MATHEMATICS-\$1M-REVISION

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MATHEMATICS-\$1M-REVISION

a) describe the number (a, b, c in the picture)
b) Find an operation (?) between a and b

a?b=c

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Re: MATHEMATICS-\$1M-REVISION

What does this have to do with \$1M?
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Re: MATHEMATICS-\$1M-REVISION

gmalivuk wrote:What does this have to do with mathematics?

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Good point. I might move it to logic puzzles, but only after the OP explains what the hell this is about anyway. Absent that, I'm just going to lock it.
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I set a task that can not be solved with current knowledge of mathematics, the reason is simple math based on the current lot of axioms, these axioms are barriers to new discoveries in mathematics.

If you want to introduce you my view of mathematics. It consists of two axioms (natural, real) and space. As compiled by elements of the Euclid, I want to show that mathematics can solve all the problems that current mathematics can not be resolved

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kumarevo wrote:I set a task that can not be solved with current knowledge of mathematics, the reason is simple math based on the current lot of axioms, these axioms are barriers to new discoveries in mathematics.

Which axioms are you talking about?
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Re: MATHEMATICS-\$1M-REVISION

\$1M is referring to the "Million Dollar Question" ?

*Shrug* I know little of maths so that's about as helpful as I can be in this thread!
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"?" looks like it might be union.
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My Time Cube sense is tingling. Nonetheless, I'll have a stab at it.

Taking a, b, and c to mean the pattern of circle segments above them. Well my first throught was that the ? operator is simply "OR", but that doesn't really work for the bottom segment of c which is longer than it should be if the ? really is OR. As for representing those patterns with a single number, surely that can't be done? I could encode each one as a vector I suppose.

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OK, so if I'm understanding you right, you've given us three unconventional values:
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and a binary operator on these values, represented by the question mark. You've then asked us to describe those three values, and define an operator which fits for the ?.

Given that information alone, I choose to describe those three values as being from a new number system which I'll describe here. From all the evidence provided so far, there is nothing to indicate that the number system contains any numbers other than these three provided... so the system contains only those three numbers. The binary operator I will define as follows:
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?=
?= **
?=
?=
?=
?=
?=
?=
?=
(The row with the stars is the one prescribed by the OP). As a bonus, I'll also define a second binary operator, which I'll call ¿, as follows:
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¿=
¿=
¿=
¿=
¿=
¿=
¿=
¿=
¿=

Completely by coincidence, this set, with the operations ? and ¿, forms a field, which is kinda handy. Any resemblance to Z/3 is purely coincidental.

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a is 1, b is 2, c is 3, and ? is goddamn addition. When can I get my million?
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Re: MATHEMATICS-\$1M-REVISION

A quick Google shows this is not the first time this has been posted, and nobody else can make head or tail of it either.

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Exploring some of the assorted posts on other forums by this guy, I think he's got it into his head that by some witchcraft that comes from a single mathematical axiom he can represent all real numbers as fractions.

Given the attempts by others on other forums, I don't think theres any saving him.

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kumarevo wrote:I set a task that can not be solved with current knowledge of mathematics, the reason is simple math based on the current lot of axioms, these axioms are barriers to new discoveries in mathematics.

If you want to introduce you my view of mathematics. It consists of two axioms (natural, real) and space. As compiled by elements of the Euclid, I want to show that mathematics can solve all the problems that current mathematics can not be resolved

So if you want to introduce us to your two axioms, do it. This is the math forum, not a puzzle forum. Frankly, I'm skeptical that reading your mind should count as a logic problem, but I'll leave that up to the mods to decide.

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kumarevo wrote:If you want to introduce you my view of mathematics. It consists of two axioms (natural, real) and space. As compiled by elements of the Euclid, I want to show that mathematics can solve all the problems that current mathematics can not be resolved
Clearly someone has not read Godel. Unless, the system you are going to propose is so weak that it does not run into the incompleteness theorems......

