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Re: Random natterings

Postby Sableagle » Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:45 am UTC

New User wrote:Where I work, everyone reads measurements in thousands of an inch. But literally every spec has a zero in the thousandths place, so really all the specs are rounded to the nearest hundredth of an inch. So, for example, if I measure .430 on my calipers, I hear people every day saying the dimensions are "four hundred and thirty thousandths," or that the spec for a given part is, "four hundred to five hundred" (meaning if the actual size is anywhere in between .4 and .5 inches, it's okay to pass inspection). I do it also, just because it's how they do it in the workplace, but it's interesting that nobody ever says "forty-three hundredths," and I'm pretty sure that if I were to start saying that then I would hear a lot of, "huh?" "What do you mean, four thirty?" and so forth.
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Re: Random natterings

Postby HES » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:39 am UTC

slinches wrote:most dimensions are listed in decimal notation with tight tolerances often referred to in mils or "thou"

New User wrote:Where I work, everyone reads measurements in thousands of an inch.


In which case, there is a huge market for calculators that default to decimal results. Just make it a setting!
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Re: Random natterings

Postby New User » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:09 pm UTC

Have you tried shopping around for another calculator?

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Re: Random natterings

Postby eran_rathan » Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:46 pm UTC

As an engineer/surveyor, we work in decimal feet and meters. And that's US survey feet, not international feet.
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Re: Random natterings

Postby e^iπ+1=0 » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:06 pm UTC

...why the fuck do we have two different feet that differ by less than a micrometer?
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Re: Random natterings

Postby Thesh » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:27 pm UTC

e^iπ+1=0 wrote:...why the fuck do we have two different feet that differ by less than a micrometer?


When the international foot was defined in 1959, a great deal of survey data was already available based on the former definitions, especially in the United States and in India. The small difference between the survey and the international foot would not be detectable on a survey of a small parcel, but becomes significant for mapping, or when the state plane coordinate system (SPCS) is used in the US, because the origin of the system may be hundreds of thousands of feet (hundreds of miles) from the point of interest. Hence the previous definitions continued to be used for surveying in the United States and India for many years, and are denoted survey feet to distinguish them from the international foot. The United Kingdom was unaffected by this problem, as the retriangulation of Great Britain (1936–62) had been done in metres.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_(unit)#Survey_foot
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Re: Random natterings

Postby eran_rathan » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:57 pm UTC

e^iπ+1=0 wrote:...why the fuck do we have two different feet that differ by less than a micrometer?


what Thesh said, and we have better measurements/definitions of what a meter really is now.
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Re: Random natterings

Postby Whizbang » Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:01 pm UTC

Ridiculous! We need to develop one universal standard that covers everyone's use cases!

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Re: Random natterings

Postby eran_rathan » Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:17 pm UTC

Whizbang wrote:Ridiculous! We need to develop one universal standard that covers everyone's use cases!



like getting the US to finally go to metric? Good luck with that. :wink:
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Re: Random natterings

Postby Flumble » Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:19 pm UTC

Whizbang wrote:Ridiculous! We need to develop one universal standard that covers everyone's use cases!

If you just don't consider americans, myanma and liberians 'people', we already have that universal standard: SI.

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Re: Random natterings

Postby eran_rathan » Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:31 pm UTC

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Whizbang wrote:Ridiculous! We need to develop one universal standard that covers everyone's use cases!

If you just don't consider americans, myanma and liberians 'people', we already have that universal standard: SI.


I'm still hoping Canada pulls a Russia and annexes New England. We'd be happier there... well, except Boston, but they won't be happy regardless.
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Re: Random natterings

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Then we'd have AAALLLLLLLLLLLL the maple syrup.
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Re: Random natterings

Postby somitomi » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:12 pm UTC

New User wrote:Have you tried shopping around for another calculator?

Have you seen how much a scientific calculator costs these days? I'm intending to use mine 'till the day I die.
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Uhm, a chip so vast nautical miles are a practical unit1 to describe something about it would be a sight to behold. Reminds me of those stupid jokes about Soviet microchips2.

1: Are nautical miles "practical" for anything really?
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Re: Random natterings

Postby eran_rathan » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:36 pm UTC

somitomi wrote:Have you seen how much a scientific calculator costs these days? I'm intending to use mine 'till the day I die.



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Re: Random natterings

Postby Flumble » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:45 pm UTC

The only advantage the 'scientific calculator' still has is a battery life of weeks... and possibly being the only device dedicated to entering formulas (and therefore being less prone to crashing than e.g. android devices).

I challenge you to develop an ARM-based graphing calculator for about 100 <currency>. A quick look indicates you can get a good SoC for less than 20, a fucking touch screen for about 25 (note that's a 3.5 inch screen, so you have physical keys below), a decent lithium battery with controller for about 20 (you're not going to power it with a couple of AAA batteries*). So there's a bit of room for the buttons, casing and assembly.


