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Forums troubles

Postby Xbehave » Thu May 15, 2008 11:03 am UTC

1) in Firefox(3b5) using the default theme recently started resulting in missing dividers: (attached pictures)

2) under konqueror (not logged in so a different theme works) the following forums are broken:
serious business
meet ups
site forum issues
computer science (not reproducing now :s)
religious wars (completely broken)
music (completely broken)
food (completely broken)
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Re: Forums troubles

Postby Azrael » Thu May 15, 2008 3:17 pm UTC

Today in our series of Default Answers That You Should've Seen Coming we will explore the following topics:

"Stop using SubSilver."

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Re: Forums troubles

Postby Xbehave » Thu May 15, 2008 5:51 pm UTC

1) prosilver looks
like what would happen if a Flash webdeveloper were to work with a 12 year old girl, decide blue looks good, and then realize that they don't know how to make a forum in Flash, so they used PHP instead.

2) i figured the seemingly random bugs would be on your end and thought you'd give the konqueror users some love, but as i dont use konq for anything other than checking firefox's behaviour it doesn't bother me.
3) if your going to offer a style, you should at least support it, if your just going to leave a style broken, your better of removing it and facing the backlash from angry users who just vomited all over their screens from the change.

On rereading that it seams flamey maybe iv spent too long in religious wars, the above post is meant mainly in jest although i would appreciate a fix for subsilver. or is the subsilver problem my side too?
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Re: Forums troubles

Postby TheTankengine » Fri May 16, 2008 3:22 am UTC

Subsilver2 is no longer supported by davean. I would not bother asking for a fix if it is directly and only related to subsilver2.

If you do not like prosilver, you are welcome to submit a theme of your choice to davean as long as it is standards compliant and good clean code. This is how prosilver_left came to be.
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Re: Forums troubles

Postby thefiddler » Fri May 16, 2008 5:06 am UTC

TheTankengine wrote:This is how prosilver_left came to be.

By which you mean, I whined to davean about finding a script to put the avatars on the left since it both made more sense stylistically and usability-wise (and I'm a creature of habit) and he agreed to find a script to fix it for me.

Instead, he came up with prosilver_left. Yay davean! \o/

But seriously guys, it's not davean's fault that phpBB no longer supports subsilver2. It's old and broken and it's not getting fixed. Get. Over. It.

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Re: Forums troubles

Postby hermaj » Fri May 16, 2008 5:27 am UTC

*hugs her Subsilver like a blankie*

Seriously though, I have Subsilver and I haven't seen a single thing like that, so maybe it is your end.

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Re: Forums troubles

Postby zenten » Fri May 16, 2008 1:06 pm UTC

So how hard would it be to fix subsilver 2?

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Re: Forums troubles

Postby Jesse » Fri May 16, 2008 1:09 pm UTC

I don't know, try it yourself?

davean's not going to do it, because he has limited willpower for playing with the fora and he's decided that if phpBB no longer supports subsilver then he's not going to spend time on that when he could be adding new features like a quacking duck or Godzilla or whatever he does in the server room.

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Re: Forums troubles

Postby thefiddler » Fri May 16, 2008 1:23 pm UTC

zenten wrote:So how hard would it be to fix subsilver 2?

Hang on... wait... let me say this again.

SUBSILVER2 IS BROKEN AND NOT GETTING FIXED. Why? Because phpBB no longer supports it and because of that, no snazzy new features (like... oh, I don't know... jsMath) can be added to it.

It would be insane and rude to ask davean or another person to "fix" subsilver2 because it CAN'T be fixed.

If you want something like subsilver2 that works, then make a new skin. In fact, if you want to subsilver2 "fixed" so badly, then do it yourself instead of whining here to people who aren't going to fix it because it is decrepit.

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Re: Forums troubles

Postby zenten » Fri May 16, 2008 1:39 pm UTC

thefiddler wrote:
zenten wrote:So how hard would it be to fix subsilver 2?

Hang on... wait... let me say this again.

SUBSILVER2 IS BROKEN AND NOT GETTING FIXED. Why? Because phpBB no longer supports it and because of that, no snazzy new features (like... oh, I don't know... jsMath) can be added to it.

It would be insane and rude to ask davean or another person to "fix" subsilver2 because it CAN'T be fixed.

If you want something like subsilver2 that works, then make a new skin. In fact, if you want to subsilver2 "fixed" so badly, then do it yourself instead of whining here to people who aren't going to fix it because it is decrepit.


I asked to see if it would be feasible to fix it myself. I don't even know how phpbb styles are written though.

Ok, so a better question: Where can I find out more about phpbb styles?

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Re: Forums troubles

Postby Jesse » Fri May 16, 2008 3:05 pm UTC

phpBB forums?

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Re: Forums troubles

Postby SecondTalon » Fri May 16, 2008 3:39 pm UTC

Is it rude of me to think "If you have to ask where to find out about phpbb styles, you're probably not capable of fixing it" ?

