## Statistics Research Paper

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Magritte's Apple
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### Statistics Research Paper

Hello, all!

I am conducting research into political and economic views for a minor statistics project.

I need as many participants as possible to take my survey! Please do so! It's only 16 questions long.

Thanks!

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### Re: Statistics Research Paper

I've only taken one AP Stats course so correct me if I'm wrong but, doesn't this create a survey bias? Like a nonresponse bias and then there's the fact that people on xkcd aren't exactly representative of the general population.

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### Re: Statistics Research Paper

Kurushimi wrote:I've only taken one AP Stats course so correct me if I'm wrong but, doesn't this create a survey bias?
Not much more than any other survey. And there's no definite reason why specifically reading xkcd would introduce that bias, unlike if the questions were about how people use the Internet or their opinions on science education for instance.

However, the OP may wish to ask a mod to move this to the general board which is where I'd have posted it.

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Yeah, massive self-selection bias, complicated by no way to even speculate on what direction that bias goes. The population in the survey frame isn't particularly well-defined (anyone who sees his link) and the respondents will be those who choose to click through AND complete the survey. That's not gonna be anywhere near random, even within the sampling frame.

The good news is that the OP can write the research paper on why their method sucks. That's an easy 50 pages.
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Velifer wrote:The population in the survey frame isn't particularly well-defined (anyone who sees his link) and the respondents will be those who choose to click through AND complete the survey. That's not gonna be anywhere near random, even within the sampling frame.
Again, is that worse than most opinion polls?

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the tree wrote:
Velifer wrote:The population in the survey frame isn't particularly well-defined (anyone who sees his link) and the respondents will be those who choose to click through AND complete the survey. That's not gonna be anywhere near random, even within the sampling frame.
Again, is that worse than most opinion polls?

No, but most opinion polls shouldn't be used for serious research.
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### Re: Statistics Research Paper

Dason wrote:
the tree wrote:
Velifer wrote:The population in the survey frame isn't particularly well-defined (anyone who sees his link) and the respondents will be those who choose to click through AND complete the survey. That's not gonna be anywhere near random, even within the sampling frame.
Again, is that worse than most opinion polls?

No, but most opinion polls shouldn't be used for serious research.

And yet...

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### Re: Statistics Research Paper

This is also a minor statistics project. The results aren't exactly going to be published in some major policy journal. If this were something conducted by, say, Pew or Gallup, we'd expect the method to be a bit more robust. If this is just one individual who doesn't have a ton of resources, writing solely for the purpose of getting an assignment done, it's no big deal.

The OP should add a section on the limitations of his/her study, though, introduced by any sample bias. Other than that, go ahead and use the results to apply what you've learned in class--that's the purpose of the assignment, not to find some grand publishable conclusion. KF
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### Re: Statistics Research Paper

Also, once you read the survey it's hard to complain to much about the sample bias when the questions are leading. It reminds me of the survey I got when my senator's office called and the machine didn't know how to understand my response when I said answered the question "Do you think the government taxes you to much to support bloated social programs?" and when I said "no" the machine couldn't figure out what I meant after asking three times it just gave up and skipped the question. Good times.
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the tree wrote:Again, is that worse than most opinion polls?

Yes. Opinion polling starts with a defined sample frame, and has methods in place for non-response. George Gallup's private army of data thugs will impute the hell out of you if you don't answer.

Kizyr has it right. Play with this and learn a bit, but don't think that it's a good way to collect data.
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### Re: Statistics Research Paper

Maybe I'm giving the OP too much credit, but is it possible that the very point of placing the survey here is to demonstrate the bias that so many have expressed concern about?

It just seems to me like we don't really have all the facts of what "minor statistics project" is.
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Sourire wrote:It just seems to me like we don't really have all the facts of what "minor statistics project" is.

I just looked it up:
"The Frequency and Distribution of Forum Posts resulting from Asking Bad Questions, Doctoral Dissertation by A. Magritte, Candidate for Munroe Endowed Chair in Nerd Sniping, Christopher Newport University."

...damn.
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Sourire wrote:Maybe I'm giving the OP too much credit, but is it possible that the very point of placing the survey here is to demonstrate the bias that so many have expressed concern about?
That could be the case, they could be posting the same survey in a variety of different forums. Does the googlewhatsit allow you to collect referral data? There could be some interesting results to be gained from that.

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Velifer wrote:I just looked it up:
"The Frequency and Distribution of Forum Posts resulting from Asking Bad Questions, Doctoral Dissertation by A. Magritte, Candidate for Munroe Endowed Chair in Nerd Sniping, Christopher Newport University."

Gentlemen, I think we've been had.
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### Re: Statistics Research Paper

Couldn't help but think of some SMBC
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### Re: Statistics Research Paper

Hey guys!

Okay, I'm already preparing to write a very long explanation of sample bias.

xkcd is certainly not the only place I've placed this survey

and I am indeed a psych major.

The teacher just wants to see "data" and "conclusion" and then it's fine so long as we explain and show our understanding of "Yes, well, sample bias and volunteer bias running rampant and some of the questions may have been leading" etcetera. As I'm aware some are...It's just a minor exercise. No publishing or anything of that sort.

Though someone did bring up a good point about them not all being mandatory to answer. I should perhaps fix this. Though the due date for the collection of said data is sometime next week and thus far everyone to take it has answered all the questions with only something like 3 exceptions, which I just won't use.

Thanks for pointing things out, though! I will keep them in mind for next time.

You also make a good point about moving it to the General Forum, though you can see by my lack of posts that I'm not actually on the forums often enough to know haha. At that, I've gotten a good amount of samples already.

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Might I ask: Is this poll about our political views as they pertain to our own respective countries, or as they pertain to the U.S.? One can certainly be for/against one's own country's corporate bail-outs, but against/for the U.S. bail-outs, and one can consider one's own country's taxes to be too high/low while considering taxes in the U.S. to be too low/high.
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### Re: Statistics Research Paper

please DO NOT fix the ability to skip questions, some questions the answer is "it depends" and the only way I can show that is by skipping