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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby The Cat » Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:07 pm UTC

Good question. I think you can create a bot with a user account. It's been there every time I log in, except, of course, today. I don't know, someone with free time and nothing to say? Why create the account?

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Postby maninblack » Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:30 pm UTC

The Cat wrote:... Someone with free time and nothing to say? Why create the account?
You can't view sub forums if you're not logged in. So, yeah it definitely could be someone lurking... :shrugs:
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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby yurell » Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:30 am UTC

e^iπ+1=0 wrote:Hey yurell, any thoughts on the new Les Misérables film?


I just saw it, and I must say I'm incredibly disappointed in it. A copy of my facebook post on the subject:

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I just saw Les Mis, and I'm going to be nowhere near as merciful as Kaitlin — it was an incredible disappointment. I'll give spoiler warnings when I get to discussing the movie proper, but in the meantime: Crowe and Jackman can't sing, at least not at this level.

I wasn't expecting a Philip Quast-esque performance from Crowe, but what I got didn't measure up to my mildest expectations, especially once I got to hear him singing 'Stars'. Needless to say the huge climax in that song ("... and so it must be! For so it was written, on the doorway to paradise ...") fell short of anything recognisable as a climax — if it weren't for the orchestra, you wouldn't have been able to tell it was even significant.

As for Jackman, he was just as bad as Crowe. There was no power in his voice, and the role was sung better by the Nostalgia Chick (Lindsay Ellis), and acted better by Liam Neeson — Liam bloody Neeson! I literally winced several times during his performance, that's how awful the singing was. When he and Crowe got together for one of my favourite parts ('The Confrontation'), I think I could have cried with despair at the butchery of the song.

However, if there was one saving grace as far as the music goes, I would have to say it was Anne Hathaway's performance was sublime, and her rendition of 'I Dreamed a Dream' was definitely on par with Lea Salonga's. I was extremely disappointed we couldn't hear more of 'Come to Me', that's how well she was doing (even though Jackman was singing with her).

The choir did its job wonderfully, especially on 'At the End of the Day', and the rest of the cast did quite well in my opinion, especially the children — I'll definitely mention Isabelle Allen (playing Cosette as a child) here, as her singing and acting was really good.

Apart from the singing, there's not much to say about the movie, although spoiler warning from here on. The opening was nice and spectacular, as you'd expect, although I was a little confused about why Valjean was wearing the red outfit of a prisoner-for-life when he got his parole. There were some beautiful shots in this first half, but that's about all that was good about it. Too often the camera would just focus on the face of the person singing and sit there, unmoving, for the duration of the song. This may be acceptable in a stage musical, but it's ~boring~ in a film.

The scenes in this first half also passed by too quickly, with not enough explanation between them; I could barely follow what was going on. It's like this in the musical, too, but at least the 25th anniversary had intertitles to explain what happened between songs, this just went through them one after another.

I feel it could have been much better handled by adding spoken sections. The number of times that a couple of minutes of spoken dialogue could have improved the entire feel of the movie, and this goes through the entire film — as a whole it would have benefited from being another half-hour longer with more spoken dialogue added to segue between the musical performances and to allow some character development of the less important characters.

I wasn't too fond of the scene where the 'gentleman' attacks Fantine, which prompts Javert's arrest of the woman. In the movie it seems like it's done for no reason, making it look like the man is 'just' violent, which takes away from the message, as do his cut lines. With some of the cut lyrics:
"It's the same for the tart as it is for the grocer: the customer sees what he gets in advance. It's not for the whore to say 'yes, sir' or 'no, sir', it's not for the harlot to pick or to choose or to lead me a-dance!"
We can see ~why~ the man attacked her: he was angry at being refused, yes, but it's part of a more pervasive culture of misogyny that sees women as property or objects of desire, a message which is ~still~ pertinent today, despite the advances since Hugo's time. Hell, the entire character of Fantine was put into the novel to show how awful the times were for women. I have no idea how they could have neglected this.

