach, you should see the p...
by morriswalters
Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:30 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 542641

Re: Religion: The Deuce

I don't underestimate children's reasoning skills, but reasoning requires context. Children don't have it. They are neither mature emotionally or physically. Brain development is incomplete. In other words they are children, which is why they don't have the same rights as adults. Your very argument ...
by morriswalters
Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:11 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 542641

Re: Religion: The Deuce

What children are taught is the responsibility of the parents. Which is why, although education is mandatory, public education is not. You can't educate out Religion. To do so you would have to transfer control of the children to some other authority. I won't hand my children to some other authority...
by morriswalters
Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:32 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Who should have the right to vote?
Replies: 175
Views: 48510

Re: Who should have the right to vote?

Just a thought or two. Are a lot of felons voters? In any case loss of the ability to vote is not permanent . Should immigrants illegal or otherwise be able to vote until they understand the process? A Down's child would not necessarily be denied the right to vote although poll watchers could challe...
by morriswalters
Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:08 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 542641

Re: Religion: The Deuce

I can certainly see making others incapable of interfering with your freedom as long as you offer them freedom within their own boundaries. Narrow options? No, I very much mean freely discussing ideas, I also very much mean dismissing poor ideas (or categorizing if you the semantics there bring abou...
by morriswalters
Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:34 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 542641

Re: Religion: The Deuce

Given your interpretation it's a wonder the church didn't proscribe printing. Muslims did. Zcorp educate away, but I think, much like educators today, that you are going to hit limits. There exist points of view that we may be getting close to the limits of that process now. And I've seen no proof f...
by morriswalters
Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:21 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 542641

Re: Religion: The Deuce

Infernovia, am not seeking to do anything. I don't need to. God is dying. Gutenberg won the battle around 1400 AD.(I'm too lazy to look up the exact date right now.) But he dangerous even in his death throes. If you choose to go fang to fang with him then have at it, but I'll pass. But the thing tha...
by morriswalters
Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:22 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 542641

Re: Religion: The Deuce

@Tomo From the Wikipedia It can also refer to beliefs that are not based on proof (e.g. faith that a child will grow up to be a good person) This is how Podbaydoor defined it. You can't know the outcome when you start a business. Too many variables, too many unknowns. You have belief in your skills ...
by morriswalters
Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:07 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 542641

Re: Religion: The Deuce

From the top down, you keep track. That would mean they are made up. Capricious. Unless you can show a verifiable mechanism that produces them. It's pitched exactly to her definition. Look at the hidden assumption. There is no evidence that most people can or even want to do these things, even some ...
by morriswalters
Tue Sep 27, 2011 4:38 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 542641

Re: Religion: The Deuce

Also, the idea that morality is religion-driven and that without it we have no morality is pathetic, wrong, and insulting. Who said that? However since you brought it up. Where do you think they come from? Yes. Which is why destroying religion is not the only aim, promoting rationality, evidence-ba...
by morriswalters
Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:54 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 542641

Re: Religion: The Deuce

Guenther, take your faith and enjoy it. It is no better and no worse then the many beliefs held by others. Takes a lot of faith to say something like that :P. In general, superiority and inferiority is inherent in any subjective viewpoint. When one ends up saying that it is "no better or worse...
by morriswalters
Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:28 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 542641

Re: Religion: The Deuce

Guenther, take your faith and enjoy it. It is no better and no worse then the many beliefs held by others. Including the one often espoused here that men are rational and that given time they will make the world a better place. There is no evidence to support that idea and at least some modicum evid...
by morriswalters
Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:53 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 542641

Re: Religion: The Deuce

Are you including the period from 400 AD to 1400 AD in this assessment? Yep. I thought of leaving that single word as that answer, but I'll expand. At the end of that period of time the society has achieved the enough stability to be able to take the tools that would appear and run with them. Place...
by morriswalters
Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:27 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 542641

Re: Religion: The Deuce

Edit: I've decided that I need to be clearer. Guenther has never claimed that Christians aren't human. His claim is to the Philosophy of Christianity. Given the totality of their works it's not very hard to see that the culture that they inhabit has certainly done as well or better as any. Are you ...
by morriswalters
Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:52 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 542641

Re: Religion: The Deuce

His claim is a easy one to make but a hard one to refute. In general they don't. It's fairly easy to show that in broad overviews they certainly don't act the same as say, Muslims. They certainly act differently then say atheists. None of which says that they don't have commonalities. It's easy, if ...
by morriswalters
Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:48 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 542641

Re: Religion: The Deuce

In fact a common feature is religious organizations and individuals justifying their violation of laws with the claim that their religion allows them the privilege - assuming they haven't gotten their justifications enshrined in the law in the first place. My point to you and gmalivuk is that you c...
by morriswalters
Sun Sep 25, 2011 3:49 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 542641

Re: Religion: The Deuce

Do you think that any of these things wouldn't have happened without Religion? It's about people. Religion is just the casus belli. Had it not been there it would have been something else.

