JWalker wrote:ian wrote:JWalker wrote:
Well, first off, it would be entirely possible to conduct an experiment to show that the universe is not governed by laws. We would simply have to observe a contradiction, or a paradox. This may or may not be possible (the universe may or may not allow it) but if it is, we can certainly observe it. I wonder if our brains would be able to comprehend such a thing however, which raises some questions as to whether or not we would recognize what we saw.
All that tells you is that current law is wrong and thus isn't a law at all. It doesn't tell you the universe isn't governed by laws, only that you don't know them
You are correct. Instead of saying that it was possible to do an experiment to show the universe is not governed by laws, I should have said that it is possible to do an experiment that suggests that the universe is not governed by consistent laws, as by definition a paradox or contradiction is an inconsistency.
no no no. the laws can still be consistent. you just do not know the consistent form. for instance if you did 1000 experiments about gravity and one did not match the laws as you understood them, that does not mean the universe is not ruled by a consistent law(s) of gravity. it may just mean the laws that it is ruled by are not always consistent with the laws you (wrongly) though were in place. for instance look at the pioneer probe anomaly. this does not fit in with the laws of gravity and motion as we understand them with the data we have. does this mean the universe is not consistent? no (not necessarily), it just means the laws we have are wrong or we do not have the correct data we need.