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National Anthem of the USSR

Postby Turambar » Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:32 am UTC

I have come to the realization that the USSR had (and Russia now has) the most badass national anthem that has ever existed. What are we Americans doing with our impotent "Star-Spangled Banner"? I mean, hearing the Soviet anthem makes me want to be a dirt-poor Muscovite in the Soviet era, if only because I could hear that song all the freaking time, sung by the Red Army Choir. The Star-Spangled Banner, on the other hand, just makes me hate sports games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpKRd2xQeq8

Is there any national anthem that comes even close? Das Lied Der Deutschland is pretty good, and La Marseillaise isn't bad, but I really don't think they can compare with the awesome, bombastic Russianness that is the Soviet anthem.
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Re: National Anthem of the USSR

Postby MikeBabaguh » Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:23 am UTC

Wow, that really takes me back to my childhood. I don't think I've heard that since the 1988 Olympics.

I remember liking the song, despite knowing that the USSR was my enemy, because I was an American and they were Communists. It's odd what TV can teach a kid about politics.

It does have a certain machismo to it, doesn't it?
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Re: National Anthem of the USSR

Postby ZLVT » Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:37 am UTC

Turambar wrote:Das Lied Der Deutschland is pretty good


Would this be "Deutschland Deutschland über alles"?
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Re: National Anthem of the USSR

Postby eternal luna » Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:11 am UTC

I had just clicked on the link when my parents walked through the door. Within a few notes, they recognised it and began singing along. I think that robbed it of a little of its grandeur.
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Re: National Anthem of the USSR

Postby ZLVT » Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:30 am UTC

HAHAHA mine would do the same thing ;)
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Re: National Anthem of the USSR

Postby Of Negligible Mass » Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:54 am UTC

ZLVT wrote:
Turambar wrote:Das Lied Der Deutschland is pretty good


Would this be "Deutschland Deutschland über alles"?


Nooooooo! Same song, but only the third verse is actually the national anthem (if I understand it correctly)... Apparently people had a problem with post-WW2 Germans singing rampantly nationalist songs... Wikipedia has the details...

I quite like "God save the Queen". Although I don't believe in God. Or the monarchy really, for that matter. But there's something so damned BRITISH about it...
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Re: National Anthem of the USSR

Postby Dobblesworth » Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:55 am UTC

Of Negligible Mass wrote:
ZLVT wrote:
Turambar wrote:Das Lied Der Deutschland is pretty good

Would this be "Deutschland Deutschland über alles"?

Nooooooo! Same song, but only the third verse is actually the national anthem (if I understand it correctly)... Apparently people had a problem with post-WW2 Germans singing rampantly nationalist songs... Wikipedia has the details...

I quite like "God save the Queen". Although I don't believe in God. Or the monarchy really, for that matter. But there's something so damned BRITISH about it...

Correct. "Deutschland, Deutschland, uber alles" are the opening words to the first verse for that composition, probably initially devised during the Second Reich, Weimar years or the Nazi regime (consult Wikipedia). Since 'sometime between WWII and after re-unification', the anthem has used the third verse of that piece:
Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit /
Fur das deutsche Vaterland.

which loosely translates to:
Unity (literally oneness) and [Civil/Human] Rights and Freedom /
For the German Fatherland.


On the topic of anthems as a whole, I tend to enjoy them when you can hear what the line of 11 footballers are singing when they're standing on the pitch in front of the camera with their arms on eachothers' shoulders. The Marseillaise, yes it sounds nice, but the lyrics don't tend to be pronounced as heavily, so I can't appreciate the apparent description of bloodied streets of Paris.

God Save the Queen I love. It embodies that dour resilience of the British people, and as I have nothing against God or the British Monarchy, I have no qualms with singing it. My only problem with it, is the fact that our affair has about 6 lines and lasts less than a minute. Others like the Italian have 1 minute of instrumental section before people start singing. We seriously need to use the optional 6th/8th verse, added at the time of the Jacobite rebellion which explicitly states "God grant thine strength to valourous Lord Such-and-such, headed north to smite the Scottish rebels!"
Others say we need to switch the anthem to Rule Britannia, Land of Hope & Glory or Jerusalem, something a bit more pro-British rather than pro-whoever's in charge, but I'm fine with what we have.

