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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby parkaboy » Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:53 pm UTC

Sometimes I hate almost everyone for no good reason. I'm just glad it passes relatively quickly. Just not yet *folds clothes and hates*
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby CJTnoir » Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:11 pm UTC

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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby Alpha Omicron » Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:16 pm UTC

I don't get why people get so sucked into that site. It's no different than Wikipedia, really. Maybe I don't watch enough TV to appreciate TV Tropes.
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby micco » Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:33 pm UTC

I wish I had a bottle of whiskey. But all i have is a half a bottle of liquorice vodka, and I don't like that stuff.
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby d33p » Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:38 pm UTC

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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby micco » Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:57 pm UTC

That is an awesome hobby! Really, it is.
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby Chfan » Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:36 pm UTC

I've been luurking more as I really never have anything to add. I could leave and I bet nothing would change.
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby elminster » Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:52 pm UTC

WD40 is awesome. I just spent over half an hour and reduced the noise of all the moving joints in my house by a good amount. Surprising how much you don't notice until it's suddenly changed.

For some reason, even the royal mail strikes haven't slowed down my deliveries. I went to the extra expense of paying for next day delivery on one thing only to find that the product delivered by first class arrived the day after. They're doing a damn good job at keeping it running.

Related to the above: I'm going to a fancy dress halloween party, I think the last fancy dress I went to my age wasn't in the double digits yet. It's going to be an odd ride home on the train. If you seen the clip on Trigger Happy TV with the guy in white overalls covered in blood with the "Anywhere" sign, I'm going as that (Classic tv sketch btw).
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby iblis.raeb » Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:56 pm UTC

.oO( There's something contemptuously ironic about the last Titanic survivor's ashes being scattered at sea recently )

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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby littlebuddy » Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:57 pm UTC

hmm... I wonder if I should call a plumber, my bathtub drain is stopped up.
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby You, sir, name? » Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:07 pm UTC

Alpha Omicron wrote:I don't get why people get so sucked into that site. It's no different than Wikipedia, really. Maybe I don't watch enough TV to appreciate TV Tropes.


Because of it's format. You read the page, and then open every link you find interesting in a new tab (since they come as a list, instead of sprinkled through the page like wikipedia). You now have ~ 10 new tabs. So you repeat the process on those pages, and get exponential growth of the number of open tabs, and you know most of them will be interesting, so you sit there wading through the ever growing blob of tabs, hour after hour, day after day. It's worse than frickin' crack, I tell you!
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby Baldur » Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:15 pm UTC

I'm going to go cook some bacon. maybe some french toast too, if I have the bread for it.
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby PhoenixEnigma » Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:21 pm UTC

Also , TvTropes has more of a sense of humour and is less fact dense then wikipedia. Extended wiki sessions can end by brain overload. TvTropes doesn't seem to do that - it just keeps going.
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby Izawwlgood » Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:29 pm UTC

Just took a practice bio GRE... 2 hrs of test taking... Brain... mush...
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby You, sir, name? » Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:46 pm UTC

PhoenixEnigma wrote:Also , TvTropes has more of a sense of humour and is less fact dense then wikipedia. Extended wiki sessions can end by brain overload. TvTropes doesn't seem to do that - it just keeps going.


True. But humor alone doesn't explain it. Uncyclopedia is pretty funny, without being as addicitive as tvtropes. Though it may be that tvtropes hits some critical funny to interesting ratio that's more addictive than merely interesting or merely funny alone.
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby Kyberely » Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:18 pm UTC

Dammit. Now I'm going to be up all night on TvTropes.
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby Blokey » Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:55 pm UTC

Well, fuck. 3 hours later, and I just managed to pull myself away from TvTropes. I knew it would happen, and I still clicked. Tsk.
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby You, sir, name? » Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:13 pm UTC

I just spent an hour exploring the world of gay pornographic magazines in history on Wikipedia.

Why did I do that? Though, now I'm fit to discuss the rise and fall of beefcake magazines, in case I ever need that skill. I guess that's a bonus.
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby iblis.raeb » Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:17 pm UTC

You, sir, name? wrote:I just spent an hour exploring the world of gay pornographic magazines in history on Wikipedia.

Why did I do that? Though, now I'm fit to discuss the rise and fall of beefcake magazines, in case I ever need that skill.


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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby You, sir, name? » Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:18 pm UTC

iblis.raeb wrote:
You, sir, name? wrote:I just spent an hour exploring the world of gay pornographic magazines in history on Wikipedia.

Why did I do that? Though, now I'm fit to discuss the rise and fall of beefcake magazines, in case I ever need that skill.


Bi-curiosity‼?


I don't know, I've already explored that avenue, and I concluded it wasn't my thing.