We're shown Enjolras' death as if it were a significant event, even though we've virtually no connexion to him at all — in fact, just before he's executed Grantaire comes to join him, the significance of which is completely lost in this version, especially considering they cut our his section of 'Drink With Me', which was vital to his development as a character. It was also, in my opinion, the most emotionally powerful part of the song, where we explore the fact that the students ~know~ they're heading towards certain death ("Will the world remember you when you fall? Can it be your death means nothing at all? Is your life just one more lie?").

Another section I would like to criticise is the point at which they decided to include spoken dialogue after "The Attack on Rue Plumet", instead of using the sung version that was in the 10th anniversary concert. He speaks that he's worried about Javert, when the song explains this thought much better, with a nice tune too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... XwQ#t=130s
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Admittedly, I did cry at 'Empty Chairs on Empty Tables' and the finale, which lead me to be less critical of this version (that said, the Marius — Eddie Redmayne — was a pretty good singer and did a good job of the former, and Anne Hathaway pretty much carried the latter), but I am still incredibly disappointed, despite having gone in with low expectations. It's my favourite musical, and I would suggest any future adaptations choose people who are singers who can act, rather than actors who can sing.

And if you think this was too long, I want to point out that if it weren't for this sentence, my criticism would have come in at under a thousand words.
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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby UniqueScreenname » Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:44 am UTC

Enjolra. I didn't even know that was the guy's name. He definitely was the most afflicted by lack of character development.
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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby The Scyphozoa » Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:18 am UTC

yurell wrote:and the role was sung better by the Nostalgia Chick (Lindsay Ellis), and acted better by Liam Neeson — Liam bloody Neeson!

Ehhh...what's wrong with Liam Neeson?

Anyway, I saw three dang seconds of a preview of this movie and knew I didn't want to see it. And those three dang seconds were...you guessed it, Russell Crowe singing. The guy who played Javert in my fucking high school's production had a more commanding voice than his.
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Postby Carlington » Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:32 am UTC

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Postby K-R » Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:57 pm UTC

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You can't view sub forums if you're not logged in. So, yeah it definitely could be someone lurking... :shrugs:


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Postby maninblack » Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:58 am UTC

Lost Boys and Golden Girls Random Meatloaf song stuck in my head, sounds much better in my head than it does in that video. Meh
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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby Magnanimous » Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:42 am UTC

Screech: What's the LD50 for salad?

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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby phlip » Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:49 am UTC

I did a few Google searches to try to find out, without finding anything relevant. Though, I did find one result that was a PDF listed as "Toxic Risk - Teachers"... I chose not to open it, so I could continue believing that they meant what I at first thought they meant...

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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby Snark » Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:05 am UTC

I've had over 50 ounces of hot chocolate today. Is that bad?
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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby Adacore » Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:09 am UTC

Sadly I think the result you're referring to refers to the LD50 for things killing the lettuce, not for the lettuce killing things that eat it. The best bet might be to get a nutritional analysis of a salad, then look up the LD50 of the individual components?

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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby poxic » Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:14 am UTC

LD50 for water is 90 ml/kg for rats, probably comparable for humans. Lettuce is about 95% water and some cellulose-type stuff, plus or minus a few nutrients and some citric acid*.

Assuming a 68 kg human (~150 lbs), dividing up by 0.95 for the non-water content, that works out to roughly 6,442 kg of lettuce assuming that water is the main toxin.

If we try citric acid as the toxin in question, lettuce is about 0.048% (here). Citric acid rings up at 3000 mg/kg for rats (significantly higher for mice, incidentally), so about (0.003 * 68) / 0.048 = 4.25 kg? That sounds a bit low, but I no math well so ymmv. Also, 4.25 kg of lettuce is probably lots.


* the latter being why I can't eat much of it. LD50 for lettuce for poxic is probably lower than for humans in general.
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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby phlip » Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:35 am UTC

poxic wrote:That sounds a bit low, but I no math well so ymmv.

You're out by a factor of 100, by using 0.048 instead of 0.00048 (for 0.048%). It comes to 425kg.