Note: I've taken license with casus belli
by morriswalters
Sat Sep 24, 2011 1:17 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Finance behind wall street protests
Replies: 51
Views: 7256

Re: Occupy Wall Street - USA Anticorporate Protests

Okay, maybe. Perhaps this is a simplistic take on it, but who could have been smart enough to understand the securities for sale? As the owner of a 401k I never invested in a MBS. I never play games where I don't understand the rules. Yet I took a hit. I didn't pay mortgage roulette so I paid off my...
by morriswalters
Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:01 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Finance behind wall street protests
Replies: 51
Views: 7256

Re: Occupy Wall Street - USA Anticorporate Protests

Who lost money in the financial markets? It seems to me that sellers of bad debt made out like bandits. They had no reason to care if the debt were either good or bad, or am I mistaken? Was there a requirement that companies selling mortgage backed securities should have had blood in the game? That ...
by morriswalters
Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:28 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Mississippi's Personhood Amendment
Replies: 594
Views: 46414

Re: Mississippi's Personhood Amendment

If your really upset about this and wish to do something here are some links.
Center For Reproductive Rights
Planned Parenthood
by morriswalters
Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:49 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 542641

Re: Religion: The Deuce

I believe point a to be true but I don't think it's been proved it, yet.
by morriswalters
Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:51 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Mississippi's Personhood Amendment
Replies: 594
Views: 46414

Re: Mississippi's Personhood Amendment

My posts have never said that a women has has been raped should carry a child to term, or for that matter that any women should not have a abortion if she feels she has to. I have simply said that some women and men don't use any protection, period, and I don't like that. While I agree that if a wom...
by morriswalters
Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:56 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 542641

Re: Religion: The Deuce

And something seeming unlikely or outlandish doesn't make it false. DSenette you still haven't given me any evidence that tells me why the resurrection is unlikely, other than the knee-jerk response that 'supernatural things don't happen' As much as I hate to agree with DSenette about anything, why...
by morriswalters
Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:57 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Mississippi's Personhood Amendment
Replies: 594
Views: 46414

Re: Mississippi's Personhood Amendment

This chart gives a list of methods. Роберт spare me your sarcasm. You must be arguing against that guy who blames women for getting raped. You know, that other douchbag. I'm the douchbag who is for trying versus not trying.

edit: I suppose making the link active would help.
by morriswalters
Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:07 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Mississippi's Personhood Amendment
Replies: 594
Views: 46414

Re: Mississippi's Personhood Amendment

For the record Cathy I don't think anyone has implied that a women's only options are chemicals. Condoms are portable and easy to use and have the added sub benefit of giving you some measure of protection against STD's. There are also holistic methods as well as other mechanical methods. D******g s...
by morriswalters
Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:13 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is health care a fundemental human right?
Replies: 247
Views: 27359

Re: Is health care a fundemental human right?

If that were not the case, than only those who led productive lives, and earned enough money to extend their lives would be able to extend them. Their existence is a benefit to society, and society doesn't even have to pay for their existence, because they want to exist, and can afford to. Society ...
by morriswalters
Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:11 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Mississippi's Personhood Amendment
Replies: 594
Views: 46414

Re: Mississippi's Personhood Amendment

In point of fact when it comes to a vote in Mississippi people will make their choices based on their personal opinions about this while not giving a fuck that you think it's none of their business. And on that day, they will vote yes or no. There is no space next to "no" for "but I'...
by morriswalters
Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:02 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Mississippi's Personhood Amendment
Replies: 594
Views: 46414

Re: Mississippi's Personhood Amendment

What's incredibly special is your continued insistence that anyone should care about your distaste. Okay, you have a distaste for a group of people that barely exists in the form you seem to think they do. Awesome. I mean, that's pretty dickish, but no one gives even one quarter of a shit. But any ...
by morriswalters
Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:19 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Mississippi's Personhood Amendment
Replies: 594
Views: 46414

Re: Mississippi's Personhood Amendment

You know I think your right. I admire your reasoning. So since it's none of my business, then I shouldn't bother with it. I shouldn't support public financing of abortions through medicaid. "I truly believe in your rights, madam, and will support them to the bitter end... unless you stop prete...
by morriswalters
Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:54 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Mississippi's Personhood Amendment
Replies: 594
Views: 46414

Re: Mississippi's Personhood Amendment

My apologies.
by morriswalters
Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:45 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Mississippi's Personhood Amendment
Replies: 594
Views: 46414

Re: Mississippi's Personhood Amendment

You know what continues to still be none of your fucking business? The actions of other people that have nothing to do with you. Condom or no condom, birth control or no birth control, pulling a train of men in the gas station bathroom or monogamous partner, how they have sex and why they need an a...
by morriswalters
Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:27 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Mississippi's Personhood Amendment
Replies: 594
Views: 46414

Re: Mississippi's Personhood Amendment

Torchship as much as I appreciate a voice of reason, stand clear. Yes Podbaydoor, I believe in personal responsibility and I won't back off on that one goddamn bit. Even one is too many if their is any other alternative. There's not. So I accept it. But I don't like it. 800,000 or so thousand of abo...
by morriswalters
Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:32 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Mississippi's Personhood Amendment
Replies: 594
Views: 46414

Re: Mississippi's Personhood Amendment

Ultimately this is a political question. 90 years ago women didn't have the vote and nobody asked them. Today they share the vote with men. 90 years from now women may have the decision to themselves. Until that magical moment arrives men are going to be asked to help solve the political question. I...

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