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Re: National Anthem of the USSR

Postby bbctol » Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:01 am UTC

One of my friends has the English translation of the Soviet national anthem memorized. It is a pretty damn good song, though.
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Re: National Anthem of the USSR

Postby saxmaniac1987 » Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:48 pm UTC

The soviet anthem is pretty neat. Though I wouldn't knock the Star Spangled Banner either. A good instrumental and choral version (with blazing trumpet fanfares) definitely sends chills...
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Re: National Anthem of the USSR

Postby EstLladon » Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:49 pm UTC

Modern russian anthem has the same music as the soviet one but with different words. Fun thing? Both variants (not to mention that they had changed the soviet version couple of times (deleted mentions of Stalin, for example)) are written by the same guy nearly 60 years apart.
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Re: National Anthem of the USSR

Postby Nebuduck » Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:14 pm UTC

Yes, yes. The russian national anthem is awesome. They know how to inspire national pride etc. etc.

With regards to God Save the Queen, well, I'm a republican atheist, but that's not the real reason that song doesn't sit well with me. I just think it's so god-damned boring and wishy-washy. I mean, why couldn't we have "Rule Brittania" as the anthem or something - something with a bit of oomph. "Jerusalem", maybe, would be good - I don't mind that it has religious connotations, it's just a better song all round.

Also, I think a national anthem should celebrate the country. Not one specific person in that country. Even if I thought the monarchy was a good thing, I'd still be of that opinion.

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Re: National Anthem of the USSR

Postby PatrickRsGhost » Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:45 pm UTC

I know a lot of people like to knock the USA's national anthem. I can see their point. It's about a flag. A raggedy old flag, flying in the wind, during a war. The even was witnessed by a lawyer, of all people to write a poem. I'm sure he fudged the truth a bit to win his side of the case in court. Also, the music used is based on a British drinking song.

Quite possibly the song has deeper meaning. Most national anthems talk about how great and wonderful the country in question is, about how it's built by the People, how everyone must love the Motherland, etc. "The Star Spangled Banner," however, has a deeper meaning.

When Key wrote the poem, he noticed how the flag was still flying in the wind, albeit a bit torn and battered from the war. What this was saying to him was that while America was being beaten and battered, it was still holding its ground. It was still standing up for what it believed in. It was not going down without a fight. That has pretty much been the stance America takes. We will never give up, even when the odds are against us. No matter how down we are kicked, we will manage to still stand up.
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Re: National Anthem of the USSR

Postby jtniehof » Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:05 pm UTC

Of Negligible Mass wrote:I quite like "God save the Queen". Although I don't believe in God. Or the monarchy really, for that matter. But there's something so damned BRITISH about it...

I forget...what American nationalist song is set to the same tune? I always screw up and start singing "God Save the Queen" instead.

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Re: National Anthem of the USSR

Postby Clumpy » Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:39 pm UTC

I rather like the (fake) Kazakhstani National Anthem (link).

Kazakhstan greatest country in the world.
All other countries are run by little girls.
Kazakhstan number one exporter of potassium.
Other countries have inferior potassium.

Kazakhstan home of Tinshein swimming pool.
It’s length thirty meter and width six meter.
Filtration system a marvel to behold.
It remove 80 percent of human solid waste.

Kazakhstan, Kazakhstan you very nice place.
From Plains of Tarashek to Norther fence of Jewtown.
Kazakhstan friend of all except Uzbekistan.
They very nosey people with bone in their brain.

Kazakhstan industry best in the world.
We incented toffee and trouser belt.
Kazakhstan’s prostitutes cleanest in the region.
Except of course Turkmenistan’s

Kazakhstan, Kazakhstan you very nice place.
From Plains of Tarashek to Norther fence of Jewtown.
Come grasp the might phenis of our leader.
From junction with the testes to tip of its face!


Hey, the real anthem ain't bad either. It's practically an aria.

