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Postby Quercus » Sun Dec 14, 2014 1:37 am UTC

Keyboards are annoying me too at the moment - I spilled some water on my (wired Apple) keyboard on Thursday. Now I need to get a new keyboard. It pisses me of that the thing isn't at least splash-proof.

On that point does anyone know of a nice-to-use, low profile (because I need to be able to hang the thing on my wall when I'm not using it as my desk is so small) keyboard which is waterproof?

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Postby addams » Sun Dec 14, 2014 2:17 am UTC

There are covers for keyboards that are durable.
Don't give up on your keyboard too soon.

I know they can dry out.
Well...The mouse can.

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Postby Magnanimous » Sun Dec 14, 2014 6:52 am UTC

So few things about that picture make sense. It's hard to imagine what was going through the artist's mind. Like, "I'm gonna put a yellow triangle above this woman's head. Yeah, that looks good."

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Postby SecondTalon » Sun Dec 14, 2014 2:41 pm UTC

strake wrote:
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so... why not 16? 21?

Is 18 years somehow a biologically significant age for a human?

Because 18 is the most common Age of Majority. No real other reason.

If you want to talk biologically significant, 26.


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Postby PeteP » Sun Dec 14, 2014 2:45 pm UTC

Magnanimous wrote:So few things about that picture make sense. It's hard to imagine what was going through the artist's mind. Like, "I'm gonna put a yellow triangle above this woman's head. Yeah, that looks good."

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Postby Jplus » Sun Dec 14, 2014 8:59 pm UTC

Quercus wrote:Keyboards are annoying me too at the moment - I spilled some water on my (wired Apple) keyboard on Thursday. Now I need to get a new keyboard. It pisses me of that the thing isn't at least splash-proof.

On that point does anyone know of a nice-to-use, low profile (because I need to be able to hang the thing on my wall when I'm not using it as my desk is so small) keyboard which is waterproof?

What Addams said: don't throw away your keyboard just because it is malfunctioning after you spilled some water on it. It's very likely that the thing will work 100% perfectly again once you manage to dry it completely. As a first trick, you can try submerging it in a sealed bag of (dry, uncooked) rice for at least one night. If that doesn't entirely solve the problem, use an air dryer. Still not perfect, use those packets of moisture-absorbing silica beads and repeat the same treatment as with the rice. People have saved smartphones in such ways. If you can save a wet smartphone, you can save a wet keyboard.
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Postby Quercus » Sun Dec 14, 2014 11:28 pm UTC

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Quercus wrote:Keyboards are annoying me too at the moment - I spilled some water on my (wired Apple) keyboard on Thursday. Now I need to get a new keyboard. It pisses me of that the thing isn't at least splash-proof.

On that point does anyone know of a nice-to-use, low profile (because I need to be able to hang the thing on my wall when I'm not using it as my desk is so small) keyboard which is waterproof?

What Addams said: don't throw away your keyboard just because it is malfunctioning after you spilled some water on it. It's very likely that the thing will work 100% perfectly again once you manage to dry it completely. As a first trick, you can try submerging it in a sealed bag of (dry, uncooked) rice for at least one night. If that doesn't entirely solve the problem, use an air dryer. Still not perfect, use those packets of moisture-absorbing silica beads and repeat the same treatment as with the rice. People have saved smartphones in such ways. If you can save a wet smartphone, you can save a wet keyboard.


That's why I posted on Sunday that my keyboard got water in it on Thursday - it's been in a very warm, very dry airing cupboard for pretty much 100 hours now, and not a single key that was broken when I tested it at 48 hours is working again, so I think it's dead.

I think the problem was that I didn't realise that I'd spilled water on my keyboard for several hours (it was just as I was getting ready in the morning: my room was dark and I thought I'd got lucky and missed it). It therefore had power to it while wet for a while, which probably wasn't great for it. Hopefully that's the last gadget I get wet for a while (luckily my smartphone is waterproof). Last week I dropped my digital cooking thermometer in the sink. That was fine after a 12 hour soak in distilled water, full disassembly and thorough drying though (yay for gadgets that you can actually take apart with a screwdriver and fix).