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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby poxic » Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:37 am UTC

Ah, I figured it would be something like that.
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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby Ivora » Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:47 pm UTC

a new pokeeemoooon game?! on the 3ds!!!?? :mrgreen:

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i just hope its interesting and distinct enough compared to the ds versions. :|

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Postby Menacing Spike » Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:28 pm UTC

I like the new fire starter.

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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby bigglesworth » Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:10 pm UTC

poxic wrote:Ah, I figured it would be something like that.
About 600 lettuces.
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Postby Magnanimous » Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:22 pm UTC

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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby phlip » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:08 am UTC

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poxic wrote:Ah, I figured it would be something like that.
About 600 lettuces.

The Internet tells me that a head of lettuce is on average around 30cm in diameter and about 800 grams. Random sphere packing is around 60% efficiency. That puts our lethal lettuce collection at about 12.5m3 of lettuce. For comparison, that means that if the cabbage guy from Avatar: The Last Airbender filled up his cart with lettuce instead, it would be about a quarter of a lethal dose, give or take.

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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby e^iπ+1=0 » Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:09 am UTC

How're you coming up with that final number? I took a screenshot and did some estimation and I come up with his cart being more like 1 cubic meter, not 3.
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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby phlip » Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:23 am UTC

I'm estimating the cart at being around 2x1x1, and then noticeably overfull, with a heaping pile of cabbages sticking out of the top, so I guessed around 3m2. Probably an overestimate.

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Postby poxic » Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:28 am UTC

Regardless, that is still a metric shitfuck of lettuce.
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Postby Whelan » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:49 am UTC

Lots of my friends have been splitting up recently. :/ 3 couple in as many weeks that I know of.
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Postby maninblack » Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:39 pm UTC

poxic wrote:Regardless, that is still a metric shitfuck of lettuce.

What's the conversion between a metric shitfuck and an imperial shitfuck. I apologize for being American, but I think best in imperial units.

Also lmao.
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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby Chen » Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:10 pm UTC

poxic wrote:LD50 for water is 90 ml/kg for rats, probably comparable for humans. Lettuce is about 95% water and some cellulose-type stuff, plus or minus a few nutrients and some citric acid*.

Assuming a 68 kg human (~150 lbs), dividing up by 0.95 for the non-water content, that works out to roughly 6,442 kg of lettuce assuming that water is the main toxin.


Uh isn't that 6442 ml and therefore 6442 g not kg? That makes a pretty big difference.

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Postby elminster » Wed Jan 09, 2013 7:19 pm UTC

To me (British), a comma in a number over 1000 is just a spacer. A full stop (Period) denotes the decimal mark (it makes more sense that way too). >6 tonnes of lettuce isn't just a side dish. Related: Use of "Pants" in American English vs British; that one always gets me.

Also, I'd imagine it would be higher than straight water % calculations because the solid matter in lettuce would slow the consumption and absorption of the water contained... well, unless you blend it to a lettuce smoothie.
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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby RollingHead » Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:49 pm UTC

Chen wrote:
poxic wrote:LD50 for water is 90 ml/kg for rats, probably comparable for humans. Lettuce is about 95% water and some cellulose-type stuff, plus or minus a few nutrients and some citric acid*.

Assuming a 68 kg human (~150 lbs), dividing up by 0.95 for the non-water content, that works out to roughly 6,442 kg of lettuce assuming that water is the main toxin.


Uh isn't that 6442 ml and therefore 6442 g not kg? That makes a pretty big difference.

I read that comma as a decimal point.

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Postby roband » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:26 pm UTC

Just saw Jack Reacher at the cinema - I'm a big fan of the books. Here's my review for anyone who's interested, no massive spoilers:
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Reason for watching: New Release (and I'm a massive fan of the books).

