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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Chuff » Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:59 am UTC

You, sir, name? wrote:
Chuff wrote:in between = between


SUCK IT ENGLISH LANGUAGE


inbetween =/ in between, though; and in flammable is a non sequitur.

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Re: Today I Learned

Postby phlip » Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:36 am UTC

inflammable = able to be inflamed... ie able to be set on fire.

If English followed strict simple rules, "flammable" would mean "able to be flamed", ie something that you could apply a flame to, not something that you could set on fire. Of course, English doesn't follow strict simple rules, so it doesn't mean that. But still.

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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Kang » Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:55 pm UTC

Just that 'inflammable' derives from 'inflame' as in 'can be set in flames'. But yes, it is a bit confusing.

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Re: Today I Learned

Postby KestrelLowing » Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:17 pm UTC

Today I learned that there is such a thing called a "Squib ignitor". A squib is a small explosive devise, and the ignitor is what sets it off.

I just have this picture of Mrs. Figg just engulfed in flames.....

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Re: Today I Learned

Postby existential_squirrrel » Mon Jun 27, 2011 6:41 pm UTC

KestrelLowing wrote:Today I learned that there is such a thing called a "Squib ignitor". A squib is a small explosive devise, and the ignitor is what sets it off.

I just have this picture of Mrs. Figg just engulfed in flames.....


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Re: Today I Learned

Postby ShootTheChicken » Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:09 pm UTC

The Shrike is a bird famous for impaling food on sharp branches of trees. It is not just the name of a Dan Simmons character with peculiarly similar habits.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Whelan » Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:11 pm UTC

TIL: The BBC iPlayer site allows you to look at the schedules for non-BBC channels, and directly links to shows that are hosted on other online On Demand services. Awesome.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby M1k3_Nix » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:07 pm UTC

YIL; Cif multi-surface cleaner does not clean eyes and results in a worsening of vision. It also realy stings.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Cathy » Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:41 pm UTC

YIL that my boss is a firm believer in creationism, following a soapboxing on how much "sense" creationism makes from him.

I have no idea how he got on that subject (I was talking about traffic jams and NPR!) and I really wish he hadn't talked about it. He's brilliant with GVIM and about 10 different programming languages, and I respect him hugely for that. However, I have a really hard time respecting the intelligence of anyone who sees creationism as a valid idea. Ugh.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby podbaydoor » Thu Jun 30, 2011 6:07 pm UTC

I believed in creationism for decades and had to be dragged pretty reluctantly out of it, while being fairly educated on science for my age at the same time. In my experience it's all predicated on your emotional investment in your religion. You're attached to the religion first - and the emotional/community benefits from it - and then after that you need to start building the intellectual castle around it to justify your attachment. The more attached you are to it, the more time and effort you spend rationalizing it, and the more you rationalize it, the more comfortable you feel with it, and it just starts making "sense."

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Re: Today I Learned

Postby delfts » Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:01 am UTC

YIL what a Catch-22 is.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Kang » Fri Jul 01, 2011 3:54 pm UTC

delfts wrote:YIL what a Catch-22 is.

Two years ago, though, I learned that the movie 'Catch 22' was nowhere near as good as I had thought it would be.

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Re: Today I Learned

Postby emceng » Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:13 pm UTC

Kang wrote:
delfts wrote:YIL what a Catch-22 is.

Two years ago, though, I learned that the movie 'Catch 22' was nowhere near as good as I had thought it would be.


I learned in high school that PBS doesn't censor movies at about 2 AM. I caught part of 'Catch-22' and saw boobs!

Edit because my grammar sucked.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Cloud Walker » Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:46 pm UTC

I don't think the book is that good, either.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Magnanimous » Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:01 pm UTC

I thought the book was great, but too long. And the ending was kind of... random?

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Re: Today I Learned

Postby RoadieRich » Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:04 pm UTC

TIL That pronouns are not nouns that refer to a specific thing, as I was taught at school.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Giant Speck » Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:12 pm UTC

RoadieRich wrote:TIL That pronouns are not nouns that refer to a specific thing, as I was taught at school.

