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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Apparently Anonymous » Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:26 am UTC

Yester day I learned how extremely important it is to lay down the ground rules in a relationship to avoid unnecessary conflicts/jealousy. Apparently it's weird/inappropriate for me as a girlfriend to go hang out with other men at a party.
I honestly had no idea that that's something that could upset my boyfriend, much less make him so devastated he'd have trouble talking about it for the next 24 hours and put us on the edge of a break up.

(No, my boyfriend is not controlling or anything, it's apparently abnormal to him that girlfriends behave like I did and while he knows now that I didn't know and that I didn't have any bad intentions, he still can't help his feelings. I just wish he'd mentioned something about it earlier, at least when he started noticing it was bothering him.

I guess he just expected me to know that stuff. I don't know how stuff in relationships work, generally.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby firechicago » Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:28 am UTC

Apparently Anonymous wrote:I honestly had no idea that that's something that could upset my boyfriend, much less make him so devastated he'd have trouble talking about it for the next 24 hours and put us on the edge of a break up.

(No, my boyfriend is not controlling or anything, it's apparently abnormal to him that girlfriends behave like I did and while he knows now that I didn't know and that I didn't have any bad intentions, he still can't help his feelings. I just wish he'd mentioned something about it earlier, at least when he started noticing it was bothering him.


So I don't know anything about your relationship other than what you said in your post, but your boyfriend sure as heck sounds controlling, whether he means to be or not. Sure, I can understand being upset if you spent the entire evening ignoring him and hanging out with other people, but just leaving him alone for a little while to talk to other people? And then getting the silent treatment followed by "I'm almost ready to break up with you"? That's some serious, Grade A controlling bullshit right there, and you should tell him to cut that shit out.

If your boyfriend is so irrationally insecure that he can't see you talking to other guys, then that's a problem that's happening in his head, not caused by something that you're doing. And not talking to other guys won't solve that problem, because his insecurity will just keep finding reasons to perpetuate itself, even if you wear a burka and never leave the house.

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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Steax » Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:33 am UTC

(I am not a relationship expert - "advice"/"opinion" in spoilers if you'd like them, and I hope it works out for you.)
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I don't think it's too controlling. Everyone has their own issues and expectations, and the only solution is to communicate it. I know perfectly honest and open people who just had bad experiences or simply "don't like" things, so yeah, it could really be one of many things.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Apparently Anonymous » Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:55 am UTC

Yeah, it's not the fact that I talk to guys per se, but the fact that I left the room with other guys to chat with them and such (since it was loud and too hot inside). I really didn't think about it at the time - it's just normal for me at a party with friends to move about and mostly not talk to one person/group of people for more than 20 minutes or so, and I guess maybe I treated my boyfriend a bit more like a friend than a boyfriend in that aspect. It's my first relationship and so I'm not used to it all yet. I did make sure to go find him regularily though ( like every 30 minutes at least?) but he didn't really seem to want me there so after standing/sitting next to him for a while without being acknowledged much I'd move along (like I would from a conversation that's come to a halt). His lack of responsiveness was probably caused by him already feeling hurt though.

And, the situation we're currently in isn't just caused by that, I'd say my own insecurities about the future of the relationship play a bigger part there. It's just that before I still enjoyed being in the relationship presently, but with this big conflict coming up it has put me closer to thinking it'd be better if we ended it.

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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Steax » Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:07 pm UTC

I honestly think the situation was an acceptable grey area, especially if you haven't been through it as a couple before. I know that I personally like my girlfriend to be close to me at all times during a party; it's just the way I've been comfortable with, and she likes it that way too. She can go and chat with people, but I'll usually catch up with her after giving a few minutes alone, and have the usual introduction thing. IMO, there's nothing right or wrong about a relationship, except those set by the involved people themselves.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby SecondTalon » Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:20 pm UTC

Apparently Anonymous wrote:I guess he just expected me to know that stuff. I don't know how stuff in relationships work, generally.
I have a lot to learn. At least learned this lesson now, the hard way.
How relationships work - you keep doing the same sort of stuff you'd do when not in a relationship, you just hang out with a person (or persons) more often than usual and usually engage in behaviors of an intimate sort. More or less.

Anything else needs to be negotiated clearly in advance, or else the you or the other parties - through lack of communication - will be emotionally hurt their partner when one party does something the other party did not expect to occur due to a complete lack of communication on the subject.

