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Europe! Explain your airlines

Postby wing » Mon May 26, 2008 10:31 am UTC

So I'm busy being unable to sleep, and I just discovered that there are perfectly solvent airlines all over your continent willing to sell me a round trip from Stockholm (Sweden) to Venice (Italy) for 1005 Kroner including taxes/fees/etc. - about US$171.19

HOW!?

A round trip of roughly the same range (cross-continent) in the US costs around $400 on a good day with our discount airlines.

Yes, I understand that they rape you on luggage to allow the sale of the cargo hold to cargo lines, but we're talking about piddly little A320's and 737's, not stonking huge 757's - you can't fit much in those cargo holds to begin with. They're only suitable for courier service use, really - and there's no way in hell, at American courier rates, that some courier parcels of equivalent volume to my luggage can make up for the $229 price gap between American "discount airline" prices and your "discount airline" prices. Hell, it'd cost me SIGNIFICANTLY less than that to overnight ship my luggage on FedEx or UPS.

So, how do you explain this, given that your planes are identical to our planes (737's and A320's) and your fuel prices are purportedly higher?
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Re: Europe! Explain your airlines

Postby fuschia » Mon May 26, 2008 10:41 am UTC

I have no clue how they do it, but they say with fuel price rises it's not going to last forever...often they offer free flights (or flights for 99p) and even with £20 taxes, the cost is tiny. Just be aware that the customer service is abysmal, get insurance, and be very careful to do things like getting your name exactly right, and making sure that your hand luggage is small and light enough, because they like to screw you with £80 charges for changing details on your ticket after booking, or charge you a lot for excess baggage.

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Re: Europe! Explain your airlines

Postby wing » Mon May 26, 2008 11:04 am UTC

fuschia wrote:Just be aware that the customer service is abysmal, get insurance, and be very careful to do things like getting your name exactly right, and making sure that your hand luggage is small and light enough, because they like to screw you with £80 charges for changing details on your ticket after booking, or charge you a lot for excess baggage.

So, the same as every American budget airline.

And as for not lasting much longer, we will be prepared to welcome you to the culture where most people never travel out of their home city, much less their home state or country (the US is already there)
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Re: Europe! Explain your airlines

Postby Simbera » Mon May 26, 2008 11:14 am UTC

Worth noting that flights from one side of Australia to the other (so, similar distances to coast-to-coast US flights, albeit slightly [slightly!] less) are often around the same price on the cheaper airlines (between 150-200 AUD, it fluctuates). To my knowledge they use 737s for the most part.

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Re: Europe! Explain your airlines

Postby fuschia » Mon May 26, 2008 11:26 am UTC

wing wrote:
fuschia wrote:Just be aware that the customer service is abysmal, get insurance, and be very careful to do things like getting your name exactly right, and making sure that your hand luggage is small and light enough, because they like to screw you with £80 charges for changing details on your ticket after booking, or charge you a lot for excess baggage.

So, the same as every American budget airline.


Fair enough, I was just trying to give you a helpful heads-up in case you were used to better quality service, since you are used to paying more. I wouldn't know about your airlines, having never been to America, but I always fondly imagined America as the land of good customer service, since the stereotype is that British is terrible in comparison.

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Re: Europe! Explain your airlines

Postby cypherspace » Mon May 26, 2008 12:31 pm UTC

Don't forget that the dollar is down the shitter at the moment and anything Americans do outside the country is going to be far more expensive than it used to be. That's certainly one factor. Dunno what the rest is.
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Re: Europe! Explain your airlines

Postby Shakleton » Mon May 26, 2008 12:54 pm UTC

wing wrote:HOW!?


We're just great! :D

@ topic:

Actually I have no idea. Go call a british airline and an american airline on the phone in a conference and let them argue.
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Postby EstLladon » Mon May 26, 2008 1:09 pm UTC

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Re: Europe! Explain your airlines

Postby MoonBuggy » Mon May 26, 2008 4:55 pm UTC

I'd guess that as an American you're used to getting pretty damn good prices on commodities (food, clothing, cars, etc.) so while the rest of us see something more expensive in our own country and say "Damn, they're ripping us off again because they can", you perhaps don't have that as the first thought?