Care to elaborate on that? I'm not quite sure I know what you mean.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby RoadieRich » Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:21 pm UTC

At school, I was taught that pronouns are words such as "London", "Jupiter", or "RoadieRich": nouns that take a capital letter. Somehow, "he", "she", "it", etc also got shoehorned into the classification.

A post in FaiD mentioned that a post with a user's name didn't have one, so I looked it up. Turns out only the "exceptions" were correctly categorised.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Giant Speck » Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:23 pm UTC

RoadieRich wrote:At school, I was taught that pronouns are words such as "London", "Jupiter", or "RoadieRich": nouns that take a capital letter.

Oh, those are proper nouns, not pronouns.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby RoadieRich » Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:35 pm UTC

Yeah, that's what IL T.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby TimelordSimone » Fri Jul 08, 2011 12:05 am UTC

For years after leaving school I understood that nouns were divided into common nouns, proper nouns, and abstract nouns*.
Then I got confused because what about abstract proper nouns? I swear I was taught them as three distinct groups, rather than common or proper, abstract or concrete.

*Pronouns were a separate group, like adverbs are to verbs? I'm now not sure how accurate that understanding is.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Giant Speck » Fri Jul 08, 2011 12:34 am UTC

TimelordSimone wrote:*Pronouns were a separate group, like adverbs are to verbs? I'm now not sure how accurate that understanding is.

Not quite. Pronouns replace nouns in a sentence. Adverbs modify verbs, adjectives, clauses, sentences, and even other adverbs.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby The Scyphozoa » Fri Jul 08, 2011 12:39 am UTC

I never understood why "concrete/abstract" was grammatically important. It isn't the same thing as "countable/uncountable". Water is a concrete noun, but it's not countable unless you mean "bodies of water" rather than the substance itself.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby TimelordSimone » Fri Jul 08, 2011 12:43 am UTC

Giant Speck wrote:
TimelordSimone wrote:*Pronouns were a separate group, like adverbs are to verbs? I'm now not sure how accurate that understanding is.

Not quite. Pronouns replace nouns in a sentence. Adverbs modify verbs, adjectives, clauses, sentences, and even other adverbs.

Yeah. Somehow I still understood pronouns as a separate group, rather than a subset of nouns. I guess that is not really accurate.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby phlip » Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:56 am UTC

Pronouns are pretty weird, grammatically, though...

I mean, look at all of: I/me/myself/my/mine/I'm
Compare that with: Boris/Boris/[himself]/Boris's/Boris's/Boris's

So much simpler with the plain nouns...

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Re: Today I Learned

Postby thorgold » Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:33 am UTC

Today I learned that Charlotte, North Carolina, is the leading banking center of the US, after NYC. Also, the second largest enclosed mall in America is located outside of Charlotte (after Mall of America).
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Evengeduld » Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:10 am UTC

Today I learned the new glass door at the work lunch room got installed...

I also learned that you can not see freshly washed glass...
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby NecklaceOfShadow » Sat Jul 09, 2011 6:08 am UTC

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Python 3.1.4
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Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.

>> a = [1, 2, 3]
[1, 2, 3]
>> a[:0] = [-2, -1, 0]
[-2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3]
>> a{len(a):] = list(range(4, 7))
[-2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6]


TIL: That stuff up above is possible. Not only is it possible, it's *fucking awesome*

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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Hawknc » Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:56 am UTC

TIL that you can install WoW on a USB stick/portable hard drive, move it to a completely different computer, and it will still run like a charm without any re-installation required. If I was still invested in WoW, that would be pretty awesome.

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Re: Today I Learned

Postby RoadieRich » Sat Jul 09, 2011 2:25 pm UTC

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Python 3.1.4
[GCC 4.0.1]
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.

>> a = [1, 2, 3]
[1, 2, 3]
>> a[:0] = [-2, -1, 0]
[-2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3]
>> a{len(a):] = list(range(4, 7))
[-2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6]


TIL: That stuff up above is possible. Not only is it possible, it's *fucking awesome*

TIaL: I've finally figured out what python's map function does.

a[len(a)] is equivalent to a[-1], and any iterable would do; you don't need the call to list() in the second example.