*unless you find that dozens of non-rechargable alkaline batteries are more environmentally friendly than a single rechargable lithium-based battery.

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Re: Random natterings

Postby Thesh » Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:55 pm UTC

Flumble wrote:*unless you find that dozens of non-rechargable alkaline batteries are more environmentally friendly than a single rechargable lithium-based battery.


NiMh seems like a better solution, depending on power consumption and weight requirements (I'm thinking button cell, so weight difference should be negligible).
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Re: Random natterings

Postby Flumble » Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:54 am UTC

Thesh wrote:
Flumble wrote:*unless you find that dozens of non-rechargable alkaline batteries are more environmentally friendly than a single rechargable lithium-based battery.


NiMh seems like a better solution, depending on power consumption and weight requirements (I'm thinking button cell, so weight difference should be negligible).

I was just thinking of my past experience with putting rechargable batteries in the TI calculator, because they dropped below the required voltage quite quickly. :P But that is of course a problem of the TI calculator (and the choice of battery composition) and does not have to occur in our hypothetical calculator.

I guess the power draw will be about 2W. (the highest number on the LCD I could find is 3.3V * 0.15A and an efficient SoC draws about 1W tops) That sounds like a lot of cells in parallel to provide such current.
Going by the numbers on wikipedia, 100g of NiMH would give you 5 hours of continuous use, whereas 100g of Li-x would give you 12 hours.

Dammit, why does 2W sound like a small number to me? My smartphone has a ~4Wh battery and it manages to survive a whole week (provided I'm barely using it of course). That's like 25mW. The TV remote keeps working for months even! 2W is huge; it drains a pair of AA alkalines within 4 hours.

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Re: Random natterings

Postby ucim » Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:59 am UTC

Flumble wrote:I guess the power draw will be about 2W. (the highest number on the LCD I could find is 3.3V * 0.15A and an efficient SoC draws about 1W tops)[...]Dammit, why does 2W sound like a small number to me?
3.3v x 0.15a = .495W A factor of four off, but I was expecting a few orders of magnitude. This is of course peak power; devices last a long time when they are not used. :)

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Re: Random natterings

Postby Thesh » Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:55 am UTC

Flumble wrote:I guess the power draw will be about 2W. (the highest number on the LCD I could find is 3.3V * 0.15A and an efficient SoC draws about 1W tops) That sounds like a lot of cells in parallel to provide such current.


I'm finding numbers closer to half a watt for consumption smartphone displays; for a calculator, I don't think you need a super-bright screen, and you don't need a very powerful processor. I think you could get a decent calculator with 40mAh 1.2v button batteries, but this is out of my area.
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Re: Random natterings

Postby Sableagle » Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:51 am UTC

somitomi wrote:Are nautical miles "practical" for anything really?
If you're still giving latitude and longitude in degrees, minutes and seconds, they do have the advantage that ...

6,371 km * tan (1') = 1.8532488 km = 1.0006743 nm.

... one nautical mile per hour will move you one minute of longitude at the Equator or one minute of latitude anywhere per hour. Given a cosine table, you can multiply your speed in knots by "one minute of longitude at the Equator" by the cosine of your latitude to get your longitudinal speed.
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Re: Random natterings

Postby Flumble » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:52 am UTC

ucim wrote:
Flumble wrote:I guess the power draw will be about 2W. (the highest number on the LCD I could find is 3.3V * 0.15A and an efficient SoC draws about 1W tops)[...]Dammit, why does 2W sound like a small number to me?
3.3v x 0.15a = .495W A factor of four off, but I was expecting a few orders of magnitude. This is of course peak power; devices last a long time when they are not used. :)

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2W includes peak power of the SoC and whatever other components in the calculator.
But indeed, that's peak power. When the SoC throttles down to nearly 0W, you're left with 48 hours of screen time for a 100g lithium battery (yes, still going for that battery pack rather than battery slots). That's not bad actually.


Awww, should've looked into modern graphing calculators: everyone's already offering touch screens for 100... plus margin, minus batteries, so maybe there is still something to gain. Especially with an ARM chip.

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Re: Random natterings

Postby PhoenixEnigma » Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:25 pm UTC

Flumble wrote:I challenge you to develop an ARM-based graphing calculator for about 100 <currency>. A quick look indicates you can get a good SoC for less than 20, a fucking touch screen for about 25 (note that's a 3.5 inch screen, so you have physical keys below), a decent lithium battery with controller for about 20 (you're not going to power it with a couple of AAA batteries*). So there's a bit of room for the buttons, casing and assembly.

The availability of new smartphones for under $100 retail suggests it's probably possible hardware wise. Does a cell radio and camera cost more than a more complicated case design and some buttons?
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Re: Random natterings

Postby You, sir, name? » Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:14 pm UTC

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Re: Random natterings

Postby Antimon » Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:22 pm UTC

I mostly back-read the big threads here. In this one I'm currently at April, 2014. So many things you guys don't know about yet. And I don't know what you're up to now. Not in this thread at least.