Most of us here in the UK are used to having the companies charge us 50% more or so than you for items that come from the exact same Chinese factories, so it wouldn't be a shock to find out that an identical service is overpriced in one country simply because they happen to be getting away with it so far.
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Re: Europe! Explain your airlines

Postby wst » Mon May 26, 2008 5:42 pm UTC

MoonBuggy wrote:Most of us here in the UK are used to having the companies charge us 50% more or so than you for items that come from the exact same Chinese factories, so it wouldn't be a shock to find out that an identical service is overpriced in one country simply because they happen to be getting away with it so far.

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If you're flying from the UK at all, and want cheap/good service, use Monarch Airlines. They're pretty good, and they have the best airline food for low fare airlines around.
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Re: Europe! Explain your airlines

Postby Wanderingcowboy » Mon May 26, 2008 5:50 pm UTC

fuschia wrote:
wing wrote:
fuschia wrote:Just be aware that the customer service is abysmal, get insurance, and be very careful to do things like getting your name exactly right, and making sure that your hand luggage is small and light enough, because they like to screw you with £80 charges for changing details on your ticket after booking, or charge you a lot for excess baggage.
So, the same as every American budget airline.
Fair enough, I was just trying to give you a helpful heads-up in case you were used to better quality service, since you are used to paying more. I wouldn't know about your airlines, having never been to America, but I always fondly imagined America as the land of good customer service, since the stereotype is that British is terrible in comparison.

If by "America [is] the land of good customer service" you mean "Americans as a rule can be really whiny/sue-y so the companies have to pretend to give a damn" then yes, yes you are correct.
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Postby Robin S » Mon May 26, 2008 6:09 pm UTC

On the subject of budget flights - and particularly Europe and Stockholm - I created a thread here about extremely cheap (£0.02 including taxes, plus £2 card handling) flights to various European destinations with Ryanair. I thought it was a once-off, but it appears they have since run a number of similar promotions, including one which is currently available.
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Re: Europe! Explain your airlines

Postby SpitValve » Mon May 26, 2008 6:58 pm UTC

What bugs me about north american airlines is that after paying x hundred dollars for a flight, you still have to pay to get fed on the plane on top of that... When you pay two thousand bucks to come from New Zealand, the least they could do is give you a bloody pie! (Fortunately, the american part of my trip (LA->NY) was after a long stop in LA (~11 hours) so I was able to eat in LA and sleep on the plane).

On the 3ish hour flight from NZ to Australia you pretty much always get a meal...

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Re: Europe! Explain your airlines

Postby wing » Mon May 26, 2008 7:31 pm UTC

Wanderingcowboy wrote:
fuschia wrote:
wing wrote:
fuschia wrote:Just be aware that the customer service is abysmal, get insurance, and be very careful to do things like getting your name exactly right, and making sure that your hand luggage is small and light enough, because they like to screw you with £80 charges for changing details on your ticket after booking, or charge you a lot for excess baggage.
So, the same as every American budget airline.
Fair enough, I was just trying to give you a helpful heads-up in case you were used to better quality service, since you are used to paying more. I wouldn't know about your airlines, having never been to America, but I always fondly imagined America as the land of good customer service, since the stereotype is that British is terrible in comparison.

If by "America [is] the land of good customer service" you mean "Americans as a rule can be really whiny/sue-y so the companies have to pretend to give a damn" then yes, yes you are correct.