Does he have a history of one (or more) prior romantic partners engaging in what he considered cheating behavior?
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby firechicago » Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:44 pm UTC

Steax wrote:I honestly think the situation was an acceptable grey area, especially if you haven't been through it as a couple before. I know that I personally like my girlfriend to be close to me at all times during a party; it's just the way I've been comfortable with, and she likes it that way too. She can go and chat with people, but I'll usually catch up with her after giving a few minutes alone, and have the usual introduction thing. IMO, there's nothing right or wrong about a relationship, except those set by the involved people themselves.


I agree that in general, the more detailed description is more reasonable. And of course these are things that needed to be worked out between individuals. I was primarily reacting to a couple things:

1) The initial description of the problem as being that Apparently Anonymous talked to guys at parties. Arbitrarily declaring half of the human race as off limits for social contact is a big red flag in a relationship.

2) The assertion that Apparently Anonymous was "abnormal" for not spending all of the time. some relationships work that way, some don't, and if Apparently Anonymous' perfectly reasonable behavior caused her boyfriend distress, it's his duty to be an adult and talk to her about how he feels, rather than just expecting that she will naturally comply with his specific idea of appropriate girlfriend behavior. This is HIS problem, and trying to make it about her behavior rather than his feelings struck me as controlling.

So yeah, with more detail, this sounds much more reasonable. And I've probably been slightly over-sensitized to this stuff based on some things people I know have gone through. But I hope you can understand why the initial posting threw up some red flags for me regarding his treatment of her.

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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Steax » Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:06 pm UTC

Yeah, it's understandable. I think this is one of those rather polar issues; some people like to be on either opinion and stick to it, hard. I probably was over-sensitized as well, as a guy who does try to stick close to his girlfriend at social events.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby bluebambue » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:19 pm UTC

Apparently Anonymous, you're desire to talk to other men in a perfectly platonic way is very reasonable. You should not feel like you have to give this up in order to be in a relationship and is certainly not the norm in all relationships.

edit: for clarity in the second sentence.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Panonadin » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:27 pm UTC

I would just like to 2nd/3rd/4th some of the above.

Every relationship is going to be different. What you need is rules up front, and since you cannot go over every little thing you or he expects clear and calm communication when someone feels upset.

I'll echo just to make it clear, if your other friends have a different type of relationship then that's fine. That's them. Not everyone. I know that my Wife and I are one of those "99% of the time by eachothers side" kind of couples. That works for us. It may not work for everyone.

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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Apparently Anonymous » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:28 am UTC

firechicago wrote:If Apparently Anonymous' perfectly reasonable behavior caused her boyfriend distress, it's his duty to be an adult and talk to her about how he feels, rather than just expecting that she will naturally comply with his specific idea of appropriate girlfriend behavior. This is HIS problem, and trying to make it about her behavior rather than his feelings struck me as controlling.


Yeah, that's really the main thing about it to me - that he feels a certain way about me doing certain stuff is okay, but I really need him to tell me about it. It's not that I think he has the "right" to "forbid" me certain behaviours, it's just that had I known my behaviour is hurting him I might make the conscious decision to do some changes in how I behave in order for him to be more comfortable.

When I don't know what's making him uncomfortable, though, that's impossble for me. But apparently he assumed I'd already know. Trying to get through to him with this whole communication thing, but not always successfully.

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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Vieto » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:06 pm UTC

So I was doing some TV trope research for a novel I'm trying to write, and I stumbled upon the Fridge Horror section.

*shudders*

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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Menacing Spike » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:57 pm UTC

Lemmings levels are actually bitmap files! You could probably just open paint and squiggle your way to victory.

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Re: Today I Learned

Postby eran_rathan » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:16 pm UTC

today I learned that even though everyone keeps correcting me, I am using the correct word: it's a kippah in Hebrew, yarmulke in Yiddish.
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Postby Ptolom » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:08 pm UTC

Menacing Spike wrote:Lemmings levels are actually bitmap files! You could probably just open paint and squiggle your way to victory.

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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Giant Speck » Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:10 am UTC

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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Panonadin » Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:04 am UTC

TIL There is absolutly nothing at my job that I like anymore. I can't be happy unless I am challenged.

I have been here 9 years, they got me fresh out of highschool. Kept me employed through college and I have so many benifits to working here I know in my head I will end up staying until retirement.

I try and seperate myself from it as WORK/EVERYTHING ELSE but it gets on my nerves that I have to do that.