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Postby Xenomortis » Sun Dec 14, 2014 11:43 pm UTC

I remember once I spilled a small amount of tea on my keyboard, but I didn't immediately do anything about it (didn't realise it had gone between the keys).
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Postby speising » Sun Dec 14, 2014 11:48 pm UTC

back in the days, my C64 got multiple cocoa drinks, apple juice, and coffee in it's ventilation slits. never had a problem with that :)

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Postby Quercus » Mon Dec 15, 2014 12:00 am UTC

Xenomortis wrote:I remember once I spilled a small amount of tea on my keyboard, but I didn't immediately do anything about it (didn't realise it had gone between the keys).
Disassembly revealed corrosion on the conducting tracks; sellotaping small bits of wire over the damage worked fine.


Well it would be nice if the apple keyboard was capable of being disassembled - I'm halfway sure I could fix it if it was. Unfortunately it's hopelessly glued.

Why the hell they don't go ahead and pot it in epoxy to make it waterproof if they're gluing it anyway I do not know, well I do know - it's more expensive and would result in fewer sales of replacement keyboards.


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Postby Neil_Boekend » Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:05 am UTC

Why do socks come in packages with different colours anyway? Why not all the same?
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Postby Adacore » Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:21 am UTC

Because humans like variety / choice, I suppose.

Having said that, last time I bought socks, I bought 20 identical pairs so I could just dump them all in a draw and not ever have to worry about odd socks.

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Postby addams » Mon Dec 15, 2014 6:48 am UTC

Mighty Jalapeno wrote:I guess at a certain point, you just reach that stage.

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Postby bachaddict » Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:41 am UTC

Adacore wrote:Because humans like variety / choice, I suppose.

Having said that, last time I bought socks, I bought 20 identical pairs so I could just dump them all in a draw and not ever have to worry about odd socks.

Wearing one worn-out and one fresh sock feels weird though.
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They have seven children!
Maybe, it's a genetic problem.

The many children or the many socks is genetic?
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Postby Neil_Boekend » Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:13 am UTC

Adacore wrote:Because humans like variety / choice, I suppose.

I mean the color inside a pack. Every time I buy a pack of 5 pairs there are 5 different pairs in them. Why not 5 the same pairs?
Of course different packs will always have different colors and that is how it should be. And especially awesome socks will usually come as a pair instead of a pack of them.
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Postby addams » Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:28 am UTC

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That is hysterical.
Seven children?

They have seven children!
Maybe, it's a genetic problem.

The many children or the many socks is genetic?

Both.
In that family, it must be both.
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The best use of that guy's time, one week before moving house with seven children, was to Sell MissMatched Socks on The Internet.

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All he has to do is glance at them.

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If he wasn't spending his time tapping out messages on The Internet, his clan might not have Lost 700 socks.

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Postby Xenomortis » Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:57 am UTC

Adacore wrote:Having said that, last time I bought socks, I bought 20 identical pairs so I could just dump them all in a draw and not ever have to worry about odd socks.

I think I have a pile of about 20 socks in my room, but I swear none of them match any others. I cannot see how this is possible.
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Postby Bekah » Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:57 pm UTC

lots of kids these days (girls at least) wear mismatched socks....best fad ever!

and having seven children means the guy has likely just discovered the internet, he was clearly busy elsewhere all his life, its a new thing, and as such, its bright and shiny and he finds it helpful to share his socks with the world.

what a crazy looking blanket one could make with all those socks.
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Postby cemper93 » Mon Dec 15, 2014 2:37 pm UTC

Xenomortis wrote:
Adacore wrote:Having said that, last time I bought socks, I bought 20 identical pairs so I could just dump them all in a draw and not ever have to worry about odd socks.

