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Re: Random natterings

Postby PhoenixEnigma » Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:03 am UTC

Not sure if there's a better place for this, but did the Apollo LM have abort modes? I know the CSM had some ability to maneuver to pick up the LM if the ascent wasn't bang on, but that's it. If something went wrong, how large (or small) were the windows where they'd still make it home, and how would that be accomplished?
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Re: Random natterings

Postby Deva » Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:25 am UTC

Sounds like it.
Source. Detailed descending to the Moon's surface. wrote:With a rapidly diminishing fuel supply, they would soon reach the 60-second mark — one minute to a mandatory abort. And it was uncertain whether or not an abort, a forced staging and emergency ignition of the ascent engine, would even be possible at this altitude.


On returning: Mentioned no contingencies for the Command/Service Module. Presumes none (for that) on the Lunar Module.
Same source wrote:On July 21, the LM's ascent engine lifted Armstrong and Aldrin back up to Mike Collins in the Command Module. With the crew docked and reunited, their lives depended on one more event critical to leave lunar orbit and head home. The rocket engine at the rear of the Apollo Command/Service module, the SPS, had to ignite to break them free of lunar orbit.

"That service propulsion system has got to work," Kranz said. "Single option, big engine, that's the only thing that's going to get you home." With the LM used up and discarded, there was no backup. Worse yet, the SPS firing would occur when the astronauts were on the far side of the moon and out of contact with Houston. As some controllers would later remember, those last minutes of radio silence were the mission's longest.
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Re: Random natterings

Postby sardia » Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:27 am UTC

PhoenixEnigma wrote:Not sure if there's a better place for this, but did the Apollo LM have abort modes? I know the CSM had some ability to maneuver to pick up the LM if the ascent wasn't bang on, but that's it. If something went wrong, how large (or small) were the windows where they'd still make it home, and how would that be accomplished?

What brings this up?

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Postby PhoenixEnigma » Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:59 pm UTC

Thanks, Deva! I was more thinking the ascent/return side of things (particularly as the ascent engine could not be test fired!), and it sounds like the options if something goes wrong (engine failure/premature shutdown/degraded performance, guidance failure, etc) past the point where you can abort back to lunar orbit were somewhere between extraordinarily limited and non existent. I'm always a little amazed that more people haven't died in space.

sardia wrote:What brings this up?

A discussion on reddit about abort modes and launch escape systems, or lack thereof, mostly in the context of SpaceX's AMOS-6 anomaly. Someone pointed out that the ITS/MCS doesn't have an apparent launch escape system, and on Mars return the MCT will also have extremely limited options. That got me thinking about the only reasonably comparable missions to date - Apollo - and what their risks were like.
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Re: Random natterings

Postby You, sir, name? » Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:21 pm UTC

There's something about referring to women as "females" that makes me picture the author as Ferengi.
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Re: Random natterings

Postby phlip » Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:01 am UTC

phlip wrote:
PeteP wrote:Question does using female as a noun when talking about woman sound as awkward to native speakers as it does to me?

"Female" as a noun, I associate with basically a few contexts:
(1) People working with animals, especially either (a) studying them, or (b) breeding them.
(2) Ferengi, who are written specifically to sound creepy about it, due to connotations from (1).
(3) Dickhole PUAs that view women as something to be studied, and then bred with.

"Female" as an adjective I don't have the same associations with, but as poxic points out, "X vs female X" is terrible, as it is for any other [blank]-normativity.

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Re: Random natterings

Postby New User » Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:11 pm UTC

When I was in the US Army it was very common to hear females referred to as females. Examples might include:

"This is the female latrine" (adjective) being equivalent to "the latrine for females is over here." (noun)
"Don't open that door. That section is for females only."
"Male soldiers' tents are on this side, females' tents are on that side."

Same for the announcement, "female on the floor" which is the army equivalent of the navy term "female on deck," which is generally announced loudly as a warning for males to cover themselves appropriately.

I don't recall spending much time in female-designated areas, but I am pretty sure they loudly announce "male on the floor" as well.