See, a few months back I booked some tickets on JetBlue. At the time, their policy was still "two checked bags are free" and that was a major part of my decisionmaking process. Then, effective 25 days ago, they changed their policy so it's only one bag now. By the time my actual flight rolls around, I expect it to be NO bags free, possibly even charge-by-weight. Since I booked like 6 months in advance, I expect there to be NOBODY working the check counter that knows that I'm entitled to two freebies, or is capable of giving me such. Therefore, I am perfectly willing to pay the fees both ways, and then once I get home RAISE HELL with corporate until they fix it (which they likely won't)
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Re: Europe! Explain your airlines

Postby bridge » Mon May 26, 2008 7:43 pm UTC

cypherspace wrote:Don't forget that the dollar is down the shitter at the moment and anything Americans do outside the country is going to be far more expensive than it used to be. That's certainly one factor. Dunno what the rest is.

That should make the price higher for him, since he's paying in dollars
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Re: Europe! Explain your airlines

Postby MotorToad » Mon May 26, 2008 7:45 pm UTC

Re: original topic, I would say a large portion of it is population density. The only part of the United States that even marginally resembles Europe's density is the northeastern "BOS-WASH" corridor. In order to pay for services to airports like, say, Panama City, FL or Tulsa, OK which are going to be seasonal, half full, out of the way, or otherwise inconvenient to profit the airlines have to make more money on the flights that are full and consistently profitable.
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Re: Europe! Explain your airlines

Postby cypherspace » Mon May 26, 2008 7:54 pm UTC

bridge wrote:
cypherspace wrote:Don't forget that the dollar is down the shitter at the moment and anything Americans do outside the country is going to be far more expensive than it used to be. That's certainly one factor. Dunno what the rest is.

That should make the price higher for him, since he's paying in dollars

Hmm, yes, I was rather mixed up on that one.
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Re: Europe! Explain your airlines

Postby EdB » Mon May 26, 2008 9:30 pm UTC

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the taxation difference, though in a manner of speaking it did come up. Like, when you pay 50% more for the same stuff coming out of the same Chinese factories in European nations than in the USA it is due to taxes, which in turn supports/subsidizes more infrastructure than the US government supports/subsidizes. Airlines and airports are one such example of infrastructure that, to the best of my (limited) knowledge, get a helping hand from the governments in Europe but not in the USA. So the airlines have to charge more to support the full expense of running an airline. Meaning fees to have gates charged by airports that have to pay for all aspects of running a business. Yeah there's laws and stuff about *how* they can run their businesses, but in the US it's all business all the time.

Anyway flying was and is once again for the birds. And hang glider pilots (of course). I don't care how expensive gasoline gets: no one at any gas station ever tried to inspect my shoes or had a little hissy fit because I happen to have a nail clipper or a couple of pistols with me.

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Re: Europe! Explain your airlines

Postby MoonBuggy » Mon May 26, 2008 10:20 pm UTC

Quick clarification as it's an assumption I've seen made quite often: while we do have higher taxes and our prices (in the UK at least) always include tax whereas AFAIK yours don't, that doesn't account for the discrepancy, the basic pre-tax price we pay is almost always higher to start with. It's getting a little better now, but unfortunately we do still have to resign ourselves to paying considerably more for a lot of things pretty much on the basis that the companies are getting away with it so they have no reason to change.
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Re: Europe! Explain your airlines

Postby Birdman » Tue May 27, 2008 12:58 pm UTC

wing wrote:...stonking huge 757's?


Huge?!? I bitch and moan about 767s being too small.

As for why they're so cheap, I can only add that the European Low Cost Carriers really have "Low Cost" nailed down. Some have turnarounds quicker than 25 minutes. That is: aircraft arrives at gate, passengers disembark & baggage removed, water & waste tanks are replenished/emptied , plane is fuelled, engineers inspect the exterior, wheels and engines, new passengers and baggage are loaded, doors are closed, and a tug pushes the plane back from the gate. All in 25 minutes! We (at a certain Australian full-service airline) are hard-pressed to turn a plane around in an hour and a half.

