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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby SlyReaper » Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:15 pm UTC

Who the hell needs to see where they're going when they're driving?

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Postby Ptolom » Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:17 pm UTC

Shivahn wrote:Ah, I didn't know that.

Well good luck dealing with that for those of you Europeans planning on becoming robots to live forever. Suckers.

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Postby Shivahn » Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:41 pm UTC

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Shivahn wrote:Ah, I didn't know that.

Well good luck dealing with that for those of you Europeans planning on becoming robots to live forever. Suckers.

It's okay, by then our own radioisotope hearts will keep us cozy and warm/

You'd think that, but in 2215 the World Government will pass the "Fucking cyborgs think they're so cool, but they're totally not" act that requires all cyborg existence sucks at least as much as the human one.

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Postby You, sir, name? » Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:48 pm UTC

SlyReaper wrote:Who the hell needs to see where they're going when they're driving?

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You know what is gonna be hilarious? When he needs to brake and all the snow on his roof slides down the windshield.

Needless to say, no wiper in the world is strong enough to get that much snow off.
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Postby Ivora » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:13 am UTC

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Postby addams » Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:44 am UTC

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SlyReaper wrote:Who the hell needs to see where they're going when they're driving?

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You know what is gonna be hilarious? When he needs to brake and all the snow on his roof slides down the windshield.

Needless to say, no wiper in the world is strong enough to get that much snow off.

That photo is very funny, to me.
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Postby Giant Speck » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:29 am UTC

SlyReaper wrote:Who the hell needs to see where they're going when they're driving?

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I'd hate to be driving right behind that car, because the snow from that car is surely blowing onto the car behind it. I had to deal with that kind of shit all the time when I lived in Alaska. People would only sweep enough snow off to see where they were driving, and the rest of it would come flying at the windshields of anyone who was unfortunate enough to be driving behind them.
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Postby eSOANEM » Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:49 am UTC

Giant Speck wrote:I'd hate to be driving right behind that car, because the snow from that car is surely blowing onto the car behind it. I had to deal with that kind of shit all the time when I lived in Alaska. People would only sweep enough snow off to see where they were driving, and the rest of it would come flying at the windshields of anyone who was unfortunate enough to be driving behind them.


In my experience it rarely does here. It's possibly to do with the different climate because often the snow on top of a car's roof has melted and refrozen at least once meaning it's no longer fluffy enough to be whipped up by the breeze, but instead is slightly icy.
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Postby SlyReaper » Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:54 pm UTC

Screech: you know how the expansion of the universe is supposedly speeding up, and the placeholder name for the cause of this is called dark energy. I've been thinking - when you look at distant galaxies, you're seeing them how they were billions of years ago, in a younger universe that was smaller than it is now. If the universe was more compressed spatially, could it not have been more compressed in the time axis too? Could the apparent acceleration not simply be an illusion created by time itself being stretched?
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Postby elminster » Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:18 pm UTC

Giant Speck wrote:I'd hate to be driving right behind that car, because the snow from that car is surely blowing onto the car behind it. I had to deal with that kind of shit all the time when I lived in Alaska. People would only sweep enough snow off to see where they were driving, and the rest of it would come flying at the windshields of anyone who was unfortunate enough to be driving behind them.
Generally I'd be more worried about the fact that you're driving behind someone who's suicidal. I mean I cleared my windows enough to make it safe/legal to drive in about 30 seconds. Even if you were in a rush, you could get there faster and safer by taking a few extra seconds to clear your vision. It's near impossible to justify reasonably (Hell, drink driving is more justifiable).

I rarely get mad at people... but that driver is such a fucking idiot. Sorry to be so crass, but... seriously? ...Seriously?!
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Postby eSOANEM » Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:16 pm UTC

SlyReaper wrote:Screech: you know how the expansion of the universe is supposedly speeding up, and the placeholder name for the cause of this is called dark energy. I've been thinking - when you look at distant galaxies, you're seeing them how they were billions of years ago, in a younger universe that was smaller than it is now. If the universe was more compressed spatially, could it not have been more compressed in the time axis too? Could the apparent acceleration not simply be an illusion created by time itself being stretched?


If the time was compressed then you'd expect to see the rate of expansion slowing down not speeding up.
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Postby Menacing Spike » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:44 pm UTC

I have an extremely strong sense of balance. It's basically useless aside from Acrobranch (where they have safety harnesses slowing me down anyway), skying (and I hate skying) or falling.

But tonight this talent was put to use.

After vising my grandparents, my ride back home was delayed for a long time. As it did, my urge to pee rose very quickly. After I finally got out from the vehicle, I was confronted by a vast expanse of half-frozen snow on a weirdly inclined street. "oh putain chier", I muttered into my breath. Then I abandoned care and ran through. Running is just controlled falling anyway: this was merely expert mode. I managed to keep in check the erratical slipping and sprawling, staggering and sliding my way home at great speed. Then finally, release!

