Technical Ben wrote:Given the same inputs, two people make difference choices. This follows neither random or deterministic models. People "choose" a preference/result/decision. Is it influenced by input? Yes. But both people had the same input, so why did they choose difference actions? Something other than the input (deterministic) and something other than a random result was applied.
makes it glaringly obvious that we are not using the same terminology here. What you think determinism, initial conditions, and randomness are, are totally different things than what everybody else in this discussion is talking about.
I know that's not a productive thing to say without a follow up to clarify the terminology, but I'm not sure I have it in me right now. Not to mention it has surely been egregiously discussed in these forums a thousand times at this point. But at heart, you're interpreting things through a practical lens, and I imagine one with a flair of mind/body dualism (correct me if I'm wrong here). As in "how can I actually predict something". Whereas the ideas of determinism are just that "our brains are physical things, so if we knew enough about physics, and we had the information of an earlier brain state + all of the input surrounding a person, then future brain states are theoretically perfectly predictable." The idea of determinism is ultimately slightly more nuanced, just because it's ultimately in Philosophy's domain and they just hate brevity, but that's a perfectly legitimate formulation. Your formulation sounds quite a bit more like Behaviorism taken far too literally.