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Re: Today I Learned

Postby TheMaskedGecko » Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:45 pm UTC

MILF was used by US pilots in the '50s to mean 'mother, I like Fucking'. I'm still unsure as to the context this'd be used in.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Enokh » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:44 pm UTC

Vieto wrote:So I was doing some TV trope research for a novel I'm trying to write, and I stumbled upon the Fridge Horror section.

*shudders*



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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Shro » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:53 pm UTC

Enokh wrote:
Vieto wrote:So I was doing some TV trope research for a novel I'm trying to write, and I stumbled upon the Fridge Horror section.

*shudders*



TIL that I HATE YOU.

This is different than Women In Refrigerators which is the trope where female comic book characters get killed, maimed, raped, or lose their powers usually as a plot device to further the male character's story.
(In case you wanted to know one of the many many reasons ladies aren't flocking to this particular form of media)
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby eran_rathan » Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:28 pm UTC

Panonadin wrote:TIL There is absolutly nothing at my job that I like anymore. I can't be happy unless I am challenged.

I have been here 9 years, they got me fresh out of highschool. Kept me employed through college and I have so many benifits to working here I know in my head I will end up staying until retirement.

I try and seperate myself from it as WORK/EVERYTHING ELSE but it gets on my nerves that I have to do that.

HEY TIL TURNED RANT.


GOOMH, Panonadin - I've been here nearly ten years, and I am mortally bored with the usual stuff we do.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby SecondTalon » Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:25 pm UTC

Shro wrote:
Enokh wrote:
Vieto wrote:So I was doing some TV trope research for a novel I'm trying to write, and I stumbled upon the Fridge Horror section.

*shudders*



TIL that I HATE YOU.

This is different than Women In Refrigerators which is the trope where female comic book characters get killed, maimed, raped, or lose their powers usually as a plot device to further the male character's story.
(In case you wanted to know one of the many many reasons ladies aren't flocking to this particular form of media)

You know, even if the storytelling wasn't terrible, the art sure is. Boy do I love my funnybooks but oh dear god does it seem that half the superhero artists have no idea what a woman looks like, and the other half are tracing from porn.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Zarq » Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:35 pm UTC

Have you seen the cover for Catwoman #0?

It's not all that bad though. You just need to find your artists.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby SecondTalon » Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:38 pm UTC

Zarq wrote:Have you seen the cover for Catwoman #0?
This trainwreck?
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Zarq » Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:48 pm UTC

Eeyup. Guillem March is not one of the right artists. But, to be fair, I think he just doesn't know how spines are supposed to work, regardless of sex (or even species).

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Re: Today I Learned

Postby broken_escalator » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:10 pm UTC

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Re: Today I Learned

Postby eran_rathan » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:07 pm UTC

TIL the ALT code for pi is 227 => 22/7 is an approximation of π. I will never forget this now.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby yurell » Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:34 am UTC

I get 'Ò' when I do that.
Or 'ã' when I precede it with a zero.
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Postby roband » Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:13 am UTC

Ò for me too

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Re: Today I Learned

Postby KestrelLowing » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:57 am UTC

I got π when I did it!

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Postby yurell » Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:04 pm UTC

What OS are you using? These pages says we should get pi, but I get the Alt + 0210 character (capital grave O) when I try it.

Edit: For Windows 7, the Greek letters are in alphabetical order from 945 onwards, so pi is Alt + 960.
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Postby emceng » Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:57 pm UTC

SecondTalon wrote:
Shro wrote:
Enokh wrote:
Vieto wrote:So I was doing some TV trope research for a novel I'm trying to write, and I stumbled upon the Fridge Horror section.

*shudders*



TIL that I HATE YOU.

This is different than Women In Refrigerators which is the trope where female comic book characters get killed, maimed, raped, or lose their powers usually as a plot device to further the male character's story.
(In case you wanted to know one of the many many reasons ladies aren't flocking to this particular form of media)

You know, even if the storytelling wasn't terrible, the art sure is. Boy do I love my funnybooks but oh dear god does it seem that half the superhero artists have no idea what a woman looks like, and the other half are tracing from porn.



And this makes yesterday the first, and today the second time I have heard 'funny books' used as a name for comic books.


Edit: Also, holy shit. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fridge/Kick-Ass The spoilered part of the last entry on Fridge Horror? Wow.
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Postby Zarq » Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:18 pm UTC

Yeah, the comic's a bit more ... harsh.