I think I have a pile of about 20 socks in my room, but I swear none of them match any others. I cannot see how this is possible.
And O(n2) takes on new meaning when trying to find pairs of socks in the morning.

Actually, you can "sort" (actually "match", that is, divide into equivalence classes) n socks in O(n * k) time, where k is the number of differentiating characteristics (that is, when they have different colors, patterns and sizes, but everything else is equal, k would be 3). Since k will usually be much lower than n, such an algorithm is much superior to the primitive insertion sort that most people perform when sorting their socks:

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Throw all socks on one pile
While the socks aren't matched:
    Choose a characteristic c with m different qualities that has not been cared for yet
    For each pile:
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        For each sock in the pile:
            Hash it by c and throw it onto the appropriate new pile

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Postby speising » Mon Dec 15, 2014 2:44 pm UTC

depends on the number of piles and your floorspace whether you can do this.

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Postby cemper93 » Mon Dec 15, 2014 2:46 pm UTC

Determining this algorithm's floor space complexity is left as an exercise for the reader. ;)

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Postby Yakk » Mon Dec 15, 2014 2:50 pm UTC

If you stole it from stackoverflow, include a link back. :p

Second, note that finding a pair is O(n) assuming they are all paired. Pick one, then search linearly for its match. Sure, not good in the long term, but fastest in the short.
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Postby Xenomortis » Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:12 pm UTC

My problem is that the majority of my socks collide during the hashing process.
And the majority do not appear to have a matching pair!
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Postby Quercus » Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:06 pm UTC

I've been trying for two years to get to a point in my washing cycle where I'm sure all my socks are clean and dry so I can throw away any which still don't match. I haven't managed it yet.

Yes, I know I should just go through my sack of dirty washing, sort out all the socks and wash them seperately, but honestly it's never enough of a priority to justify the time, and having the Sisyphean task of constantly trying to get to a point where all my washing is clean and dry so I can sort out socks at least makes sure that I keep on top of it to some degree.

Edit: I'm also gratified to note that I've been using the most efficient sock hashing algorithm intuitively for years (I also use it for filing paperwork, with my initial metric normally being "can I just throw this away").
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Postby Diemo » Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:10 pm UTC

Am I the only person who doesnt pair socks? I just wear odd socks all the time (I try to make sure they are the same colour, but not very hard)

Though today I am not wearing odd socks by coincidence.
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Postby Quercus » Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:13 pm UTC

Diemo wrote:Am I the only person who doesnt pair socks? I just wear odd socks all the time (I try to make sure they are the same colour, but not very hard)

Though today I am not wearing odd socks by coincidence.


I don't really mind the look of it, but wearing socks that feel even slightly different (tightness, thickness, texture etc.) annoys the hell out of me, so I have to pair.

Also, my new keyboard arrived today, and I can't stop sniffing it - for some reason I love the smell of certain new electronics (I think it might be the protective film they cover stuff with).

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Postby SecondTalon » Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:30 pm UTC

Couple of years ago, I threw out all of my socks and bought a bunch of identical ones. Then I got boots and needed longer socks, so I purchased identical long socks. Whenever these socks start getting worn, I will just throw them away and, when I have fewer than three pairs left, I'll throw them all out and buy more identical socks.

Because fuck matching socks after doing laundry.
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Postby natraj » Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:55 pm UTC

i barely even own any socks that match. i often don't even buy socks in pairs to begin with. i have large drawers full of socks that aren't in pairs, never were in pairs, are gloriously unmatchy, and that is how i like them. they have delightfully bizarre colours and patterns and are joyful.

i do get them in the same lengths and thicknesses though. i group my socks in drawers according to lengths, so that when i pull them out i get two that are knee-high or thigh-high or whatever. that is as far as my sock-matching goes.

okay that's not true, i will colour-coordinate my socks to some degree. but only to a degree. when any given sock has at least seven different colours on it there's only so far you can go with this.
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Postby Diemo » Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:59 pm UTC

Yeah, I make sure that both socks are the same thickness/length in general (and as far as I can in 5 seconds, the same colour). But pairing them takes way too long
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SecondTalon wrote:Couple of years ago, I threw out all of my socks and bought a bunch of identical ones. Then I got boots and needed longer socks, so I purchased identical long socks. Whenever these socks start getting worn, I will just throw them away and, when I have fewer than three pairs left, I'll throw them all out and buy more identical socks.