I've got this strange anthropological interest in subcultures (not limited to the HBT-community). This isn't the first group phenomenon I've wikipedia-stalked.
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby Fin Archangel » Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:09 am UTC

I was in a car today, and I was switching between several radio stations. On no less than three occasions, possibly four or more, (I don't remember) one song was playing on one station, and after it ended, I switched to another station only to find the same song in progress or as the next song. Odd.
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby NecklaceOfShadow » Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:37 am UTC

Things like that assignment on derivatives help to drive in the fact that checking one's work is good and that one should always do it if the teacher gives you an extra class period to do it.
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby Sir_Elderberry » Sun Oct 25, 2009 4:42 am UTC

I never have to take the ACT again now.
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby Fin Archangel » Sun Oct 25, 2009 4:46 am UTC

Sir_Elderberry wrote:I never have to take the ACT again now.


I don't want to take the ACT. Most of the schools I want to apply to regard the SAT as the more accurate test, for some reason, and I'm pretty sure my SAT score is good enough that I won't have to worry about either test again. Either way, I'll find out Thursday.
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby Sir_Elderberry » Sun Oct 25, 2009 4:53 am UTC

Eh. I only took the SAT once. It was alright--2090. I've taken the ACT twice and gotten two 35's. I wouldn't have bothered with a third time except that a kid at my school got a 36 last year and my ego enjoys waking up early on Saturdays. I may take the SAT one more time for National Merit Scholarship, but I may just have them send my old score in.
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby Fin Archangel » Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:54 am UTC

Sir_Elderberry wrote:Eh. I only took the SAT once. It was alright--2090. I've taken the ACT twice and gotten two 35's. I wouldn't have bothered with a third time except that a kid at my school got a 36 last year and my ego enjoys waking up early on Saturdays. I may take the SAT one more time for National Merit Scholarship, but I may just have them send my old score in.


Er...last time I checked, NMS was based on the PSAT, not the SAT. (That's why it's called the PSAT/NMSQT - PSAT/National Merit Scholarship Qualifying Test.)
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby LuNatic » Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:03 am UTC

You, sir, name? wrote:
PhoenixEnigma wrote:Also , TvTropes has more of a sense of humour and is less fact dense then wikipedia. Extended wiki sessions can end by brain overload. TvTropes doesn't seem to do that - it just keeps going.


True. But humor alone doesn't explain it. Uncyclopedia is pretty funny, without being as addicitive as tvtropes. Though it may be that tvtropes hits some critical funny to interesting ratio that's more addictive than merely interesting or merely funny alone.


It' s the fact that with every page, you have to spend an hour and a half on IMDB looking for the name of that movie - you know, THAT movie, the one you watched 3 years ago at a friends house, that you only half paid attention to but should totally be in the list of examples because it TOTALLY represents this cliché.
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby phlip » Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:47 am UTC

There's also a level of nostalgia involved... every time you see an example that's a show you haven't watched in years... of course you're going to click that show, and like half of the tropes listed on its page...

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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby Woodsman » Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:26 am UTC

phlip wrote:There's also a level of nostalgia involved... every time you see an example that's a show you haven't watched in years... of course you're going to click that show, and like half of the tropes listed on its page...


Exactly. And its even worse if you're a cinephile. just reading through the character tropes alone can keep you busy for a session or 2.

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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby crowey » Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:31 am UTC

the clocks changed today (in the UK), but my phone and computer auto-change.
I was very confused this morning, and disappointed that I didn't get another hour in bed.

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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby Woodsman » Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:47 am UTC

Omgsloth!

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Postby Jos » Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:28 am UTC

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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby Teapot » Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:07 am UTC

I think I need cakes and some more blueberry juice... I'm too ill to get dressed though. Nobody notices when students go shopping in their pyjamas, right?
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby Jos » Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:13 am UTC

True story; they do all the time! Might be a bit cold though
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Postby PhoenixEnigma » Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:13 am UTC

Teapot wrote:I think I need cakes and some more blueberry juice... I'm too ill to get dressed though. Nobody notices when students go shopping in their pyjamas, right?


Nah, not really. At least around here, no one bats an eye. Assuming your pajamas are both weather-appropriate and not overly revealing, of course.
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby Cassi » Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:25 am UTC

Teapot wrote:I think I need cakes and some more blueberry juice... I'm too ill to get dressed though. Nobody notices when students go shopping in their pyjamas, right?

I went to Tesco in my PJ bottoms because I was comfortable and couldn't be bothered to change. I was actually a little disappointed that I didn't get any strange looks...
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby Zohar » Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:30 am UTC

I'm staying home sick today. It's already 13.30 (I only got up an hour ago or so). I am extremely tempted to go and buy ice cream and just have that for breakfast/lunch... I basically want something cold and sweet. Fancy cereal would work just as well.
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby You, sir, name? » Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:31 am UTC

People really don't seem to care at all how you dress. I can walk around in flip-flops in the winter (this is 63°80′N) without raising an eyebrow.
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby Woodsman » Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:34 am UTC

You, sir, name? wrote:People really don't seem to care at all how you dress. I can walk around in flip-flops in the winter (this is 63°80′N) without raising an eyebrow.


Maybe dropping a jaw?

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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts (Random like the plague)

Postby Teapot » Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:43 am UTC

Went to Tesco (swapped my pj bottoms for jeans before I left). I seem to have come back with a lot of junk food. And strawberries. It was also the most exhausting shopping trip I have ever had and it's only about 2 minutes down the road.
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