Some of the differences are fair enough. Fuelling a plane for a short hop like these flown within Europe doesn't take nearly as long as pumping 160 tonnes of kerosene for a Sydney-LA flight (35 minutes?). 0ther things they just skip: our and other airlines' planes have their cabins cleaned between flights. OTOH Ryanair cleans theirs once a day. I don't want to cast aspersions on their engineers, but I feel that they're being set an impossible task being asked to do an effective inspection (and fix problems!) in that short a time.

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Re: Europe! Explain your airlines

Postby choginga » Tue May 27, 2008 1:38 pm UTC

Prices go alot lower than that.

It is about filling planes. It is better to have the seat full for a small fare than not get that fare at all.
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Postby evilbeanfiend » Tue May 27, 2008 1:44 pm UTC

choginga wrote:Prices go alot lower than that.

It is about filling planes. It is better to have the a seat full for a small fare than not get that fare at all.


presumably at some point its not worth running the service at all though? i have no idea how the airline industry works but i could well believe that to ensure they have the slots they want at peak times they have to agree to a certain number of flights at off peak times that they can't make a profit on. making as little loss as possible then becomes the priority which could lead to lowering prices to get bums on seats.
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Re: Europe! Explain your airlines

Postby choginga » Tue May 27, 2008 1:58 pm UTC

evilbeanfiend wrote:
choginga wrote:Prices go alot lower than that.

It is about filling planes. It is better to have the a seat full for a small fare than not get that fare at all.


presumably at some point its not worth running the service at all though? i have no idea how the airline industry works but i could well believe that to ensure they have the slots they want at peak times they have to agree to a certain number of flights at off peak times that they can't make a profit on. making as little loss as possible then becomes the priority which could lead to lowering prices to get bums on seats.


Not everyone pays the same price for the same plane. Prices steadily increase towards the date of departure. If the plane is not filling nicely the airline will often offer specials. One super low price does not mean that they will always be that price.

New Zealand has a website dedicated to offering cheap domestic flights on a major carrier. The idea is that they offer the day, time and price and the first person to pay for it gets the seat. The prices can go as low as 10% of a normal fair. You must pay more to choose your itinerary.

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Re: Europe! Explain your airlines

Postby Birdman » Tue May 27, 2008 2:07 pm UTC

Also, it's only the first 15 or so seats that are £5. the last 5 seats will be sold for much, much more. Standard sort of deal here: Sydney-Perth (3500km), first few seats cost ~AUD$200 while the last few sold cost ~AUD$1800.

edit: bah - choginga beat me to it.

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Postby existential_elevator » Thu May 29, 2008 11:46 am UTC

evilbeanfiend wrote:
choginga wrote:Prices go alot lower than that.

It is about filling planes. It is better to have the a seat full for a small fare than not get that fare at all.


presumably at some point its not worth running the service at all though? i have no idea how the airline industry works but i could well believe that to ensure they have the slots they want at peak times they have to agree to a certain number of flights at off peak times that they can't make a profit on. making as little loss as possible then becomes the priority which could lead to lowering prices to get bums on seats.


This. There was a small airport which opened up near my original hometown. They used to to international flights, but they stopped a lot of their services because it was unprofitable. We were fairly near the channel tunnel anyway, so in fairness it was just as easy to get to somewhere in central Europe on train.

Another reason that UK budget airlines are cheap is down to the fact that their planes tend to be old and second hand, and so are more profitable for the company to use. They generally won't have televisions or anything like that on board. Some airlines will also charge for meals, and for check-ins. With RyanAir, you're encouraged to print off your boarding pass at home.

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Re: Europe! Explain your airlines

Postby Dream » Thu May 29, 2008 2:53 pm UTC

Air travel around Europe seems like madness to me, and I did it quite a lot before I gave it up. Trains are more civilised entirely. And they take you directly to your city destination, with no waits or security or any of the other crap you're expected to put up with on airlines. Also you can carry as much luggage as you can walk on with, no questions asked. And you can move around more, and you generally have much more space. More than anything, the act of travelling through the countryside surrounding your destination gives a sense of context and place that dropping out of the sky via two high security airports just can't.