Because fuck matching socks after doing laundry.


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Postby Yakk » Mon Dec 15, 2014 7:18 pm UTC

Imagine you get paid 20% more (GDP per capita at PPP) but worked 26% more (20% longer workweek, 5% higher labour force participation). (Ireland vs USA, world bank figures)

You'd be tempted to throw out socks rather than sort them too.
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Postby cemper93 » Mon Dec 15, 2014 7:21 pm UTC

The relation between GDP and average or median fortune isn't really there. JSYK.

EDIT: Obviously, the median household income in PPP in the US is still much higher than in Ireland (31k$ vs 22k$). So your point still stands.

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Postby mathmannix » Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:52 pm UTC

Yakk wrote:Imagine you get paid 20% more (GDP per capita at PPP) but worked 26% more (20% longer workweek, 5% higher labour force participation). (Ireland vs USA, world bank figures)

You'd be tempted to throw out socks rather than sort them too.


I don't understand. Don't both Ireland and the U.S. have 40-hour work weeks, and two-day weekends?
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Postby Yakk » Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:25 pm UTC

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Yakk wrote:Imagine you get paid 20% more (GDP per capita at PPP) but worked 26% more (20% longer workweek, 5% higher labour force participation). (Ireland vs USA, world bank figures)

You'd be tempted to throw out socks rather than sort them too.


I don't understand. Don't both Ireland and the U.S. have 40-hour work weeks, and two-day weekends?

Ireland has an average full time worker spent at work week of 39.7. news story level source.
USA has an average full time worker spent at work week of 47 hours. Only 42% work 40 hours or less. news story level source.
Ireland has 60% labor force participation. USA has 63%. That's another 5% more time spent at work (on average) per capita.

Now, Ireland does have a higher fertility rate (2.01 instead of 1.8) which is pretty large impact on "free time to sort socks" I find.

Amusingly, USA has 20% higher GDP per capita at PPP, but works 25% more to get it. Inefficient, no?
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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby UniqueScreenname » Tue Dec 16, 2014 2:59 am UTC

Matching socks is kinda zen for me.
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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby addams » Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:04 am UTC

Yakk wrote:If you stole it from stackoverflow, include a link back. :p

Second, note that finding a pair is O(n) assuming they are all paired. Pick one, then search linearly for its match. Sure, not good in the long term, but fastest in the short.

Nope.
Fastest in the short run is spread them out.
We have good and fast eyes.

Find two that will do.
Then, fix your fucking socks, at the first possible moment.

Socks take on a life of their own, if you let them Boogie in the Rave of the Washer with other people's things.
The washer is just the beginning.

After the washer, the dryer using The Power of Static Cling sets socks on Epic Journeys
They crawl into the sleeves of sweaters and shirts. They cozy down in pant legs.

They even fine that dark spot in the washer or dryer where they lie very still for a long time; Hiding.
If you share that wash day Boogie with other people, kiss your socks Good-Bye. Or; Be proactive in folding.

Can you imagine mixing laundry for seven people under the age of 18 with the laundry of two Adults?
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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby Isaac Hill » Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:07 am UTC

Adacore wrote:Because humans like variety / choice, I suppose.

Having said that, last time I bought socks, I bought 20 identical pairs so I could just dump them all in a draw and not ever have to worry about odd socks.
I do the same thing every few years. I own a bunch of pairs of identical white socks, and a few pairs of identical black socks for those rare ocasions when I need to wear a suit. A couple times, I even requested large quantities of identical socks for Christmas.
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