So, as a massive fan of the books - this is going to be a fairly negative review. Cruise is just wrong. He can't be Reacher. There are too many things which make Reacher Reacher which Tom Cruise is not.
I fear my fellow cinema-goers cared not for this. I went to see this alone, as I do often - but I went on what is known locally as "Orange Wednesday". This BOGOF event draws large crowds who generally (in my opinion) aren't the best at enjoying the finer points of a movie. So, all those Tom Cruise scene ending lines which made me cringe, made them laugh. All the clever references to the book (One Shot by Lee Child - READ IT) which made me laugh, sailed right over their heads.
I'm being pompous. I know that. I see myself as better than them, because I don't enjoy a Tom-Cruise-fest (he produced this movie as well - and it's noticeable, this could be released as "MI:5 Ethan Hunt's Retirement" and it would work) simply because it's a Tom-Cruise-fest.

Things I liked:
The fighting was better than I expected. Not as good as the books, but the methodical, logical fighting style Reacher uses was almost represented very well.
The fact Reacher called Cash "Gunny". He does this in the book and I'm glad they kept it.
The Army/Marine banter - again, this went over the heads of the rest of the audience, but I enjoyed it.

Things I really didn't like:
The development of the female character - she became more "exposed" as the movie went on. Legs, breasts, they all got shown more in outfits towards to the end of the movie than at the start.
The romantic tension between Reacher and her was awful as well - I put it down to the acting, but it could have been the direction.

Finally, I will reiterate a point. Tom Cruise is not Reacher. He can not be Reacher. He never will be Reacher.
If this movie had been better cast - Jack Reacher could have become a character as strong as James Bond. There are 17 books, so lots of source material and it's all very strong.
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Postby ahammel » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:35 pm UTC

roband wrote:This BOGOF event draws large crowds who generally (in my opinion) aren't the best at enjoying the finer points of a movie. So, all those Tom Cruise scene ending lines which made me cringe, made them laugh.
I had assumed from the trailers that it was a comedy.
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Postby roband » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:37 pm UTC

The books are funny in a clever way. He's smart and he says smart things, and that's funny.

The script wasn't great and Cruise's delivery is poor.

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Postby eSOANEM » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:53 pm UTC

elminster wrote:To me (British), a comma in a number over 1000 is just a spacer. A full stop (Period) denotes the decimal mark (it makes more sense that way too). >6 tonnes of lettuce isn't just a side dish. Related: Use of "Pants" in American English vs British; that one always gets me.


Do you mean the notation makes more sense or the value?

If you're arguing the notation then, whilst I do not grok commas as decimal points, either convention is just as arbitrary and commas as dps and full stops as thousand separators is the norm basically everywhere which hasn't borrowed the way it writes numbers from English. (Incidentally this is why SI units aren't meant to be used with either a comma or full stop as a thousand separator but rather a space, following this it's clear that any punctuation in the number must be a decimal point).
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Postby yurell » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:40 pm UTC

I was always taught in school to use a space as a thousands separator — I think it's better than way, so it doesn't matter whether there's a comma or a space, it's still a decimal point.

elminster wrote:Related: Use of "Pants" in American English vs British; that one always gets me.


I only recently discovered that Americans mean a different thing to Australians when they say 'purse'.
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Postby Xeio » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:49 pm UTC

Related curiosity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanny_pack

That is a long lead in to an article just based on the name of the item.

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Postby macronencer » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:18 pm UTC

Just thought you folks might like to see this Raptor Counter a friend of mine made at work. I added the Post-It based digits, and later the extra sticker from the xkcd store too :)
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It occurs to me that if a forum was represented by a physical place, it'd be fucking creepy as all hell.

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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby Shivahn » Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:26 am UTC

yurell wrote:I was always taught in school to use a space as a thousands separator — I think it's better than way, so it doesn't matter whether there's a comma or a space, it's still a decimal point.

elminster wrote:Related: Use of "Pants" in American English vs British; that one always gets me.


I only recently discovered that Americans mean a different thing to Australians when they say 'purse'.

That seems like it'd be hard handwriting (since some people's spaces are inconsistent. Some random people, I'm sure none of you know any.)

Also it would make computer science and anything else dealing with discrete groups of digits weird, but in those fields you'd probably know what is going on by context.


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