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The ability to match walking pace

Postby You, sir, name? » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:36 pm UTC

I've noticed that while some animals have no trouble walking at the same pace as someone else (humans, dogs), others have serious trouble with this. Cats for example. While they seem to enjoy going for a walk, they usually stop, run up to you, run past you, stop, run up to you, stop, run past you, stop, run up to you, and so on.

Is there some theory as to why some animals have (or lack) this ability to match walking speed?
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Re: The ability to match walking pace

Postby Anubis » Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:24 pm UTC

It's not that they can't, they just don't want to.
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Re: The ability to match walking pace

Postby TaintedDeity » Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:29 pm UTC

They have tiny little legs and don't fancy walking uncomfortably fast for long distances?
Could be true for some animals.
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Re: The ability to match walking pace

Postby Izawwlgood » Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:14 pm UTC

The kinematics of short legged (relatively, like, smaller then a 30-40 lb dog) animal, especially ones that specialize in sprint work, like felines, would probably make them lousy walkers. Indeed, look at the bored lope of a large cat (lion, tiger, size), compared to the sprint.

I'd say it probably has more to do with the skittish nature of cats though. I know many a Jack Russel that won't walk along side you, but bounds forward, runs back, around, forward, over, hops, barks, forward, back, rather then just walking along side.
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Re: The ability to match walking pace

Postby ian » Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:20 pm UTC

TaintedDeity wrote:They have tiny little legs and don't fancy walking uncomfortably fast for long distances?
Could be true for some animals.

So cats do it just due to leg size? I think there is an easy way to test this. We need a lion and a tiger, FOR SCIENCE!
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Re: The ability to match walking pace

Postby You, sir, name? » Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:30 pm UTC

Couldn't it be down to hunting style, though?

Cats, while they are pack animals, are solitary ambush predators. So they need to be able to overtake prey, but they don't really benefit from running as a unit.
Dogs (or rather, wolves) are pack hunters, they gang up on their prey and pursue until their prey is too exhausted to put up much of a fight, so the ability to stick together while running is obviously beneficial for them.
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Re: The ability to match walking pace

Postby Bhelliom » Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:46 pm UTC

Don't forget that the cat probably knows EXACTLY what it is doing is is most likely just screwing with you. You know, for CAT SCIENCE!
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Re: The ability to match walking pace

Postby kernelpanic » Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:08 am UTC

Bhelliom wrote:Don't forget that the cat probably knows EXACTLY what it is doing is is most likely just screwing with you. You know, for CAT SCIENCE!

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Re: The ability to match walking pace

Postby Ingolifs » Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:59 am UTC

I know many a Jack Russel that won't walk along side you, but bounds forward, runs back, around, forward, over, hops, barks, forward, back, rather then just walking along side.

Or if it's anything like my old Jack Russell, Runs off into the distance, and reappears 3 days later covered in blood and shit.
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Re: The ability to match walking pace

Postby Sir_Elderberry » Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:48 pm UTC

Bhelliom wrote:Don't forget that the cat probably knows EXACTLY what it is doing is is most likely just screwing with you. You know, for CAT SCIENCE!

Cats are basically small, furry GLaDOSes.
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Re: The ability to match walking pace

Postby Goemon » Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:05 am UTC

Also, cats don't canter, which is probably the pace they'd need to move at the speed a human normally walks...
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Re: The ability to match walking pace

Postby You, sir, name? » Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:16 am UTC

Goemon wrote:Also, cats don't canter, which is probably the pace they'd need to move at the speed a human normally walks...


I've never seen dogs the size of (larger) cats do that either, but they seem to be able to match pace just fine.
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Re: The ability to match walking pace

Postby Minchandre » Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:31 am UTC

I'd wager it's a matter of psychology: consider my two dogs, one of which (an old malamute) is happy to just trudge along, and the other of which (an adolescent German Shepherd) does the running back and forth thing. They're about the same size, though I will admit that they carry themselves differently.
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Re: The ability to match walking pace

Postby {delta} » Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:57 am UTC

Why is it that we always try to assigned quantized values to cats?