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If you take black as 1 and white as 0, with the bottom right of the circle being the least significant bit, a = 1100110011 (819), b = 101111000011 (3011), and c = 1011110110111 (6071). c is obtained by rotating b counterclockwise 1 "bit", and ORing the result with a, so a ? b = a OR (2*b).
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solution in the number of derivative (N, Z, R) rather than binary operators

Natural axiom: Natural along. Point is the beginning (end) longer natural. Natural along with 2 points. Natural along the base length. Natural longer connecting points. There is always the first point (A).
MS.A-Natural along . Point .

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Tag (A) is always present, mark (W) are used all the letters except (A).
Cw-labels for cycles (finite, infinite). w-any letter of the alphabet starting with a. The cycle is the process of proving theorems.

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kumarevo wrote:Natural axiom: Natural along. Point is the beginning (end) longer natural. Natural along with 2 points. Natural along the base length. Natural longer connecting points. There is always the first point (A).
MS.A-Natural along . Point .

If you want to be comprehensible, you need to define any terms that are meant to carry a specific mathematical meaning (as opposed to the plain english language meanings). What is "natural along"? None of this reads like English, at all. I'm assuming English is not your first language, but even still, your other two posts were vastly more understandable than this one, so it's not just a matter of facility with English.
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I like Sizic's solution, especially given how badly the question was asked. I didn't notice you had to rotate b a little bit before ORing it with a.

solution in the number of derivative (N, Z, R) rather than binary operators

Natural axiom: Natural along. Point is the beginning (end) longer natural. Natural along with 2 points. Natural along the base length. Natural longer connecting points. There is always the first point (A).
MS.A-Natural along . Point .

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Will use the tags as the current math, the new things I will bring in your tags.
Tags: Capital letters of the alphabet points. Lowercase letters of the alphabet. and ().,
Tag (A) is always present, mark (W) are used all the letters except (A).
Cw-labels for cycles (finite, infinite). w-any letter of the alphabet starting with a. The cycle is the process of proving theorems.

The next time the first theorem of - basics links

Theorem: kumarevo is cross because someone managed to glean some meaning out of his previous posts, and is determined to make no sense.
Proof: The above.

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Someone walks in, utters complete gibberish, people solve the problem and give the answer. Kudos.

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Where do these... inspired people come from? And how do they find this forum? <_<
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Zamfir wrote:Someone walks in, utters complete gibberish, people solve the problem and give the answer. Kudos.

And this is why I love the xkcd community. No matter what the question, someone will give the answer.

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From Kendall Square on the 85 bus directly to Mornington Crescent
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I bribed the driver.
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Re: MATHEMATICS-\$1M-REVISION

Actually, if you take A and B to be subsets of the plane and "?" to be union, I'd buy that they give you "C".

Also, I'm a bit rusty, but what if I play Dollis Hill?
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According to Sandheim's Theory of Nonstandard Openings (p. 203), that line allows Player 3 to equalize, so I'd recommend against it. You need to prepare Dollis Hill with a zwischenzug to Waterloo first.

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This is the best possible way that this thread could have developed. Bravo to you all.

Just so I can follow the gameplay, are we using Tudor Court Rules? I ask as otherwise I don't see why the zwischenzug is strictly necessary to prevent equalization (though of course helpful none the less).

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I'm pretty sure Tudor Court rules are standard on the fora.

My previous post may have been unclear -- of course you don't need to play Waterloo to prevent equalization. However, I just ran it through the most recent version of Morningtomaton, and it told me you do if you want to use a Dollis Hill continuation. Current consensus is that there are other moves which prevent equalization, the most notable of which is Ustinov's novelty from Wimbledon vs. Rest of the World 1947, but they wouldn't allow MartianInvader to continue with Dollis Hill (unless he is trying to put himself at down-on-points, of course).

EDIT: Since gmalivuk's play was invalid anyway, I'm going to just go ahead and follow Ustinov.

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++\$_ wrote:EDIT: Since gmalivuk's play was invalid anyway
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