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Postby You, sir, name? » Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:07 pm UTC

eSOANEM wrote:
SlyReaper wrote:Screech: you know how the expansion of the universe is supposedly speeding up, and the placeholder name for the cause of this is called dark energy. I've been thinking - when you look at distant galaxies, you're seeing them how they were billions of years ago, in a younger universe that was smaller than it is now. If the universe was more compressed spatially, could it not have been more compressed in the time axis too? Could the apparent acceleration not simply be an illusion created by time itself being stretched?


If the time was compressed then you'd expect to see the rate of expansion slowing down not speeding up.


How would you even be able to observe time compression from inside the universe?
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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby SlyReaper » Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:24 pm UTC

If the compression is different in different regions, then that might be observable. You'd have to subtract the effects from things like relativity first.
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Postby You, sir, name? » Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:33 pm UTC

SlyReaper wrote:If the compression is different in different regions, then that might be observable. You'd have to subtract the effects from things like relativity first.


Seems like what you'd observe would look a lot like relativistic effects. Changes in effective mass, distortions in space, etc.
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Postby SecondTalon » Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:23 pm UTC

SlyReaper wrote:Screech: you know how the expansion of the universe is supposedly speeding up, and the placeholder name for the cause of this is called dark energy. I've been thinking - when you look at distant galaxies, you're seeing them how they were billions of years ago, in a younger universe that was smaller than it is now. If the universe was more compressed spatially, could it not have been more compressed in the time axis too? Could the apparent acceleration not simply be an illusion created by time itself being stretched?

My assumption is, as someone who doesn't know shit about Space beyond High School level more or less, the people who figure that the universe is expanding faster have taken the whole Time/Space thing into account.
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Postby SlyReaper » Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:42 pm UTC

Fair enough, and I almost didn't ask the question for precisely that reason. But fuck it, how am I supposed to find out this stuff without asking stupid questions when none of the literature I've found about it mentions this as a possible factor? I figure there are probably folk around here who know the subject and can tell me something along the lines of "that idea was dismissed because X" or "it doesn't fully account for the observed acceleration" or "you've got it completely arse-backwards because Y".
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Postby Menacing Spike » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:16 pm UTC

SlyReaper wrote:without asking stupid questions


Good luck with that. Maybe you can hope the knowledge spontaneously occurs in your neural pathways.

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Postby yurell » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:47 pm UTC

Slyreaper, would there be a difference between time expanding through an unknown agent and the Universe accelerating through an unknown agent?

Also, no need to worry about stupid questions. Every question is good when you ask it, and will feel stupid when you know the answer, yet good it will remain!
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Postby SecondTalon » Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:19 am UTC

SlyReaper wrote:Fair enough, and I almost didn't ask the question for precisely that reason. But fuck it, how am I supposed to find out this stuff without asking stupid questions when none of the literature I've found about it mentions this as a possible factor? I figure there are probably folk around here who know the subject and can tell me something along the lines of "that idea was dismissed because X" or "it doesn't fully account for the observed acceleration" or "you've got it completely arse-backwards because Y".

You know how the expansion of the universe is supposedly speeding up, and the placeholder name for the cause of this is called dark energy. But when you look at distant galaxies, you're seeing them how they were billions of years ago, in a younger universe that was smaller than it is now. If the universe was more compressed spatially, wouldn't it not have been more compressed in the time axis too? Could the apparent acceleration not simply be an illusion created by time itself being stretched? What am I missing or not understanding?


Pretty much like that. Whenever you're asking a question that seems to have an obvious flaw or something that would make it not accurate yet is understood to be (more or less) accurate by people who are incredibly educated about the subject, it's usually best to start with the assumption that you are incorrect, but that you don't understand why you are incorrect.

As an aside, I've never liked the "There's no such thing as a stupid question" thing, as .. there totally is such a thing as a stupid question. I don't think there's such a thing as a stupid question asked in good faith by someone who is attempting to understand, though. Perhaps that's just too many caveats for a easy to digest snippet.
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Postby yurell » Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:36 am UTC

I think those caveats are implied in context, SecondTalon, although I will admit that's what I mean whenever I use the expression.
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Postby Magnanimous » Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:21 am UTC

There are only three stupid questions, and they are:

Is this going to be on the test?
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Postby SecondTalon » Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:24 am UTC

yurell wrote:I think those caveats are implied in context, SexyTalon, although I will admit that's what I mean whenever I use the expression.

