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Why aren't many violent crimes committed via Uber drivers?

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 12:41 am UTC
by jacques01
Uber potentially allows for strangers to easily kidnap and abduct would-be victims.

Why hasn't there been a surge of violent offenders, e.g. serial murderers, serial rapists, etc. taking advantage of these ride sharing apps?

I figure if it were the case, they would be shutdown (except of course they have billions so they basically control the law).

Obviously I think Uber and other ride sharing apps need heavy regulation and to be heavily taxed, but that's a different story.

Re: Why aren't many violent crimes committed via Uber drivers?

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:00 am UTC
by commodorejohn
Fear of bad reviews?

Re: Why aren't many violent crimes committed via Uber drivers?

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:09 am UTC
by Deva
Potential for evidence? Performs (possibly flawed) background checks too.

Re: Why aren't many violent crimes committed via Uber drivers?

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:10 am UTC
by eSOANEM
I think your premise is false; there have been loads of stories of uber drivers committing crimes and/or harassing/stalking customers and this has been linked by many to the poor background checks they use.

Re: Why aren't many violent crimes committed via Uber drivers?

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:01 am UTC
by jacques01
If my premise is false, then why do people continue to use these ride sharing apps at an alarming rate? Why hasn't there been million dollar lawsuits against Uber and the like for endangering people's lives? Surely they would be out of business by now.

Re: Why aren't many violent crimes committed via Uber drivers?

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:17 am UTC
by ahammel
jacques01 wrote:Uber potentially allows for strangers to easily kidnap and abduct would-be victims.

Kidnapping and assaulting strangers is a very rare crime. Most violent crimes are committed by people who know the victim.

Re: Why aren't many violent crimes committed via Uber drivers?

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:22 am UTC
by SecondTalon
Pat orders an Uber. Pat is picked up by Chris. Chris murders Pat.

Police take 1.4 seconds to figure out Chris did it because holy shit there's literally a trail of "Pat ordered ride, marked picked up, never arrived, never marked arrived" trail. Gee gosh golly, who coulda possibly done it?

That's why.

Which, of course, isn't to say it doesn't happen. But I don't know if the statistics peg it as more or less dangerous than a traditional cab or form of public transportation.

Though I do agree they need to be taxed more and regulated to the same standards as a taxi service, up to and including needing medallions or whatever esoteric method a city uses.

Re: Why aren't many violent crimes committed via Uber drivers?

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 5:43 am UTC
by pogrmman
SecondTalon wrote:Pat orders an Uber. Pat is picked up by Chris. Chris murders Pat.

Police take 1.4 seconds to figure out Chris did it because holy shit there's literally a trail of "Pat ordered ride, marked picked up, never arrived, never marked arrived" trail. Gee gosh golly, who coulda possibly done it?

That's why.

Which, of course, isn't to say it doesn't happen. But I don't know if the statistics peg it as more or less dangerous than a traditional cab or form of public transportation.

Though I do agree they need to be taxed more and regulated to the same standards as a taxi service, up to and including needing medallions or whatever esoteric method a city uses.


I'm not sure that it needs to be regulated more. If it is, it should not on the local level. It needs to be regulated further nationally. All the attempts to locally regulate it haven't been all that successful. I also think things like what Austin did (banning Uber entirely) aren't super productive either. This just provides an annoyance for citizens without changing safety all that much. Heck, they devoted cops here to busting Facebook ridesharing groups while not having enough to stop people dropping rocks through car windshields on I-35 from an overpass!

I'd say that trying to enforce the ridesharing ban decreased public safety, at least initially. Granted, it is an unusual situation (delinquents were dropping rocks when the ban started, and it was new, so it needed enforcement), but this demonstrates why federal regulation would be better.

Uber doesn't really care if they can't operate in a single market (like Austin) due to local laws. The only way they can be made to provide more thorough background checking is if the federal government increased regulation of it. Losing the market across the US and pressure from drivers would make Uber comply -- those factors don't come into play as much at the local level.

EDIT: Also, to answer the question in the OP, I believe more crimes aren't committed due to Uber because most people are good. The incredible amount of evidence left behind may deter people, but I don't think the porportion of people who would commit violent crime is much higher than the porportion that already has. Most people have no incentive to commit violent crime. That's why I don't think it needs more regulation.

You aren't really endangering people by providing ridesharing services because the vast majority of people have no intent to harm others. Also, people are smart enough to know that if you are going to do a violent crime, you shouldn't leave such an obvious trail. In other words, regulation isn't needed because people are smart and people are good.

Re: Why aren't many violent crimes committed via Uber drivers?

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 12:00 pm UTC
by doogly
SecondTalon wrote:Though I do agree they need to be taxed more and regulated to the same standards as a taxi service, up to and including needing medallions or whatever esoteric method a city uses.

Or we get rid of the medallion system, because it is batshit.

Re: Why aren't many violent crimes committed via Uber drivers?

