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Just to end this. I'm pretty sure if it's between those two, that Viae is scum. As much as I hate Van this game, and I'd lynch her just to make my life easier, all my info makes Viae seem more likely to be the FINAL scum. I am pretty sure Chand was scum based on info I had, so a Viae vote seems pretty likely to end the game, provided we have no indies we need to kill here. I'm reasonably sure FAOT is town based on my info here so...

Vote: Viae

Lets end this.

Viae wrote:Lataro had better come up with something good now (I believe I'm the last one to claim?), because I'm getting tired of the whole "Do EXACTLY as I say or Else."

Not true.

You've no idea how much I want you dead Van, words to describe how you've been acting this game elude good taste to use.

I'm not making another post (Except small little meh ones to avoid activity issues) til everyone who hasn't has claimed their animal, and preferably, their book, does so. Only a few people haven't, and it'd be nice to be able to catch people in lies before I give any useful information. Mav's book can be an exception, since she is confirmed town by a dead sane cop. Once that is out there, I'll fully disclose my role and all the information I've acquired.

If people want to be difficult and refuse to claim, that's fine. To the rest of you, make your own decisions on the matter. Either pressure them to claim, or lynch me, because those are the only two routes from here, as far as I am concerned.

Okay, whatever happened D2 at the end, is pretty crappy. Anyone wanna take credit for why the day ended early, or a double vote? I would of been screaming to string Misnomer up for taking it to L-1, then having it end like that. I would of REALLY like confirming Chandani as scum before doing this. I take it her death was your kill cjdrum queued for start of day? I demand everyone who hasn't claim their animal and book right now. It will be crystal clear as to my reasons afterwards. I will not go into any details on my role til after this has occurred.

I actually should stipulate, I know it for a fact, provided town doesn't have a rolecop whose power functions with a conditional needing to be met along with it. All I'll say about this, is my role provides me a list of certain information.

Unvote

Don't get him to L-1, scum can hammer and end the day before the kill!

If you trust me, kill Chandani, I KNOW she is scum. There isn't any doubt here, I KNOW it as a fact.

Seeing as deadline is sometime tomorrow morning, and Van and GoP each have two votes on 'em, and I'm not feeling too good on either of 'em.

Unvote
Vote: GoP

Meh on Chaldani, she's had time to claim something if she was going to, so if the kill goes her way, I wouldn't much care.

Gopher of Pern wrote:

Lataro wrote:I'm not against a Van lynch/kill, obviously. If I had to pick a second person though, my money would be on GoP.

Do you want to explain why?

No, if I did, I'd of done so.

I'm not against a Van lynch/kill, obviously. If I had to pick a second person though, my money would be on GoP.

Ya know what? fuck it. I've got the list narrowed to a handful of people. You've yet to offer anything at all of substance Van, and just been making short, mostly meaningless posts, and seeming WAY too opportunistic.

Vote: Van

if that happens, then I get a good laugh, and to make mocking spoilers, so meh. Either way, I'm not claiming a damned thing.

What is this? A daytime soap opera? That'd make a good theme for a mafia game actually...

unvote cjdrum

As for my statement, I have good reason for making it. I won't go into any more details on it though at this time.

cjdrum, kill iberra right now or you are scum. If you are telling the truth about a one-shot vig, and that you have no night action, do it now. You have changed positions and flip-flopped so radically since last night on your stance that it is ridiculous. IF you are telling the truth, and you don't use it today, it won't matter anyway, since as you said, you make a nice NK target since you've stated it's a day kill, and the doctor, or at least, a doctor, IF more than one ever existed, is already dead.

As to your, "But, if I were scum, obviously, I'd counter-claim cop!" is just pure wine. If it's so obvious, then why would you do it? It'd be far smarter if it's so obvious to just claim no power and act like a helpless townie being picked on by bullies. This is just pure wine crap. Meaningless.

Prove it right now or you are scum IMO. IF you are telling the truth, it is (random out of my ass number) 86% likely Iberra is scum. I for one am not that keen on letting this roll over til D3, when we can have a guaranteed scum killed today, in Iberra or cjdrum. We don't need to wait for the reveal on Iberra's role, just prove your ability.

