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Re: XKCD, where they talk shit about you in a secret subforum

Postby BattleMoose » Tue Jul 12, 2016 7:55 pm UTC

SecondTalon wrote:You have never, not once, when Friend A was around, said to Friend B and C "What is up with Friend A [saying a thing|doing a thing]?" Not once? Because that's far more bizarre and unusual.


This is a pretense. That's not what's happening in Faid. You are writing down all the little things that frustrates about your friend, until there's a nice big stack and until such time that your friend happens to find it. That's what happened. It's not normal. Stop pretending.

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Postby Izawwlgood » Tue Jul 12, 2016 7:56 pm UTC

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Izawwlgood wrote:I'm not saying this to be a jerk, but I do think you're over reacting, painting too broad a brush on the entire FaiD scene, and taking this too personally.


And I think you are being an utter complete jerk, feigning sympathy. If you don't get it by this point, I just don't think you will. You are going on like this is some normal human interaction and its just not. This is not an okay way to be interacting with other humans. I have never encountered anything like this ever before. I hazard no one in any of my social circles has ever encountered anything as extraordinarily bizarre as what I have just done. But you keep telling me how I am overreacting.
Actually, I think your responses are a fair bit more rude than anything/most of what was ever said about you (or me) in EtS. You're basically slapfighting with anyone who is trying to dialog with you here, and at this point, even I, a forumite mocked for my refusal to let things go and to continually flog the dead horse, feel like continuing this discussion is a waste of time.

If you think for a second that people don't talk about other people without asking informed consent to be discussed, I think you're being particularly naive and immature. I would be willing to bet dollars to donuts that just about every single social circle you've ever participated in has had 100% analogues to this - friends joking about something you did, acquaintances talking about what an ass you are, enemies talking about how much they hate you, whatever. I bet you've done it your entire life. So frankly, claiming a moral high ground here is kind of obnoxious.

You are overreacting. The worst way to paint EtS is 'a place where forumites poke fun of stuff in other parts of the forum', and you're acting like EtS is actually in the business of stealing food from orphans, kicking puppies, and doxxing anyone who isn't a senior member. To keep flogging that poor horse, xkcd is a community, and communities are made of people, and people sometimes like talking to people they like about people they don't like, or even less maliciously, things people they don't like said. That's not a bad thing, despite your efforts to make it seem like it is.
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Re: XKCD, where they talk shit about you in a secret subforum

Postby SecondTalon » Tue Jul 12, 2016 7:57 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:What? FaiD is a "members only" area? I mean, sure, I guess, just as much as posting in the entire forums is members only.

In fairness, you do explicitly have to go and request access, whereas signing up in an implicit request to join the other hidden subforums, like Dear SB.
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Postby BattleMoose » Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:03 pm UTC

I'm out.

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Postby LaserGuy » Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:05 pm UTC

PeteP wrote:Is it just me that looks through the sub list when visiting a new forum to see what categories there are?

LaserGuy the rate of new content is on average low enough that that shouldn't happen. (It becoming a gigantic blackhole for your time.)


Well, considering that forum apparently about as many posts as all of the other fora that I normally follow here, combined, I am a little skeptical of that.

Zohar wrote:What? FaiD is a "members only" area? I mean, sure, I guess, just as much as posting in the entire forums is members only. Again, I'm not so clear what people expect - a giant flashing notice at the top of the forum that says "Notice: People may discuss stuff about you in areas of the forum you don't normally go to" ? Do you think there's some of conspiracy to how FaiD was created and introduced in the forum? What would be the reasoning for something like that? Like, this doesn't make sense.


It's not don't go to, it's can't go to. At this exact moment, I cannot read any of the posts on FaiD like I can any of the other forums here. I can't even see the titles of the threads, nor do FaiD threads show up in my search results or anywhere else. By comparison, even if I were not registered on the forums at all, I could still go to N&A or SB and read the threads, even if I couldn't comment on them.

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Re: XKCD, where they talk shit about you in a secret subforum

Postby SecondTalon » Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:12 pm UTC

BattleMoose wrote:
SecondTalon wrote:You have never, not once, when Friend A was around, said to Friend B and C "What is up with Friend A [saying a thing|doing a thing]?" Not once? Because that's far more bizarre and unusual.