Problem - the sort of person who understands those implied contexts is also the sort of person who isn't asking a bad faith, not paying attention sort of question
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Postby yurell » Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:35 am UTC

Fair enough
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SlyReaper wrote:Screech: you know how the expansion of the universe is supposedly speeding up, and the placeholder name for the cause of this is called dark energy. I've been thinking - when you look at distant galaxies, you're seeing them how they were billions of years ago, in a younger universe that was smaller than it is now. If the universe was more compressed spatially, could it not have been more compressed in the time axis too? Could the apparent acceleration not simply be an illusion created by time itself being stretched?


If the time was compressed then you'd expect to see the rate of expansion slowing down not speeding up.


How would you even be able to observe time compression from inside the universe?


A good point. I'm assuming some sort of extrinsic time (which isn't good from a physical pov) and wrt this the expansion of the universe is constant.

If the compression of time was different at different points, you might see effects without extrinsic time but you'd expect any acceleration (taken radially) to be distributed evenly on either side of 0 rather than almost all being +ve like we actually do see.
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Postby Giant Speck » Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:19 am UTC

So, I'm stuck at work alone at night, and I decided to see which of my bookmarked webcomics aren't blocked.

NOT BLOCKED
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Postby eSOANEM » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:23 am UTC

And now you know which comics the IT guys read.
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Postby Giant Speck » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:25 am UTC

Also, pretty much every audio streaming service is blocked. Pandora, Last.fm, Grooveshark, Slacker Radio, etc.

Except Live365. Odd.
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Postby roband » Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:01 am UTC

I used a broom to clear my car of snow this morning. It amused me.

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Postby addams » Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:04 am UTC

SlyReaper wrote:Screech: you know how the expansion of the universe is supposedly speeding up, and the placeholder name for the cause of this is called dark energy. I've been thinking - when you look at distant galaxies, you're seeing them how they were billions of years ago, in a younger universe that was smaller than it is now. If the universe was more compressed spatially, could it not have been more compressed in the time axis too? Could the apparent acceleration not simply be an illusion created by time itself being stretched?

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But; Time?! We should understand time. It is so common. Yet; We don't.

Yes. I like your idea. Time stretching.
The way I understand it, now. Time changes form, like everything else. Time is real, yet it is hard to see. Most people can feel it. Under stable conditions, time varies wildly.
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Postby addams » Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:13 am UTC

Tell us more. Time is stretched?
It was compressed?
It could be backwards.
As space stretches, time may compress.

I have no idea. That is hard to think about.

Maybe time is not real. We, just, made it up so we could meet around the campfire outside the cave; Same time, next time.
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Postby roband » Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:52 pm UTC

Fuckin' deja vu. Every damn day.

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Postby RollingHead » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:14 pm UTC

Magnanimous wrote:There are only three stupid questions, and they are:

Is this going to be on the test?
Do we have to do the homework?
Do we have to know this?

Especially the last one.

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Postby Chen » Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:23 pm UTC

Magnanimous wrote:There are only three stupid questions, and they are:

Is this going to be on the test?
Do we have to do the homework?
Do we have to know this?


After having some professors who ramble off onto things not even closely related to the topic, the first and last questions can sometimes be valid. Especially because they would randomly put SOME of their off-topic ramblings on tests and some not.

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Postby maninblack » Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:42 pm UTC

Chen wrote:
Magnanimous wrote:There are only three stupid questions, and they are:

Is this going to be on the test?
Do we have to do the homework?
Do we have to know this?


After having some professors who ramble off onto things not even closely related to the topic, the first and last questions can sometimes be valid. Especially because they would randomly put SOME of their off-topic ramblings on tests and some not.


I once had a professor state that the chalk board behind him was orange. (It was in fact green.) That became a question on the exam, orange was the correct answer. I got it wrong. :sigh:
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Postby Zarq » Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:54 pm UTC

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Magnanimous wrote:There are only three stupid questions, and they are:

Is this going to be on the test?
Do we have to do the homework?
Do we have to know this?


After having some professors who ramble off onto things not even closely related to the topic, the first and last questions can sometimes be valid. Especially because they would randomly put SOME of their off-topic ramblings on tests and some not.


I once had a professor state that the chalk board behind him was orange. (It was in fact green.) That became a question on the exam, orange was the correct answer. I got it wrong. :sigh:


You're joking, right. Please tell me you're joking? Or that you went to clown college.
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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby SlyReaper » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:00 pm UTC

Seriously? That's a power trip on a par with Big Brother insisting 2+2=5. How was he able to get away with that?
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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby SecondTalon » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:18 pm UTC

SlyReaper wrote:Seriously? That's a power trip on a par with Big Brother insisting 2+2=5. How was he able to get away with that?

...Colorblindness?
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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby Zarq » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:23 pm UTC

SecondTalon wrote:
SlyReaper wrote:Seriously? That's a power trip on a par with Big Brother insisting 2+2=5. How was he able to get away with that?

...Colorblindness?


It's still a stupid question to ask on an exam.
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