Remember how in the movie

(spoiler for the movie)
Spoiler:
Katie forgives him for lying about being gay and becoming his girlfriend?


Well, in the comic

(spoiler for the comic)
Spoiler:
she doesn't forgive him, wants nothing to do with him anymore and sends him a picture of her giving a blowjob to her new jock boyfriend.
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Postby SecondTalon » Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:21 pm UTC

emceng wrote:And this makes yesterday the first, and today the second time I have heard 'funny books' used as a name for comic books.
I've been doing it for a bit now. Mostly as it makes it both ridiculous and hopefully makes it clear that I find the Comic/Graphic Novel distinction to be ludicrous. Because they're is no distinction. They're the same thing. Calling them different things is like .. I dunno, calling movie series something completely different from films that have a single 90-120 minute instance. Some funnybooks involve spandex-clad superhumans. Some funnybooks involve strange mystical creatures in strange situations. Some involve life almost exactly like the real world except there's a few instances where the artist is using the ability to draw as a visual description of how the person is feeling though it's understood by the reader that no one in the comic is perceiving the person as actually looking different. They're all funnybooks.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby eran_rathan » Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:51 pm UTC

yurell wrote:What OS are you using? These pages says we should get pi, but I get the Alt + 0210 character (capital grave O) when I try it.

Edit: For Windows 7, the Greek letters are in alphabetical order from 945 onwards, so pi is Alt + 960.


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Re: Today I Learned

Postby KestrelLowing » Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:53 pm UTC

TIL that people backpack in skirts.

Really, this makes perfect sense. Cooler in the summer, and if it gets cold, you can just pull on some long underwear without any issues. Also makes it a lot easier when nature calls and you don't have to expose your behind to the entire world. They even make hiking skirts for guys!

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Postby ArgonV » Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:32 pm UTC

TIL getting really angry sometimes works. We've made agreements about household chores here in this home and everyone agreed to them. They're simple things, such as 'when you go to the store, check the chalkboard for anything that is needed' and 'when you wash the laundry, try to fold it all that or the next day' or 'clean up the mess you make'. My sister keeps ignoring them and I've asked politely time after time again. Today I came home from work and she pretty much ignored every agreement again, so I got really angry, yelled at her for a bit, grabbed some dinner and ate upstairs in my room.

When I came down about an hour later, she had cleaned her mess in the kitchen, was folding the laundry and got all the groceries that were written down but she'd consciously ignored. Let's hope she'll do it without my, eh, motivation next time.

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Re: Today I Learned

Postby phlip » Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:28 am UTC

Re Alt codes: as a holdover from ye olde versions of Windows, you can set Windows to have to different "default" code pages for representing text - one for DOS programs, and one for Windows programs. The former matches the list of code pages that was available when actually running under DOS, and it's the one that gets passed to DOS-mode programs that you run.

Now, when you use an Alt code, it looks up the number you type in one of these code-pages... if you type a number without a leading zero, it looks it up in the DOS codepage, but if you type it with a leading zero it looks it up in the Windows codepage. The idea being that it behaves the same as it did under DOS, unless you type a leading zero (which you wouldn't have, before) in which case it does the new thing. I think there's maybe a way to get it to bypass the codepages entirely and just enter a Unicode codepoint, but I have no idea what it is.

Anyways, the most common DOS codepage is CP473, which is what most US machines will be set to (it's also the one that I remember using here in Aus, back in the DOS days). In this codepage, code point 227 (decimal) maps to the pi symbol. However, in western Europe, the standard code page was CP850, which replaced a bunch of the symbols with more vowels with accents that were missing from CP437. In this codepage, code point 227 is O-breve.
For the record, the usual English Windows codepage is CP1252, which is almost (but not quite) the same as ISO-8859-1, which matches the first couple of blocks of Unicode.

(TIL about CP850... CP437 was the only DOS-mode codepage I was familiar with... but I did a search through all the encodings Python knows about, and the only two codepages where 227 maps to O-breve were CP850 and CP857, which seems less likely unless we have a lot more Turks here than I realised...)

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enum ಠ_ಠ {°□°╰=1, °Д°╰, ಠ益ಠ╰};
void ┻━┻︵​╰(ಠ_ಠ ⚠) {exit((int)⚠);}
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby e^iπ+1=0 » Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:38 am UTC

O-breve: Ŏ

O-grave: Ò

You mean the latter, I believe.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby willaaaaaa » Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:48 pm UTC

Today I learned.............that Nelly is a guy.
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