This is a pretense. That's not what's happening in Faid. You are writing down all the little things that frustrates about your friend, until there's a nice big stack and until such time that your friend happens to find it. That's what happened. It's not normal. Stop pretending.

It's journaling. In public.

It's Livejournal. It's a blog. It's any number of methods people use to deal with frustrations and agitations. Writing things down, even if it's just an "Argh can you believe this guy?" in a place where you can get a "Yeah, I agree, fuck that guy for that thing" is nice. Having a place where you instead get a "No, that's actually fine. Why would you disagree?" is also nice. Maybe nicer.

That's what Enjoy the Show is.

That, and a lot of shitposting.
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Re: XKCD, where they talk shit about you in a secret subforum

Postby slinches » Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:16 pm UTC

For those who are avoiding FaiD entirely due to comments about the "Enjoy the Show" thread, that really isn't fair. FaiD is a lot more than that and the vast majority of content is just good friendly discussion, much like the rest of the fora.

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Re: XKCD, where they talk shit about you in a secret subforum

Postby PeteP » Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:37 pm UTC

LaserGuy wrote:
PeteP wrote:Is it just me that looks through the sub list when visiting a new forum to see what categories there are?

LaserGuy the rate of new content is on average low enough that that shouldn't happen. (It becoming a gigantic blackhole for your time.)


Well, considering that forum apparently about as many posts as all of the other fora that I normally follow here, combined, I am a little skeptical of that.

To be fair 200000 of them come from the "Let's beat the fess thread to 10,000 pages" thread and were mostly automated. But it isn't as active as it once was imo. Though personally I think even following the whole forum(-forum games) via new posts doesn't take that much time as long as you don't fall into the habit of checking frequently for new posts. (Participating though can take much time.)

Anyway I think you can just leave the user group again, unless that is blocked? I never tried.

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Re: XKCD, where they talk shit about you in a secret subforum

Postby SecondTalon » Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:38 pm UTC

Here, let me be utterly clear.

I'm not at all trying to suggest Enjoy the Show isn't shitty. It is.

I am disagreeing with the notion that it's not public. It's in the back room of the bar, sure, and you have to read a sign to know you can go back there, but it's still a public space.
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Re: XKCD, where they talk shit about you in a secret subforum

Postby Zohar » Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:10 pm UTC

LaserGuy wrote:It's not don't go to, it's can't go to. At this exact moment, I cannot read any of the posts on FaiD like I can any of the other forums here. I can't even see the titles of the threads, nor do FaiD threads show up in my search results or anywhere else. By comparison, even if I were not registered on the forums at all, I could still go to N&A or SB and read the threads, even if I couldn't comment on them.

Yeah, so? Some parts are more private than others. It takes like two clicks to do so, and probably less than a day. People have gone to the exact same effort to be part of the pink group during mod madness and I haven't seen anyone complain about how inaccessible that is.
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Re: XKCD, where they talk shit about you in a secret subforum

Postby gmalivuk » Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:16 pm UTC

It's true that I don't keep audio recordings of all my conversations with friends B and C about mutual friend A, but then I also don't keep recordings of all the conversations the four of us have together. Yet discussions here in General stick around just as long as the ones in EtS.

This is just the intersection of a(n admittedly often shitty) behavior humans have engaged in since forever, and the permanence and searchability of online-forum-based communication.
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Postby Whizbang » Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:47 pm UTC

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Re: XKCD, where they talk shit about you in a secret subforum

Postby LaserGuy » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:20 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:
LaserGuy wrote:It's not don't go to, it's can't go to. At this exact moment, I cannot read any of the posts on FaiD like I can any of the other forums here. I can't even see the titles of the threads, nor do FaiD threads show up in my search results or anywhere else. By comparison, even if I were not registered on the forums at all, I could still go to N&A or SB and read the threads, even if I couldn't comment on them.


Yeah, so? Some parts are more private than others.


Which is precisely the complaint of the OP, particularly in the context of part of that "more private" area consisting of mean-spirited conversations about other people who don't know about or have access to those areas.

BattleMoose wrote:So yeah, at the bottom of the board there is a sub forum, Free as in Destitute. Its not really a secret per say, I suppose. It is opt in but unless you do, there is no indication of what goes on in there, if anything at all.

Basically it consists of a large number of forumites, talking shit and being insulting about people who post here, when they have different opinions usually. But basically its okay because everyone can opt in? But unless you know about it, you can't. Having been a regular here for about 9 years I never knew this place existed. And is why I am making this thread. If its supposed to be a secret, be secretive. If its not, then be open about it. But this is super fucking weird.