In any case, the budget airlines essentially only pay for fuel, salaries and maintenance. That allows them to charge such low fares. They travel to regional (read: remote) airports, and these airports are happy to have them. Airlines pay no tax on fuel, and buy bulk futures at low prices to stockpile for times when the oil price make their margins difficult. Nothing is free (where everything is free on a very long flight by any decent carrier) and they make money on sales of everything from sandwiches to cheap cologne. But they can't ignore $140 oil. I read somewhere that Ryanair's operating surplus will be wiped out around $145, and they'll have to start raising prices. I cannot wait for them to start going out of business.
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Postby kovan » Thu May 29, 2008 3:05 pm UTC

SpitValve wrote:What bugs me about north american airlines is that after paying x hundred dollars for a flight, you still have to pay to get fed on the plane on top of that... When you pay two thousand bucks to come from New Zealand, the least they could do is give you a bloody pie! (Fortunately, the american part of my trip (LA->NY) was after a long stop in LA (~11 hours) so I was able to eat in LA and sleep on the plane).

On the 3ish hour flight from NZ to Australia you pretty much always get a meal...



Last time I flew I did a round trip to Calgary first class, free food, $80 on Air Canada.


Of course flying with an Air Canada captain helped, I'm sure.

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Re: Europe! Explain your airlines

Postby MotorToad » Thu May 29, 2008 4:57 pm UTC

Dream wrote:Air travel around Europe seems like madness to me, and I did it quite a lot before I gave it up. Trains are more civilised entirely. And they take you directly to your city destination, with no waits or security or any of the other crap you're expected to put up with on airlines. Also you can carry as much luggage as you can walk on with, no questions asked. And you can move around more, and you generally have much more space. More than anything, the act of travelling through the countryside surrounding your destination gives a sense of context and place that dropping out of the sky via two high security airports just can't.

I took a train from Washington D.C. to Old Lyme, CT and hoped for a similar, romantic traipse through the countryside. Unfortunately what I saw was an incredible industrial wasteland though Pennsylvania, Delaware, and New Jersey. The proximity to factories actually made me feel concerned about breathing! By the time there might have been something out the window worth viewing in Connecticut, it was dark.

Trains really aren't an option here in the U.S., though. I'd like to have that option with gas prices now, and Greyhound is a horrible way to travel. Just out of morbid curiosity I looked at AMTRAK's web page and they still list Pensacola on all their maps, though they don't run this route anymore (I think it's been three years since they stopped). And it couldn't find a route between two stations off of their own list... how nice to have such a professional operation!
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Re: Europe! Explain your airlines

Postby MoonBuggy » Thu May 29, 2008 5:05 pm UTC

If you're interested in doing any real distance by train, Seat Sixty-One is brilliant. I can't vouch for their information on the US, but it was pretty damn useful for getting me across a significant portion of the planet (seeing the country you're passing through is awesome, if you're travelling for the sake of travelling. I don't know that I'd have been so enthusiastic if I were travelling with the actual aim of being in a given place at a given time...)
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Re: Europe! Explain your airlines

Postby Endless Mike » Thu May 29, 2008 5:27 pm UTC

wing wrote:See, a few months back I booked some tickets on JetBlue. At the time, their policy was still "two checked bags are free" and that was a major part of my decisionmaking process. Then, effective 25 days ago, they changed their policy so it's only one bag now. By the time my actual flight rolls around, I expect it to be NO bags free, possibly even charge-by-weight. Since I booked like 6 months in advance, I expect there to be NOBODY working the check counter that knows that I'm entitled to two freebies, or is capable of giving me such. Therefore, I am perfectly willing to pay the fees both ways, and then once I get home RAISE HELL with corporate until they fix it (which they likely won't)

How long are you traveling for that you need two checked bags plus carryons worth of luggage? I can get by for a week with just my carryon.


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