So, for me, I just associate it with military jargon. Although I did watch Deep Space Nine, so I got my fill of Ferengi, I never considered it to be a derogatory or spiteful term for women.

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Postby Thesh » Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:15 pm UTC

Well, many would argue that military training is designed, in part, to dehumanize the recruit.
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Postby SecondTalon » Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:55 pm UTC

Basically, yeah. Soldiers aren't people, they're US Property.
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Re: Random natterings

Postby Zohar » Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:56 pm UTC

I think those who argue that wouldn't necessarily know that much about what actually goes on in a lot of armies. I'm not sure what's at play here (straight-up misogyny, trending towards supposedly-official-sounding language, archaic language use based on some bygone trends/orders, etc.), but the military environment is definitely not the same as civilian life, and norms that are accepted in the military shouldn't necessarily be imitated out of it.

As for DS9, the Ferengi use of the word "female" is 100% intentionally used as a derogatory term by Ferengis for women.
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Re: Random natterings

Postby flicky1991 » Sun Jan 08, 2017 4:12 pm UTC

I haven't watched enough Star Trek to judge the Ferengis based on it, but I would think in general the reasoning behind having alien characters refer to "females" instead of "women" is due to the typical idea of having alien characters speak overly technically, like robots, instead of using colloquial language.

One old Doctor Who story has a Dalek refer to "males, females, and descendants", when talking about humans. Obviously it was intended as a jargon-ified version of "men, women, and children", but I was annoyed by the implication that children aren't males or females.
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Re: Random natterings

Postby Thesh » Sun Jan 08, 2017 4:15 pm UTC

flicky1991 wrote:I haven't watched enough Star Trek to judge the Ferengis based on it, but I would think in general the reasoning behind having alien characters refer to "females" instead of "women" is due to the typical idea of having alien characters speak overly technically, like robots, instead of using colloquial language.


Ferengi don't allow women to wear clothes, speak to strangers, or own property.

EDIT: They also aren't very well versed in technical terms:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z__xets6hU
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Re: Random natterings

Postby flicky1991 » Sun Jan 08, 2017 4:20 pm UTC

Thesh wrote:Ferengi don't allow women to wear clothes, speak to strangers, or own property.

:shock: OK, I definitely agree with Zohar's evaluation then.
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Re: Random natterings

Postby Zohar » Sun Jan 08, 2017 4:39 pm UTC

Yeah, no, I didn't mean that you could interpret Ferengis in such a manner. They are clearly, explicitly, an example of misogynist society. There are multiple episodes and character arcs that deal with this. There are multiple comments in the shows (especially DS9) on the treatment of Ferengi towards women. Non-Ferengi characters confront Ferengi on using the term "female'. It's 100% deliberate.
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Re: Random natterings

Postby eran_rathan » Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:48 pm UTC

One of my favorite DS9 episodes is when Quark's mom shows up on station, thoroughly scandalizing her sons by wearing clothes and acquiring property.
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Postby Liri » Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:40 am UTC

eran_rathan wrote:One of my favorite DS9 episodes is when Quark's mom shows up on station, thoroughly scandalizing her sons by wearing clothes and acquiring property.

Moogie is one of the best characters. Especially because of how Rom says "Moogie".

But yeah, and the way they draw it out, always saying "Feeeeemayles".
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Postby somitomi » Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:14 pm UTC

1) It snowed today, which would've been nice if the temperature was sub-zero. But it wasn't, and so by the time we got out to shovel the driveway, the snow started turning into that half-molten slush. You wouldn't beleive how heavy that thing is.
2) Later today, I drove to the next town, which is definitely not fun with the aforementioned slush covering everything. The car I was driving lacks power steering, so turning the wheel in standstill usually needs considerable force. Thus I was momentarily surprised by the "lightness" of the steering during a Y-turn before realising that it's all thanks to the pretty much nonexistent friction under the wheels. At that point I found this amusing enough to get out mid-maneuver to look at the phenomenon from the outside, but it didn't seem that fun the rest of the way home...
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Re: Random natterings

Postby sardia » Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:48 pm UTC

I bought some wrinkle releaser spray, and I'm thinking what the hell am I doing, aren't I just spritzing overpriced water onto my clothes? Anyone try that stuff? Seems to take just as much time as ironing, but costs more.