Feeling more than a little abused about all of this.

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Postby Weeks » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:27 pm UTC

Thanks for requoting the OP for everyone, we're very forgetful
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Re: XKCD, where they talk shit about you in a secret subforum

Postby LaserGuy » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:48 pm UTC

Weeks wrote:Thanks for requoting the OP for everyone, we're very forgetful


Always glad to help.

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Re: XKCD, where they talk shit about you in a secret subforum

Postby keozen » Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:55 am UTC

I think we've almost got to the point of talking round in circles and BattleMoose seems to have quit the thread so I'm simply going to say one last thing and leave the thread myself.

EtS and threads/forums like it are a thing. There seems to be something like that that crops up on a lot of BIG forums and communities (Reddit has several that compete ffs). Some people like them and use them in a respectful manner as simply a vent space, some people use them in a very disrespectful manner. Some people don't see the point right through to openly hating their existence. (personally I'm pretty ambivalent, I don't think I've ever posted in there and if I have it won't have been more than a handful and honestly I've never searched to see if someone has complained about me or things I've said as I don't really care).

It is however very important, nay vitally important to stress that FaiD is not EtS.

An entire city isn't tarnished by one shitty bar, one shitty street, etc. Yes some people enjoy that particular dive and you may find it morally reprehensible and that's a fine and perfectly valid opinion but that doesn't ruin the entire city.

To denounce FaiD because of a single thread (or two if you count EtEtS) is to denounce an established, active community of largely wonderful people that you can't possibly have had the time to get to know if you only found about it's existence in the last few days.

I feel closer to FaiDians than pretty much anyone else on this site. The fora at large is "a nice community I feel a good part of", FaiD is where I can go to be with friends. I've met a good lot of them in person over the years. I started a webcomic with one, married another, etc.

FaiD isn't EtS.
Hell, I haven't read that thread in years.

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Re: XKCD, where they talk shit about you in a secret subforum

Postby Soupspoon » Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:15 pm UTC

BattleMoose wrote:It is when the people you have been venting about gain access to years worth of venting directed at them. I can honestly and categorically tell you, its a bad bad thing. There is a serious empathy failing here. Look, and the stuff said about me, wasn't that bad and often there was some truth to it.
True story: I was invited onto a 'breakaway forum', once. An invitation and/or application-not-getting-vetoed process was needed to get there, from thei original public forum that spawned it. It was one of several breakaways, because of the huge popularity of the original forum attracting 'all kinds' and the moderation (difficult enough, to please all the people all the time, IMHO) was often seen to be lacking. I didn't have much problem myself, but didn't actually mind being a member of an exclusive club that would have someond like me asba member (unlike Marx, G) and it was a nice place, with even some of the management of the first place involved.


But then I'm me, and not you. I've been in many a forum, BBS, newsgroup, etc, and I've left none of them bcause of private disagreements. (Forgotten passwords, usually, after changing hardware or access points.)

Once joined I found extensive prior conversations and, amongst them, comments about main-forum happenings that included, effectively, "Hey, you'll never guess what <Soupspoon> said about <foo>... What an idiot!" The fact that I was being an idiot (unknowledgable, at least) might have helped me accept that with good grace. But I didn't mind at all. They wouldn't have said that had I been a member already, but then maybe they would have explained/corrected my idiocy, instead.

How does this compare with the xkcd forums situation? Probably not that well. It's not secret, it isn't (SFAIK) vetoable upon application, its 'contiguous' to those who go the lengths to explore it1 and it is less moderated than the breakaway moderators modded their breakaway forum. But as a rough guide, I think it works.

1 I haven't yet. Not yet gotten around to joining in, and it seems wrong to leap in after this public 'announcement' likely draws in other non-members to apply. Let it settle down again first, I think, then wander in without fanfare. Then I'll see what's said about me. Not worth getting fussed about, I imagine. See that as a challenge if you will, but it's really just a fact.

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Re: XKCD, where they talk shit about you in a secret subforum

Postby gmalivuk » Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:38 pm UTC

Nothing has been said about you, it turns out.
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Postby doogly » Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:54 pm UTC

Well you haven't walked the links, it's hard to say with certainty.
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Re: XKCD, where they talk shit about you in a secret subforum

Postby Soupspoon » Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:05 pm UTC

gmalivuk wrote:Nothing has been said about you, it turns out.

