Pure Nomic II

[Dr. Diaphanous]

My Proposition for the establishment of elitism passes.
My Proposition to give Dr. Diaphanous the recognition he deserves passes.

flicky1991 is now flicky1991, Founder of the Nomic.
orangdragonfire is now orangedragonfire, Balancer of the votes.
matt96 is now matt96, Privy Councillor, Secretary of the Star Chamber of Nomica.
I am now Dr. Diaphanous, Perfect Master, Provost and Judge, High King of Nomica.


Currently active propostitions:
My Proposition to get the Nomic started: 3 for/ 0 against
My Proposition to grant emergency powers to save the Nomic: 3 for/ 0 against

[orangedragonfire]

Proposition on establishment of loophole conduct.
When someone finds a loophole in the rules of this game, they are required to make a motion to fix the loophole. Before doing so, they are allowed to abuse the loophole, but may not gain any more than 1000 points from this abuse.
Votes: 1 for/0 against

[Dr. Diaphanous]

Is that needed? Surely if you find a loophole you will want to fix it, otherwise everyone else will use it. If they don't the next poster will use then fix it.
Also, should there be some kind of punishment for ignoring a "they are required to" law?
Also2, what if it is debatable whether something is a loophole?

[Dr. Diaphanous]

I updated the wiki page. I think it's all up to date now. How do I get an URL for a specific post for the "current as of this post" part? Is it better for me to edit my post or double-post? Editing could lead to cheating as the order of actions matters here.

[matt96]

Can you not just get the url from clicking the subject of the post which you are referring to?

[Dr. Diaphanous]

How did I not notice that before?

[flicky1991]

I vote for the proposition to grant emergency powers to save the Nomic.

[Rosewinsall]

A proposal for a high court of Nomica

A. The Balancer of votes may call for an election of a judge. The judge determines if a players actions or proposals go against the current rules in any way.
i. Anyone with at least one vote can enter the election.
ii. The player wins the election by getting the most votes from players or 20 different citizen votes.

B. There are no re-elections of the Judge of Nomica unless the judge is declared corrupt.

C. A judge is found to be corrupt if 3 or more citizens accuse them of altering the rules for their own benefit. If this happens refer to section A of this rule on holding an election.

[flicky1991]

Good concept. I'd suggest you change points 1, 2, 3 to (a), (b), (c), since when it's a rule it will have a number itself. (Obviously the current a and b can become something like i and ii.)

Anyway, I vote for "A proposal for a high court of Nomica".

[Rosewinsall]

is it better now flicky?

[Dr. Diaphanous]

I vote twice for the proposal for a high court of Nomica.

Proposal for a map of Nomica
I propose that this map accurately represents the land of Nomica.

(The symbols on the map may be defined by later rules.)

I vote for this proposal 2 times.

[flicky1991]

is it better now flicky?

Yeah!

I vote for the proposal for a map of Nomica.

[Dr. Diaphanous]

Wait a minute, I already have the title of Judge. This could get confusing, so I make the following proposal:

Proposal to change Dr. Diaphanous' title to avoid confusion

I propose that "Judge" in my title be changed to "Iudex"

I vote for this proposal 4 times.

Proposal to allow proposal retraction
A proposal may not be edited after a player other than the creator has voted for it.
The creator of a proposal may, at any time between its creation and the last vote which makes it a rule, retract the proposal. The proposal and the votes for it are deleted.

I vote for this proposal 3 times.

[Rosewinsall]

I vote for the map of nomic. I also vote for the the proposal to get the nomic started.

[flicky1991]

I vote for Dr. Diaphanous' two latest proposals.

[shimavet]

I vote against the loophole conduct proposition and for all the others.

[flicky1991]

Editing...

[orangedragonfire]

I vote for the map of nomic.

[Rosewinsall]

Fiery when will you call the election?

[flicky1991]

I vote for the map of nomic.

It's already a rule now.

[orangedragonfire]

Fiery when will you call the election?

When the public demands it, politely asks me to, or when I feel like it.

I vote for the map of nomic.

It's already a rule now.

So? Is there a rule saying you can't vote for propositions that have already been accepted? It's pointless, yes... but my point still stands!

[Rosewinsall]

The Army Proposal

To defend against another possible attack by another Nomic I propose we create of militia of our current citizens to protect Nomica.

[Dr. Diaphanous]

I vote for the map of nomic.

It's already a rule now.

So? Is there a rule saying you can't vote for propositions that have already been accepted? It's pointless, yes... but my point still stands!

Actually this matters a lot: 5 different players (me, flicky, Rosewinsall, shimavet, and fiery) have voted for a single proposition (the map), therefore rule 7 is annulled. In fact, this could only have happened if someone had voted for a proposal that had been accepted, because I voted twice.

[flicky1991]

I vote for the map of nomic.

It's already a rule now.

So? Is there a rule saying you can't vote for propositions that have already been accepted? It's pointless, yes... but my point still stands!