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Re: Random natterings

Postby Tal-Seto » Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:46 pm UTC

Anybody out there who want to know the two signs of a original crop circle?
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Re: Random natterings

Postby poxic » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:35 am UTC

sardia wrote:I bought some wrinkle releaser spray, and I'm thinking what the hell am I doing, aren't I just spritzing overpriced water onto my clothes? Anyone try that stuff? Seems to take just as much time as ironing, but costs more.

I recall going through the same revelation. If at home, ironing is probably less hassle. Steaming isn't that great a time saver, but saves on having an ironing board. Spritzing with actual water and throwing in the dryer on cold for a few minutes is sometimes an option.

If not at home, just getting the wrinkliest part wet (if the fabric allows) and sticking it under a telephone book for a while is about the best I've found.
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Re: Random natterings

Postby addams » Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:44 am UTC

Tal-Seto wrote:Anybody out there who want to know the two signs of a original crop circle?
Yes.
I Googled it, myself.
I fell asleep, happily, reading about Crop Circles.

What do you want interested persons to know about Crop Circles?

To sardia and poxic; An electric Iron and Ironing Board are Toys.
Several decades ago I gave up using them for...Appearances.

Why in the world would we own clothing that Must be Ironed?
Nearly everything I own is made of Magical Wrinkle Free Fabric.

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I bought a scarf at a Thrift Store.
It is a Picasso.

I took one look at that thing and Knew its Story.
Someone went to a Picasso Museum, somewhere.

All those Museums have a Gift Shop that must be navigated,
Before the victim can escape out into the Real World.

Those Gift Shops are expensive. This scarf is Art.
It had never been removed from its original wrapper.

How many years did it sit in a drawer or chest?
I'll never know. It must have been many.

I Needed an iron to remove the fold lines.
A dear local woman gave me a set.

I enjoy having the things around.
They are Toys.

Toys, mostly, unused.
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Re: Random natterings

Postby Tal-Seto » Sun Jan 15, 2017 2:06 am UTC

addams wrote:Yes.


It is the perfect senselessness.
And the perfect circular elegance towards the smallest with crop displayable detail.

At a distance, they look like combed, or machined. Weird.

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Re: Random natterings

Postby Giant Speck » Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:07 am UTC

sardia wrote:I bought some wrinkle releaser spray, and I'm thinking what the hell am I doing, aren't I just spritzing overpriced water onto my clothes? Anyone try that stuff? Seems to take just as much time as ironing, but costs more.

A Consumer Reports test last year suggests that it works better than simply spraying water on the garments:

We filled a laundry basket with assorted fabric swatches, as well as several rayon-knit blouses, blended-fabric sweaters, and 100-percent cotton dress shirts. Next we added a 5-pound weight and let the items sit overnight.

The next day, we hung the severely wrinkled items from hangers and followed the Downy directions, which say to spray garments until they’re lightly damp, pull and smooth as needed, and let dry. As promised, the wrinkles fell from swatches and garments before our eyes, far more so than when we sprayed them with plain water (though not as thoroughly as when we hit them with a hot iron).
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Re: Random natterings

Postby sardia » Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:56 am UTC

Giant Speck wrote:
sardia wrote:I bought some wrinkle releaser spray, and I'm thinking what the hell am I doing, aren't I just spritzing overpriced water onto my clothes? Anyone try that stuff? Seems to take just as much time as ironing, but costs more.

A Consumer Reports test last year suggests that it works better than simply spraying water on the garments:

We filled a laundry basket with assorted fabric swatches, as well as several rayon-knit blouses, blended-fabric sweaters, and 100-percent cotton dress shirts. Next we added a 5-pound weight and let the items sit overnight.

The next day, we hung the severely wrinkled items from hangers and followed the Downy directions, which say to spray garments until they’re lightly damp, pull and smooth as needed, and let dry. As promised, the wrinkles fell from swatches and garments before our eyes, far more so than when we sprayed them with plain water (though not as thoroughly as when we hit them with a hot iron).