The b...lighters... I demand you shut that place down for not talking about me in that manner!

(edit: Also, I really had meant to quote Oscar Wilde at some point... But as the point for the obvious one has passed, I shall instead resort to "There are only two kinds of people who are really fascinating: people who know absolutely everything, and people who know absolutely nothing.")
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Postby Neil_Boekend » Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:08 pm UTC

doogly wrote:Well you haven't walked the links, it's hard to say with certainty.

Certainty is a big word but if the name "Soupspoon" doesn't turn up it is very unlikely that there has been a discussion where Soupspoon has been discussed about.
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Postby PeteP » Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:13 pm UTC

I would offer to talk about you a bit there, but that wouldn't have the same feel as years old authentic mentions.

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Re: XKCD, where they talk shit about you in a secret subforum

Postby PAstrychef » Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:25 pm UTC

I'm still having trouble with the idea that FaiD is secret. It's right there on the front page of the fora, and it's pretty easy to get access. If it took you years to check it out, your lack of curiousuty is what hid it, not the structure of the fora.
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Postby Neil_Boekend » Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:56 pm UTC

When I joined FAID I was surprised to see that I hadn't been talked about, despite my extensive built-in idiocy.
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Postby Zamfir » Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:25 pm UTC

You're supposed to add #humblebrag

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Postby Neil_Boekend » Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:30 pm UTC

I just felt people had taken pity on me for being such an idiot and decided it was too sad to call it a show. I don't think that is humblebragging.
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Re: XKCD, where they talk shit about you in a secret subforum

Postby phlip » Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:48 pm UTC

Soupspoon wrote:
Not yet gotten around to joining in, and it seems wrong to leap in after this public 'announcement' likely draws in other non-members to apply.

Not saying this to argue with you, but just as an FYI for others reading the thread: it's not so much an application as it is an opting-in... maybe it was an application at first, when it was all a bit of an experiment, but in the form FaiD ended up settling down into, it's just a formality that keeps the spambots out.

I don't want people to think there's any sort of stigma or scrutiny or whatnot for applying to join FaiD, even right now when there's a bunch of attention on the forum. Indeed, if you join and lurk, the only people who'll know are you and whichever mod happens to process the application (and anyone who happens to check your profile to see if you're in the group).

Which is not to try to pressure anyone to join if you don't want to, I just wanted to make sure that was clear... since comparisons are being made to exclusive subcommunities with approval processes or whatever, which FaiD definitively isn't.

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Postby doogly » Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:53 pm UTC

Neil_Boekend wrote:I just felt people had taken pity on me for being such an idiot and decided it was too sad to call it a show. I don't think that is humblebragging.

It is as Golda Meir said: "Don't be so humble - you are not that great."
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Postby Neil_Boekend » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:10 pm UTC

doogly wrote:
Neil_Boekend wrote:I just felt people had taken pity on me for being such an idiot and decided it was too sad to call it a show. I don't think that is humblebragging.

It is as Golda Meir said: "Don't be so humble - you are not that great."

I shall have to ponder on the meaning of this. I've found some explanations but since they do not fit my intent of the post the perceived intent must differ from my actual intent. Which is worrying but educational.
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Not yet gotten around to joining in, and it seems wrong to leap in after this public 'announcement' likely draws in other non-members to apply.

Not saying this to argue with you, but just as an FYI for others reading the thread: it's not so much an application as it is an opting-in... maybe it was an application at first, when it was all a bit of an experiment, but in the form FaiD ended up settling down into, it's just a formality that keeps the spambots out.

I don't want people to think there's any sort of stigma or scrutiny or whatnot for applying to join FaiD, even right now when there's a bunch of attention on the forum. Indeed, if you join and lurk, the only people who'll know are you and whichever mod happens to process the application (and anyone who happens to check your profile to see if you're in the group).

Which is not to try to pressure anyone to join if you don't want to, I just wanted to make sure that was clear... since comparisons are being made to exclusive subcommunities with approval processes or whatever, which FaiD definitively isn't.