Now you're familiar with map, look up itertools. Much joy resulted when I learned about them.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Cathy » Sat Jul 09, 2011 2:31 pm UTC

Hawknc wrote:TIL that you can install WoW on a USB stick/portable hard drive, move it to a completely different computer, and it will still run like a charm without any re-installation required. If I was still invested in WoW, that would be pretty awesome.

Some of the guys who hang out in the computer science lab at my college figured that out and would sit in the cs lab allll week playing WoW. For some reason the administrators got mad at them. :lol:
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby phlip » Sat Jul 09, 2011 3:01 pm UTC

RoadieRich wrote:a[len(a)] is equivalent to a[-1]

Not quite... a[-1] is the same as a[len(a)-1]... assigning to a[-1:] would replace the last element of the list, not simply append to the end. It's one of the slightly annoying parts of Python... a[-n:] is a list of the last n elements of a, provided a is long enough... unless n == 0, in which case it's all of a, rather than an empty list.

That said, a[len(a):] = foo is equivalent to a.extend(foo), the latter of which is slightly nicer.

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Re: Today I Learned

Postby e^iπ+1=0 » Sat Jul 09, 2011 6:35 pm UTC

Huh, I wasn't aware you could assign to a[:0]. Then again, just as there's a.extend(foo) for a[len(a):]=foo, there's a.insert(0,foo) for a[:0]=foo.
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Postby You, sir, name? » Sat Jul 09, 2011 8:12 pm UTC

Does this create working lists, though? I know sometimes list operations can create pathological lists that look okay but basically break if you try to assign to them.
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Postby RoadieRich » Sat Jul 09, 2011 8:50 pm UTC

They do, although a.insert(foo,0) doesn't do the same: it takes an object to insert, not an iterable sequence of objects.

It's functions that return non-lists: map, zip, enumerate and filter.
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Postby You, sir, name? » Sat Jul 09, 2011 9:15 pm UTC

RoadieRich wrote:They do, although a.insert(foo,0) doesn't do the same: it takes an object to insert, not an iterable sequence of objects.

It's functions that return non-lists: map, zip, enumerate and filter.


I think you can construct broken lists like this as well

a = [0,0]
b = [a]*2

b now prints as [[0,0],[0,0]]
Now if you
b[0][0] = 1
b becomes [[1,0],[1,0]]

This is an aspect of python I do not like. For all intents and purposes, b looks like any old list until you try to use it. I'm fairly certain there's a circle in hell where you're under a tight deadline and the code is full of errors like this you need to debug. And someone has spilled soda in the spacebar key so it only works sometimes.
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Postby RoadieRich » Sun Jul 10, 2011 2:12 am UTC

I'm pretty sure the same thing will happen in most languages, if you're not careful.

And that list isn't really broken, it's just taking the code more literally than you want it to. It's doing exactly what you tell it to: containing the list originally stored in a, twice, and an argument could be made that that is actually a good thing.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby phlip » Sun Jul 10, 2011 2:21 am UTC

The term is aliasing, and it makes a lot more sense when you think about objects and pointers/references. It can be useful if you want to pass things by reference to a function, or pass it to a function at all without having to do some potentially-expensive deep copy.

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Re: Today I Learned

Postby You, sir, name? » Sun Jul 10, 2011 3:15 am UTC

phlip wrote:The term is aliasing, and it makes a lot more sense when you think about objects and pointers/references. It can be useful if you want to pass things by reference to a function, or pass it to a function at all without having to do some potentially-expensive deep copy.


I dislike this, it's very inconsistent. Concatenating lists of primitives creates non-aliased lists, but concatenating lists of objects (or lists) creates a list of references to the same object. But this really is a greater problem with python's lack of explicit types.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby thorgold » Sun Jul 10, 2011 3:20 am UTC

TIL that running barefoot along a beach is pretty fun, and is a great way to find out if your shoes are the cause of leg and foot pain in your daily runs. However, I also learned that running along the water at low tide is a very bad idea, because the tidal pools and water runoffs create hard-to-spot ditches and dropoffs that can be hard to spot and easy to twist and ankle in.

So, learned to run barefoot, but not where you can't see what you're running on.
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