Because.. I mean.. Google is, like.. right there.
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Re: Forums troubles

Postby Zohar » Fri May 16, 2008 4:01 pm UTC

Since subsilver is no longer supported and there are so many questions about it, why not just remove it completely? It might seem harsh at first but in the long run I don't think anyone would really mind. I don't like how prosilver looks but I've gotten used to it by now. I'm sure others could too.
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Re: Forums troubles

Postby Azrael » Fri May 16, 2008 5:29 pm UTC

When the continuing hassle of saying "No, subsilver is no longer supported" outweighs the sum of the effort to remove it and deal with the subsequent whinging, I'm sure davean will act quite quickly.

But, since I don't get the feeling he pays all that much attention to what people are complaining about this week, it might be a while before that point is reached.

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Re: Forums troubles

Postby b.i.o » Sat May 17, 2008 3:56 am UTC

Zohar wrote:Since subsilver is no longer supported and there are so many questions about it, why not just remove it completely?


Because a very large percentage of the population here prefers it to ProSilver, and it generally works alright excepting the jsMath stuff.

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Re: Forums troubles

Postby hermaj » Sat May 17, 2008 6:25 am UTC

Zohar wrote:Since subsilver is no longer supported and there are so many questions about it, why not just remove it completely?


It still suits some people. Example; I'm not interested in jsMath and subsilver does everything I want it to do, so I am not really interested in being made to change to another skin.

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Re: Forums troubles

Postby gmalivuk » Sat May 17, 2008 6:41 am UTC

For the record, I don't think this particular thing is subsilver related. I sometimes browse the fora from computers at work which are running some older version or other of IE, and about half the time, pages load looking about like the messed up version posted above, until I refresh the page at which point things show up properly. And I use prosilver.

[math]T e
g
an\ p
ro bab
ly \ h
a s\ a\
mu c
h\ ha
rde r\ t im
e \ r e adi
ng\ thi
s,\ t h o
ug h.
..[/math]

Which is funny for me. :-)
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Re: Forums troubles

Postby Nimz » Sun May 18, 2008 8:27 am UTC

Aside from jsMath, for which there is script to make subsilver2 compatible, I have noticed more bugs with prosilver (take your choice) than with subsilver2. I mostly browse the fora with Firefox and Safari, but I also use IE (at work). It seems that at about 87-88 nested quote boxes, prosilver goes a bit crazy. Granted, unless you have a ginormously wide screen, you won't be able to see what's inside those nested boxes in prosilver long before that happens. And also granted, such a monstrosity isn't likely to occur during normal conversation in a typical thread. There are cases where you might want to do something like that, though, as in Forum Games, for instance. And by crazy, I mean that message text starts spilling into the user profile area, and the topic review at the bottom of the Post A Reply page spills out of its box. Subsilver2 handles over 1000 nested quote boxes without flinching.

And there are still issues with wide posts being truncated in prosilver (unless, again, you have that uberwidescreen monitor). If pictures get truncated, that's annoying, but if text gets truncated, that's bad. And I've seen text get truncated in prosilver. Again, subsilver2 handles wide posts without flinching.

If these two bugs were addressed, I don't think I'd have any qualms about using prosilver. After all, I can write a script to make the appearance less nauseous.

gmalivuk wrote:[math]T e
g
an\ p
ro bab
ly \ h
a s\ a\
mu c
h\ ha
rde r\ t im
e \ r e adi
ng\ thi
s,\ t h o
ug h.
..[/math]
A n
d\
t he
r e \ i
s
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c h\ a \ t
h in g\
a s\ be
ing \ a
n \ as
s ho
l e.
..

Yes, I realise I'm being one, too, with that. As I don't mind reading raw LaTeX, my answer to those who would needlessly use jsMath is to use LaTeX without the jsMath tags.
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Re: Forums troubles

Postby hermaj » Sun May 18, 2008 1:28 pm UTC

What does it look like in its proper form, out of curiosity? I think I will skip this LaTex stuff and just enjoy thinking that you guys do not know how words and things work. :P

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Re: Forums troubles

Postby Hawknc » Sun May 18, 2008 1:41 pm UTC

1) Quote his post
2) Put math tags around the relevant text
3) Preview
4) ???
5) Profit!

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Re: Forums troubles

Postby Macbi » Sun May 18, 2008 2:06 pm UTC

Is the ??? "switch to prosilver"?
    Indigo is a lie.
    Which idiot decided that websites can't go within 4cm of the edge of the screen?
    There should be a null word, for the question "Is anybody there?" and to see if microphones are on.

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Re: Forums troubles

Postby gmalivuk » Sun May 18, 2008 2:48 pm UTC

Must be, seeing as there were already math tags around mine which subsilver2 just freaks the hell out about and then ignores like they weren't even there.
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Re: Forums troubles

Postby Master Gunner » Sun May 18, 2008 5:56 pm UTC

I just use the Greasemonkey script that makes jsmath compatible with subsilver. Problem solved, and no need to bug the admins or mods about it. Now I can safely wait in peace until the kind peoples in this community finish turning prosilver into something that doesn't make me want to carve out my retina and fix all the other problems with it.

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Re: Forums troubles

Postby TheTankengine » Sun May 18, 2008 8:28 pm UTC

Okay I think everything that can be said here has been said.
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