Sending this message is a bit like messaging a planet 1.5 lightyears away (if there is such a planet), I'll have to wait 3 years to read any replies you make. Or maybe no one will reply, I'll never know if the message got through. Maybe you're all dead. Maybe I'm dead before I get to February 2017.

Hm will this message update my cookie or whatever, so the browser forgets where I am now? Would it be cheating to read ahead, to see if someone responds to this message in a bottle?

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Re: Random natterings

Postby Antimon » Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:25 pm UTC

I mostly back-read the big threads here. In this one I'm currently at April, 2014. So many things you guys don't know about yet. And I don't know what you're up to now. Not in this thread at least.

Sending this message is a bit like messaging a planet 1.5 lightyears away (if there is such a planet), I'll have to wait 3 years to read any replies you make. Or maybe no one will reply, I'll never know if the message got through. Maybe you're all dead. Maybe I'm dead before I get to February 2017.

Hm will this message update my cookie or whatever, so the browser forgets where I am now? Would it be cheating to read ahead, to see if someone responds to this message in a bottle?

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Re: Random natterings

Postby Angua » Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:26 pm UTC

Antimon wrote:I mostly back-read the big threads here. In this one I'm currently at April, 2014. So many things you guys don't know about yet. And I don't know what you're up to now. Not in this thread at least.

Sending this message is a bit like messaging a planet 1.5 lightyears away (if there is such a planet), I'll have to wait 3 years to read any replies you make. Or maybe no one will reply, I'll never know if the message got through. Maybe you're all dead. Maybe I'm dead before I get to February 2017.

Hm will this message update my cookie or whatever, so the browser forgets where I am now? Would it be cheating to read ahead, to see if someone responds to this message in a bottle?

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Re: Random natterings

Postby poxic » Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:34 am UTC

Quick question for folks. I was forced at gunpoint* to upgrade to the latest version of Firefox. Now whenever I highlight some text, I get this small fucklet:

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What is it called? Can I disable it? How?

Thankee.

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Postby Deva » Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:46 am UTC

Guesses S3.Google Translator. Look under Tools > Add-ons. Should be under Extensions or Plugins.
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Re: Random natterings

Postby Flumble » Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:49 am UTC

[edit]dammit Deva :P [/edit]

You seem to have installed malware the google s3 plugin. Did you leave some checkboxes checked in the installer? :?

You can disable it by either disabling or removing the plugin ("add-on" manager ->"extensions").

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Postby poxic » Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:02 am UTC

You are both genii. I had indeed just added that but didn't know it had the highlight feature. (Haven't been using FF51 long enough to have highlighted much text yet.)

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Congratulations on being Fucklet Free.
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Postby Flumble » Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:14 pm UTC

poxic wrote:You are both genii. I had indeed just added that but didn't know it had the highlight feature.

RTFM! Watch the pictures on the fucking add-on page! :P

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Thank you for the addition of "fucklet" to my vocabulary.
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Re: Random natterings

Postby poxic » Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:04 pm UTC

Flumble wrote:RTFM! Watch the pictures on the fucking add-on page! :P

What, read the instructions? Like grownups are supposed to?

I should probably start doing that someday.
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Re: Random natterings

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About two years ago, maybe, I saw a few news stories about a large hole in the ground that was found via aerial photography, in Russia I think (maybe not, but I think it was at least in Asia or Europe). The article said that the hole was in a remote area, but a scientific expedition was planned. Quite some time later (sometime in 2016, I think), I tried to search the web for a followup story, because I'm curious as to what the expedition discovered or concluded. My search was unfruitful. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? Can anyone help me find more information?

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New User wrote:About two years ago, maybe, I saw a few news stories about a large hole in the ground that was found via aerial photography, in Russia I think (maybe not, but I think it was at least in Asia or Europe). The article said that the hole was in a remote area, but a scientific expedition was planned. Quite some time later (sometime in 2016, I think), I tried to search the web for a followup story, because I'm curious as to what the expedition discovered or concluded. My search was unfruitful. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? Can anyone help me find more information?
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Postby plytho » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:32 pm UTC

New User wrote:About two years ago, maybe, I saw a few news stories about a large hole in the ground that was found via aerial photography, in Russia I think (maybe not, but I think it was at least in Asia or Europe). The article said that the hole was in a remote area, but a scientific expedition was planned. Quite some time later (sometime in 2016, I think), I tried to search the web for a followup story, because I'm curious as to what the expedition discovered or concluded. My search was unfruitful. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? Can anyone help me find more information?


I 'member. I've found this article from 2016. They say it's probably methane explosions after the permafrost thawed and increased pressure.
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Re: Random natterings

Postby Deva » Tue Feb 21, 2017 5:04 pm UTC

addams wrote:Have you tried asking the Google Me This Thread?
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