What is up with the ASCII capital phi?

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What is up with the ASCII capital phi?

Postby Jorpho » Fri Dec 16, 2016 7:25 pm UTC

Random question of the moment:

Consider an extended ASCII character table.
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Row E consists of a somewhat random assortment of greek letters. Right after mu and tau, but before uppercase (?) theta and uppercase omega, we see what looks like a sideways TIE fighter in column 8.

I can only assume that it's supposed to be an uppercase phi, as in ϕ, and that this depiction was chosen due to the difficulty of rendering such an intricate character in the limited space available. Except I can't seem to find any examples of someone using this particular typography outside of the ASCII table. Certainly, when writing by hand, a bisected circle would be much easier to write than that thing.

Have any of you seen this somewhere else?
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Re: What is up with the ASCII capital phi?

Postby LaserGuy » Fri Dec 16, 2016 7:51 pm UTC

Jorpho wrote:I can only assume that it's supposed to be an uppercase phi, as in ϕ, and that this depiction was chosen due to the difficulty of rendering such an intricate character in the limited space available. Except I can't seem to find any examples of someone using this particular typography outside of the ASCII table. Certainly, when writing by hand, a bisected circle would be much easier to write than that thing.

Have any of you seen this somewhere else?


It's an odd depiction, but it's not necessarily less accurate than Φ, and arguably less ambiguous.

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Re: What is up with the ASCII capital phi?

Postby somitomi » Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:11 am UTC

Jorpho wrote:Have any of you seen this somewhere else?

I've seen some of my university teachers using this sort of phi. Don't know why, other variations seem easier to write.
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Re: What is up with the ASCII capital phi?

Postby ajh » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:05 pm UTC

It's one of those cases where the serifs overwhelm the original glyph.

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Re: What is up with the ASCII capital phi?

Postby Aiwendil » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:40 pm UTC

It kind of resembles the way I write capital phi, except for the vertical line not being continued within the circle. I tend to use exaggerated serifs on capital phi (and theta) to more clearly distinguish them from lower case phi (and theta).

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Re: What is up with the ASCII capital phi?

Postby doogly » Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:52 am UTC

Which encoding is that table from?
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Re: What is up with the ASCII capital phi?

Postby Sizik » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:30 am UTC

doogly wrote:Which encoding is that table from?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_page_437
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