So... who here doesn't think cjdrum just made an incredibly freaking super scummy post?

:waits:

no one? Bold is mine.

cjdrum wrote:I... Don't even have a night power.

Either something is wrong with your logic, something is wrong with your power, or (most likely) you are scum.

So, the best assumption you can make is that scum randomly choose someone to lynch at the cost of one of their own members early in the game? Really? THAT is the most likely thing? REALLY? That'd be a horrible scum move, IMO. Lets ignore that for now though. Your first position is that there is a logical flaw in Iberra's post. Let's see...

Well, I just re-read it, it looks like their logic was, "I am a watcher, I choose cjdrum, the result returned was VZ" Hmm... I don't see how any possible logical flaw could exist in that statement. There was no statement that you were explicitly scum, no vote, or anything, just an open ended statement. Seems like a perfectly logical thing to me

IF Person A is a watcher AND they target a given person, THEN, they know who that person targeted. From their perspective, the conditional was fulfilled if truly claimed, so the result followed.

In sum, that is just plain wrong on so many levels to say their logic is wrong.

As to the power, that is valid to question, but by virtue of your (over) reaction, I'd say it's pry not the case.


And, you were already looking scummy from your little "I prefer scum roles. Oh, and this a PyP so yeah" thing. Whoever brought that point up, I commend you.

How is this in any way, shape, or form valid? I brought that point up by the way. I did so as an "This is an example of a possible townie spilling wine" situation, when they made the accusation that no townies spill wine on purpose, when they themselves did so. That was not in any way an accusation that they are scum based on that alone. This is just some hardcore BS.

So, without further ado,
vote: Ibarra

For either false claim or false information, as well as likely to be scum.

So, you'd lynch someone who may have false information due to an aspect of their role, or it's interactions with another role causing them to have bad info? Really?

Yeah.

Ditto.

I'd assume Iberra left it open at the end in case you had an action you used on VZ, like a cop, PM ability, or some other random power, and for you to be able to respond. You've claimed no night action, so that is now moot.

Vote: cjdrum

For making the most scummy post possible in response to Iberra's claim. I can't find one thing in there that doesn't scream scum.

Misnomer wrote:Lataro, I'm not questioning your playstyle if you are indeed telling the truth - like with a miller, it is the right action. What am I am saying however is that it is an extremely conveniant cover for scum, and that even if you are honest, your role could easily do a lot more damage to town than it will do to scum.

Lataro wrote:I looked at it as far more townies exist than scum, last game, a ton of people had night actions, and I'd rather not kill a townie, however, odds were good that I would, so I claimed.

Yeah.... i know, that is the very reason I said I claimed for. If town knows not to target me, then I kill zero (non-retarded) townies! If scum think I'm full of crap, then they can have at me.

unvote

Even though I'm not gonna vote for mpolo here, by unvoting Misnomer in this situation, I mind as well of. This way someone can't tie the lynch though with one vote.

If anyone has any kind of lie detector, Misnomer's claim would be a good one to check out. Just saying.

Spoilered for profanity, venting, and angry outburst.



Now... okay, Misnomer OMGUS votes to try and avoid getting lynched. He then says absolutely nothing at all in the post in the way of content. He completely ignores the second half of my statement of why I voted for him, which was precisely because I believe he should of been able to easily figure out that there isn't that much difference between my claim, and as Mav put it, a miller claim. I looked at it as far more townies exist than scum, last game, a ton of people had night actions, and I'd rather not kill a townie, however, odds were good that I would, so I claimed.

After all the miller crap discussion in Misnomer's HUAC game, I figured he'd of figured that out right away, and his ignoring of that, and in fact putting out feelers for a me bandwagon down the line, was scummy as all hell. His continued silence on the matter suggests that he was well aware, yet instead of looking elsewhere, he went back to the bandwagon he tried to test the waters on before voting earlier. Seriously, anyone who was all angsty about my claim looks hella scummy to me, since it was the only real move I could make, given the nature of my role, and I trust people's intelligence to realize that.