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:31 pm UTC
by SecondTalon
doogly wrote:
SecondTalon wrote:Though I do agree they need to be taxed more and regulated to the same standards as a taxi service, up to and including needing medallions or whatever esoteric method a city uses.

Or we get rid of the medallion system, because it is batshit.

That is also true.

But I'm thinking that a system where the barrier for being a cabbie is "do you own something that qualifies as a 'car' and can you legally operate it" is too loose.

Re: Why aren't many violent crimes committed via Uber drivers?

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:35 pm UTC
by doogly
Fascist.

Re: Why aren't many violent crimes committed via Uber drivers?

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:10 pm UTC
by Zohar
SecondTalon wrote:But I'm thinking that a system where the barrier for being a cabbie is "do you own something that qualifies as a 'car' and can you legally operate it" is too loose.

I don't get why you won't let me drive people around on my nuclear-powered mechanical horse.

Re: Why aren't many violent crimes committed via Uber drivers?

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 4:35 pm UTC
by ucim
If you're looking to commit a random violent crime, what does Uber get you? You'd do just as well stalking somebody off the street.

Jose

Re: Why aren't many violent crimes committed via Uber drivers?

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 9:12 pm UTC
by eSOANEM
Yeah, the crimes under has been linked to aren't violent crimes (so I suppose I overstated my case) because there's a bit too much of a paper trail and it's just strangers you could target. Its generally linked to things like harassment and stalking instead.

Re: Why aren't many violent crimes committed via Uber drivers?

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 9:34 pm UTC
by Chicagojon
jacques01 wrote:Uber potentially allows for strangers to easily kidnap and abduct would-be victims.

Why hasn't there been a surge of violent offenders, e.g. serial murderers, serial rapists, etc. taking advantage of these ride sharing apps?

I figure if it were the case, they would be shutdown (except of course they have billions so they basically control the law).

Obviously I think Uber and other ride sharing apps need heavy regulation and to be heavily taxed, but that's a different story.


Because the world isn't the violent place that the major news media makes it out to be. Serial murders & rapists are rarities. Run-of-the-mill murderers and rapists are more likely to target friends, relatives, & people in their community.

I suppose simple robbery could be up with Uber, but it's no different than taxis which we've had forever and even moreso than taxis there's no guarantee that the driver has any money.

Re: Why aren't many violent crimes committed via Uber drivers?

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 10:34 pm UTC
by ameretrifle
jacques01 wrote:If my premise is false, then why do people continue to use these ride sharing apps at an alarming rate? Why hasn't there been million dollar lawsuits against Uber and the like for endangering people's lives? Surely they would be out of business by now.

In addition to many of the other arguments submitted in this thread, I would also suggest that you are vastly overestimating the speed of the legal system. Possibly by an order of magnitude.

Re: Why aren't many violent crimes committed via Uber drivers?

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:38 am UTC
by teelo
My country is trying to outlaw Uber. Rather than require them to have the same qualifications and surveilance as taxi drivers. Sigh.

Re: Why aren't many violent crimes committed via Uber drivers?

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:13 am UTC
by Kewangji
teelo wrote:My country is trying to outlaw Uber. Rather than require them to have the same qualifications and surveilance as taxi drivers. Sigh.

Good.

Re: Why aren't many violent crimes committed via Uber drivers?

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 11:09 am UTC
by SecondTalon
How did that snarky tweet go...?

"Watch out for communism, you'll be forced to share your home and possessions, like your car. Oh, having trouble making ends meet? Why not become an Uber driver and AirBnB host and join the sharing economy?"

Re: Why aren't many violent crimes committed via Uber drivers?

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 1:13 pm UTC
by PAstrychef
teelo wrote:My country is trying to outlaw Uber. Rather than require them to have the same qualifications and surveilance as taxi drivers. Sigh.

Gosh, those pesky requirements that your vehicle be safe, that you aren't a (known) criminal, that you know how to drive and how to get from point a to point b! Also that the rates you charge are constant and the same for every passenger. Horrors, all of them.

Re: Why aren't many violent crimes committed via Uber drivers?

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 5:03 pm UTC
by sardia
PAstrychef wrote:
teelo wrote:My country is trying to outlaw Uber. Rather than require them to have the same qualifications and surveilance as taxi drivers. Sigh.

Gosh, those pesky requirements that your vehicle be safe, that you aren't a (known) criminal, that you know how to drive and how to get from point a to point b! Also that the rates you charge are constant and the same for every passenger. Horrors, all of them.

Criminals need jobs too, or else they'll be forced back into a life of crime. I thought you weren't a felon discriminator?

Re: Why aren't many violent crimes committed via Uber drivers?

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 1:04 pm UTC
by rath358
doogly wrote:
SecondTalon wrote:Though I do agree they need to be taxed more and regulated to the same standards as a taxi service, up to and including needing medallions or whatever esoteric method a city uses.

Or we get rid of the medallion system, because it is batshit.

A system for limiting the number of cabs on the street actually makes a lot of sense. It's a classic tragedy of the Commons situation