I am pretty sure that the range of cat velocities is pretty continuous...it is just that they are cats and...are...not quite all there.
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Re: The ability to match walking pace

Postby poxic » Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:20 am UTC

{delta} wrote:I am pretty sure that the range of cat velocities is pretty continuous...it is just that they are cats and...are...not quite all there.

*ahem*

If cats were dogs, there would indeed be something wrong with them. They are not dogs, however, but cats -- not hierarchical pack animals, but solitary hunters. Anyone who expects a cat to act like a dog will be sorely disappointed (and the cat will be sorely annoyed). One must earn the respect of a cat, mostly by understanding her and showing respect to her in the first place.

Now that I've soapboxed sufficiently: there's no "walking" a cat. There's only "accompanying a cat on a mission of stealth, contemplation, and occasional frenetic scrambling".
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Re: The ability to match walking pace

Postby {delta} » Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:11 am UTC

If cats were dogs, there would indeed be something wrong with them. They are not dogs, however, but cats -- not hierarchical pack animals, but solitary hunters. Anyone who expects a cat to act like a dog will be sorely disappointed (and the cat will be sorely annoyed). One must earn the respect of a cat, mostly by understanding her and showing respect to her in the first place.



So you are saying making one chase a laser pointer to a point where you have set up a small diffraction grating is,in a word, "right out" in this cat/human respect earning process?


What about K-nex made snow lifts and cats? Perhaps there is some deep seated physiological hate I am missing here...or cats just hate science.


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Re: The ability to match walking pace

Postby poxic » Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:59 pm UTC

Heh. Laser pointers are simply acknowledging kitty's need to hunt small things. As far as launch vehicles go, it's probably up to the individual cat whether she would enjoy such a ... nah, launchings are right out. :wink:
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Re: The ability to match walking pace

Postby You, sir, name? » Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:30 pm UTC

This and this supports my theory. They do seem to be able to reasonably adapt their speed to match their surroundings, but only to a pretty coarse approximation. The second cat keeps lagging behind, and dashing ahead (like I described in my original post).
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Re: The ability to match walking pace

Postby {delta} » Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:04 am UTC

It still matches my cat presupposition.

Cats: They aren't quite all there.

I am still convinced (I convinced myself!) this is more a problem with cat psychology rather than physiology.


It doesn't take much to make them walk in an odd manner. (Well...Odd for a cat)

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Re: The ability to match walking pace

Postby mr-mitch » Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:37 am UTC

It's because you don't know the position of the cat until you look at it.
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Re: The ability to match walking pace

Postby Mokele » Sun Nov 08, 2009 3:03 pm UTC

There multiple aspects to this.

First, there is a powerful effect of leg length. Walking vs. running have very distinct patterns in terms of the kinetic & potential energy exchanges of the center of mass, both of which depend upon leg length. limbed gaits can be characterized by the Froude number = V^2 / gl, where l is leg length. Across animal sizes, the walk/run transition tends to occur at ~0.5, so shorter-legged animals will need to run to reach the same speed and longer-legged animals. There are, of course, other important aspect such as muscle physiology properties, but this works well as a first approximation.

Second, there's ecology / evolutionary history. Cats are typically burst-runners, not endurance-runners, thus are more likely to become tired of running. This is also seen other animals with a predominance of fast-twitch muscle fibers and lower aerobic scope - most lizards typically move with sudden bursts of speed interspersed with stops.

Finally, there's behavior. There's the fact that cats aren't pack animals, but also the fact that they're fuzzy little bastards.

Also, See this freely available paper on the scaling of feline limb kinematics (punchline - a little cat moves exactly like a big cat, just scaled down).
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Re: The ability to match walking pace

Postby chocolate.razorblades » Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:28 pm UTC

mr-mitch wrote:It's because you don't know the position of the cat until you look at it.

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