Have you tried using wrinkle releasers?

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Re: Random natterings

Postby Angua » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:19 am UTC

Tal-Seto wrote:Recapitulate.

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Re: Random natterings

Postby Giant Speck » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:08 am UTC

sardia wrote:Have you tried using wrinkle releasers?

Personally, no. I hardly ever wear anything that can wrinkle easily. My work uniform is wash-and-wear and the only way you could significantly wrinkle it is by stuffing it into a dufflebag and running it over with a car. When I'm not at work, I'm almost always wearing just a t-shirt and shorts.

For the things I do wear that get wrinkly, like the dress uniform I wear only once every two months or so, I have a steam function on my dryer to get rid of wrinkles.
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Re: Random natterings

Postby addams » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:03 pm UTC

...Gardening...
Gardening is demanding.
Gardening is Hard!

It is physically demanding at its easiest.

It is intellectually demanding.
Plants have all kinds of needs and requirements that Must be anticipated by the Gardener.

Gardening is emotionally demanding.
It requires a temperament that is both patient
and has a high tolerance for disappointment.

Chattering; On and On...
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Some years Marigolds will thrive and flower all year long, here.
This is Not one of those years.

It will be weeks and weeks...
Maybe, months;
Before I know how much I have lost to the bitter unrelenting Cold.

I am a Spoiled Coastal Gardener.
We usually have a very steady climate.

Never too Hot.
Never too Cold.

This year, I was appalled to find the soil Inside! the GreenHouse, Frozen!
Frozen! I swear! It was hard as a Rock.

I was so surprised, I didn't know what it was, at first.
Now; I can only Wait and See....

I suppose, I should be in the Time Thread.
Where Waiting is the One Unifying Quality.

It was, just, a Random Thought that turned into a Rant.
Random Thoughts do that.

The way Gladiola Die when Frozen....
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Postby Sableagle » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:40 pm UTC

addams wrote:Frozen! I swear! It was hard as a Rock.
How I want to hear the Iron Maidens do a hard rock cover of Let It Go, with some profanity ...

... and I blame you.
Alright, so that's a line from
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Postby poxic » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:53 pm UTC

Sableagle wrote:hard rock cover of Let It Go

You made me google that. Several exist but I'm afraid to try one. (No iron maidens or motley crews, though.)
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Postby eran_rathan » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:54 pm UTC

Sableagle wrote:
addams wrote:Frozen! I swear! It was hard as a Rock.
How I want to hear the Iron Maidens do a hard rock cover of Let It Go, with some profanity ...

... and I blame you.
Alright, so that's a line from
Behind Blue Eyes by The Who,
not Iron Maiden. So what?



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Postby Sableagle » Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:28 pm UTC

Much checking out and liking has occurred, and I've found this instrumental piece but nothing really Iron Maiden or Amberian Dawn style yet.
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Postby SecondTalon » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:18 pm UTC

I can go yell at her. She might still listen to her Internet dad.
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Postby poxic » Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:55 am UTC

Or she could just do the decent thing and come visit anyway. Because she loves us all so very much.
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NOPE INTERNET DAD YELLIN'!
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Re: Random natterings

Postby addams » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:31 pm UTC

From 4:30 p.m. to 8:30 a.m. is 14 hours. (right?)
I was Tired!

I might, still, be Tired.
I can't tell, yet.

coffee...
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Re: Random natterings

Postby Deva » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:36 pm UTC

addams wrote:From 4:30 p.m. to 8:30 a.m. is 14 hours. (right?)

Sixteen hours.
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Re: Random natterings

Postby HES » Tue Jan 17, 2017 6:05 pm UTC

Unless you're in an aeroplane.
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Re: Random natterings

Postby suffer-cait » Tue Jan 17, 2017 6:44 pm UTC

Did you facebook yell? I didn't see yelling on my feed.
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Re: Random natterings

Postby addams » Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:05 pm UTC

Deva wrote:
addams wrote:From 4:30 p.m. to 8:30 a.m. is 14 hours. (right?)

Sixteen hours.
(gee...) Thank You.
Yep. I needed to ask.

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