As for the fatalistic, part of it is the spoiler stuff above, part of it is the last paragraph, and the last part is I'm a jerk who if people really want to lynch me when I am town, and I'm annoyed at the time, I'd rather just get lynched and die so I can rub it in their faces when my role is revealed, see Scrubs.

So, a number of people have mentioned a me lynch. Nice.

Well, whatever, I'm not going into any more detail of my role, if I get lynched then screw it.

I suppose this is where I randomly vote for someone else in a non-caring attempt to offer up a different lynch choice.

Meh.

Vote: Misnomer

Half OMGUS, half he should be smart enough to see the reasoning behind the claim, and appears to be ignoring it.

last game, they were satan in a PyP, or some other obvious anti-town role, I don't remember, they specifically went for anti-town things though. This is a PyP. It is not hard to try and influence your alignment by sending in specific things that would be hard to be justified as pro-town. There are any number of fictional creatures that could have no purpose other than evil, and no shortage of books that contain nothing but negative aspects as well. While I'm not saying that is the case, it is certainly reasonable to believe after last time that they tried again to get an anti-town role by sending in "evil" roles.

My entire point is, what I said is as much wine as what they themselves have said/done before. The purpose of my statement was blindingly clear, and I'm just pointing out how, to me, asinine their statement is when taken in consideration with their own words and past actions. By their own logic, we should be off lynching the crap out of them.

Again, not that I agree with that logic, I am just pointing out how bad it is.

You all gonna make me a honorary mod again and have me bust out a table for claims again?

Ibarra wrote:

Lataro wrote:I am, however, going to be nice and pro-town here in my first post and make thing clear. No townie should target me at night unless they want to die. Scum are free to do so though! In the interest of not killing a town power role, that's all I'll say on the subject. Any questions asked about this will be summarily dismissed by me. You can go ahead and lynch me for all I care, I'm not saying one word more than that on the subject.

The start of the game and we already have WIFOM... wow. I don't think town would go around intentionally adding WIFOM, so FoS.

Ibarra wrote:1-a) For alignment: Scum, as it's more exciting, but after last game's loss (American Pie Mafia) I'm not so sure anymore.

Um... yeah...

I think it just broke from overload. You shouldn't use such sensitive equipment on so massive a spill.

"Old Friend" makes me instantly think the Emperor Penguin, Silknor's sock puppet from Zoo 1.

End of Zoo 1 Flavor wrote:The Evil Penguin, a lump in his throat, realized his plight. There were no more of sea-born to protect him. He had betrayed those born on land and now would pay the price. He saw Brook writhing towards him at break-penguin speed, and try as he might, he could not waddle that fast. His only hope was to reach the water, where he would be safe from this demon-beast on whom he had practiced unlicensed and unethical dentistry. But he did not, could not, reach it, and was crushed by the massive bulk of Shai-Hulud.

It was implied that he was killed, heavily implied, however, it was equally implied that the shredder was dead at the end of TMNT 1, and we all know how that went.

I'm thinking he survived and is here for revenge of some kind. It is possible that someone picked it as a role even.

As for Ibarra's questions, I'm not going to mindlessly answer the same questions each game, it's pointless to me.

[wine]
I am, however, going to be nice and pro-town here in my first post and make thing clear. No townie should target me at night unless they want to die. Scum are free to do so though! In the interest of not killing a town power role, that's all I'll say on the subject. Any questions asked about this will be summarily dismissed by me. You can go ahead and lynch me for all I care, I'm not saying one word more than that on the subject.
[/wine]

Oh, since everyone is going on about restrictions, I have none.

Zoo! Zoo! Zoo! Zoo! Zoo! Zoo! Zoo!

/endchant

I'm a bit under-prepared due to the cancellation of Two Cults Mafia, so bear with me if I'm short on details for now (as I haven't found a co-mod yet, I haven't worked them out).

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You don't need to submit anything with your signup yet, once the Pick Your/Their part is done, I'll PM those who have signed up already for the information needed.

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