Yes, I let everyone in, even if they don't have any posts. Seriously, if I see pending applications to the Truly Free then I just tick the box to approve. The only reason you might not get in is if we think we've let people in, but haven't because we saw the notification while on our phone or something.
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Re: XKCD, where they talk shit about you in a secret subforum

Postby bentheimmigrant » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:31 pm UTC

I still contend that EtS isn't particularly mean spirited. It's occasionally rude, but, again, we have no idea who's going to see it because it's not secret.

We're carrying on with this presumption that: a) EtS is bad, and b) people are being terrible there.

Both of those things are false. It's simply a place people can post about arguments, noobishmess, and general hilarity, without breaking the rules (because there are none). E.g., when a mod deletes a post, reposting it would summon mod-wrath. Not so in FaiD

This whole thing started because Mauthe Dhoo decided to post one of the longer rants I've seen in a while, and thought they were being edgy by mentioning FaiDites.

Once it was pointed out that half the people they were whinging about were not members, they decided to inform Battlemoose that we've been saying terrible things about them behind their back (which isn't really true in either part of that construct) and try to recover from their failure at cleverness by pretending they always intended to be on a holy mission to reveal our hypocrisy (where the only hypocrite was actually Moth Doo).

So make of it what you will, but it's hardly the exclusive clique of mockers it's been made out to be.
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Re: XKCD, where they talk shit about you in a secret subforum

Postby Zohar » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:33 pm UTC

LaserGuy wrote:Which is precisely the complaint of the OP, particularly in the context of part of that "more private" area consisting of mean-spirited conversations about other people who don't know about or have access to those areas.

Yeah, I'm gonna say the "don't have access" is irrelevant, since you get access within less than a day.
The mean-spiritedness of it is debatable, at best (and has been debated quite a while).
As for don't know about - well like I said, there's plenty of stuff on the forum I don't know about. There are many people that don't read General and therefor still don't know about this thread. Still doesn't mean we're being particularly shitty or that there's a conspiracy going on.
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Re: XKCD, where they talk shit about you in a secret subforum

Postby gmalivuk » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:59 pm UTC

It is a bit different from other parts of the forums, because if you're not a member then you won't see search results there and you won't get notifications I people quote you there.

I don't participate in Forum Games or the OTT, but I do see if people are talking about me there.
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Re: XKCD, where they talk shit about you in a secret subforum

Postby Fractal_Tangent » Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:39 pm UTC

bentheimmigrant wrote:This whole thing started because Mauthe Dhoo decided to post one of the longer rants I've seen in a while, and thought they were being edgy by mentioning FaiDites.

Once it was pointed out that half the people they were whinging about were not members, they decided to inform Battlemoose that we've been saying terrible things about them behind their back (which isn't really true in either part of that construct) and try to recover from their failure at cleverness by pretending they always intended to be on a holy mission to reveal our hypocrisy (where the only hypocrite was actually Moth Doo).

So make of it what you will, but it's hardly the exclusive clique of mockers it's been made out to be.


I have an issue with the fact that Mauthe Dhoo started this whole thing just with the intention of hurting Battlemoose.
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Re: XKCD, where they talk shit about you in a secret subforum

Postby doogly » Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:59 pm UTC

Yeah, but we're the assholes. It's just facts.
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Postby SecondTalon » Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:53 pm UTC

I've got a chart proving it.
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Postby pseudoidiot » Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:13 pm UTC

Asshole charts are my favorite kinds of charts.
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Re: XKCD, where they talk shit about you in a secret subforum

Postby Mauthe Dhoo » Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:26 pm UTC

Fractal_Tangent wrote:I have an issue with the fact that Mauthe Dhoo started this whole thing just with the intention of hurting Battlemoose.
That's a stretch.

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Re: XKCD, where they talk shit about you in a secret subforum

Postby pseudoidiot » Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:29 pm UTC

Mauthe Dhoo wrote:That's a stretch.
There's a tab for that on the asshole chart.
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Re: XKCD, where they talk shit about you in a secret subforum

Postby Fractal_Tangent » Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:38 pm UTC

Mauthe Dhoo wrote:
Fractal_Tangent wrote:I have an issue with the fact that Mauthe Dhoo started this whole thing just with the intention of hurting Battlemoose.
That's a stretch.

Well, you've openly stated that you perceived EtS! to be terrible and that allows you to be terrible and part of that was insulting Battlemoose quite badly and then sending them a message telling them of what you did.

So you've taken it upon yourself to be terrible, insult Battlemoose and then make sure that they saw it.

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