Actually this matters a lot: 5 different players (me, flicky, Rosewinsall, shimavet, and fiery) have voted for a single proposition (the map), therefore rule 7 is annulled. In fact, this could only have happened if someone had voted for a proposal that had been accepted, because I voted twice.

...Good point. XD

I vote for the army proposal.

[orangedragonfire]

I still don't think it matter much. We can't get any proposals through that Diaphanous disapproves of anyway (he just needs to cast 11 votes against, and the proposal has failed), and if he does want a proposal to go through, he only needs one other player to agree with him. Which is why I wanted to remove all those votes from him, because they give him far too much power.

[flicky1991]

Here's a new proposal:

Location, location, location
Every player starts on square 8H of Nomica. Each player, each day (midnight to midnight, UTC), can choose a square to move to. The square must be reachable by moving to five or less horizontally or vertically adjacent squares, except squares which that person is not allowed to move through for whatever reason. River squares without bridges cannot be moved through by default.

[Dr. Diaphanous]

I vote twice each for the army proposition and the location, location, location proposition.

I still don't think it matter much. We can't get any proposals through that Diaphanous disapproves of anyway (he just needs to cast 11 votes against, and the proposal has failed), and if he does want a proposal to go through, he only needs one other player to agree with him. Which is why I wanted to remove all those votes from him, because they give him far too much power.

Bwa ha ha!

The best times in life are the ones where you can genuinely add bwa to your ha.

This reminds me, you can get a proposition through, if I am asleep/offline. Therefore:

Proposition to maintain the Royal Prerogative

If any Proposition would change Dr. Diaphanous' number of votes to less than 11, or make one of Dr. Diaphanous' votes not equal to any other vote, or change the number of votes required for a proposition to pass to more than 11, that proposition cannot pass unless Dr. Diaphanous has voted for it.

The first person to vote for this proposition other than Dr. Diaphanous, gains the title "Bridge Keeper of Seven". If there is a Bridge Keeper of Seven, no player without this title may enter, appear on, build on, or pass through the square J7. On gaining this title, the player also gains 500 points.

I vote for this proposal 11 times. 1 more vote needed.

[Rosewinsall]

okay fiery can you call a vote please?

[orangedragonfire]

Defining objects on the map, part I: Basics
The blue thing is a river. The brown rectangles are bridges across the river. The light green background-color represents grassland or low hills. The vaguely tree-shaped dark-green objects are tree. The light gray areas are roads.

[matt96]

I vote against Dr. Diaphanous's attempt to become all powerful which is referred to as the proposition to maintain the royal prerogative.

I vote in favor of defining objects on the map

proposition to maintain consistency
When voting against a proposition, it fails when the same conditions of favourable votes needed to pass it are met by the votes against it.

Votes for propositions that have already been resolved by passing, failing, or any similar condition, still count, but cannot be used to retroactively alter the results.

[flicky1991]

Wiki updated.

I vote against "Proposition to maintain the Royal Prerogative", and I vote for "Defining objects on the map, part I: Basics" and "Proposition to maintain consistency".

[orangedragonfire]

I vote against "Proposition to maintain the Royal Prerogative", and I vote for "Proposition to maintain consistency".

[Dr. Diaphanous]

I vote twice for "Defining objects on the map, part I: Basics". Proposition passed.

I vote 4 times against "Proposition on establishment of loophole conduct.". Proposition failed.

[orangedragonfire]

Defining objects on the map, part II: Cities.
The dark grey hexagons are cities. Each player may name one city if there are still unnamed cities left. You may buy the right to name another city for 500 points. Players may veto a cityname, if they have a good explanation for why they find it inappropriate. Until they are given a name, cities are referred to by their position on the grid.

[Dr. Diaphanous]

I vote 4 times for "Defining objects on the map, part II: Cities". Proposition passed.

I name the city on L13 "Hallencourt".

[shimavet]

I vote against "Proposition to maintain the Royal Prerogative" and for all other proposals I have not voted on.
I name the city at N5 Fort Babel.

[Dr. Diaphanous]

Proposition to enable player death
a) All players have hit points (hp). Players start with 100 hp.
b) If a player's hp is reduced to 0 or less, that player is dead. A player remains dead for 48 hours, after which time they are restored to life with 100 hp.
c) While dead, a player cannot do any of the following: Create propositions, vote, move, gain points, alter the map, block movement of other players.

I vote once for this proposition.

[orangedragonfire]

I vote for the proposition to enable Player Death.


Defining objects on the map, part III: Gold
I propose that the yellow stars are mountains made out of gold. The ones adjacent to a road or city contain mines where gold is mined. As such, Gold is the primary building material.


Spreading the viral motion
I make a proposition that if any of the players of this game should find themselves in any other game of Nomic, they must make this motion in that game of Nomic if it has not been made in that game yet, and if this motion comes up for voting, they must vote for it. The motion must be modified to fit the motion protocol of that game, but no more.

[shimavet]

I vote against "Proposition to enable player death" and for all other proposals I have not voted on.

[flicky1991]

I name the city at C2 "Iacon".

I vote for all the current propositions I haven't voted on.