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Re: National Anthem of the USSR

Postby mrcheesypants » Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:42 pm UTC

jtniehof wrote:
Of Negligible Mass wrote:I quite like "God save the Queen". Although I don't believe in God. Or the monarchy really, for that matter. But there's something so damned BRITISH about it...

I forget...what American nationalist song is set to the same tune? I always screw up and start singing "God Save the Queen" instead.


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Re: National Anthem of the USSR

Postby bigglesworth » Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:43 pm UTC

Dobblesworth wrote:God Save the Queen I love. It embodies that dour resilience of the British people, and as I have nothing against God or the British Monarchy, I have no qualms with singing it. My only problem with it, is the fact that our affair has about 6 lines and lasts less than a minute. Others like the Italian have 1 minute of instrumental section before people start singing. We seriously need to use the optional 6th/8th verse, added at the time of the Jacobite rebellion which explicitly states "God grant thine strength to valourous Lord Such-and-such, headed north to smite the Scottish rebels!"
Others say we need to switch the anthem to Rule Britannia, Land of Hope & Glory or Jerusalem, something a bit more pro-British rather than pro-whoever's in charge, but I'm fine with what we have.


Rule Britannia is weak and useless without the Two-Power Standard. Jerusalem is pretty good though, as is Land of Hope and Glory.

But God Save the Queen is the oldest national anthem in the world. It therefore carries a certain gravitas, since it is older than most of the countries we could play sport with...
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Postby Mercat » Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:49 pm UTC

jtniehof wrote:I forget...what American nationalist song is set to the same tune? I always screw up and start singing "God Save the Queen" instead.


My Country 'Tis of Thee.

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Postby PatrickRsGhost » Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:44 pm UTC

Mercat wrote:
jtniehof wrote:I forget...what American nationalist song is set to the same tune? I always screw up and start singing "God Save the Queen" instead.


My Country 'Tis of Thee.

I think. My brain's not working right now.


You're right, as are others who guessed it. The actual title of the song is "America", but it's more commonly known as "My Country 'Tis of Thee".

Sing-Along and you'll see.
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Re: National Anthem of the USSR

Postby Durinthal » Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:27 pm UTC

I was confused as to why no one was calling it "America", but then I've seen the title in band music often enough to remember it so I guess I'm unusual.

I also think that the Hymn to Red October would be an awesome anthem. Maybe not the best to sing along to, though.

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Postby PatrickRsGhost » Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:36 pm UTC

Durinthal wrote:I was confused as to why no one was calling it "America", but then I've seen the title in band music often enough to remember it so I guess I'm unusual.


Nobody calls it "America" because the title is nowhere in the song lyrics. Everyone knows the first line, so that's what they've come to call it. You say "we're going to sing 'America'" or "we will be playing 'America' next", people look at you like you mentioned the song title of some long-forgotten band or artist. But, if you say the unofficial title "My Country 'Tis of Thee," people will say "oh, yeah...that song." Then they'll begin setting their minds to the music.

BTW, there is at least one song called "America" that's fairly well-known. It's by Simon and Garfunkel. You may have heard it in this movie.
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Re: National Anthem of the USSR

Postby Durinthal » Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:58 pm UTC

I just realized it that I also remembered it from Ives' Variations on America. It's pretty amusing, probably moreso if you're a musician.

And for other songs with the same title, I prefer the one in West Side Story.

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Re: National Anthem of the USSR

Postby Rogue5_jm » Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:51 pm UTC

One reason I love playing the Russians on CoD4, when you win you get treated to a short clip of the anthem. It sounds so much more awesome than the others.

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Re: National Anthem of the USSR

Postby athelas » Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:18 pm UTC

It's a pretty nice tune, that's for sure. As for the words, pretty much all national anthems have the same words: Our country's really awesome, it was built by our really awesome forefathers, it's totally cooler than all those other countries, we're so friggin awesome!

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Postby Turambar » Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:56 am UTC

I overlooked one national anthem because it's not official: Scotland the Brave. Anyone who has never heard that played by a large pipe and drum band has never lived.
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Re: National Anthem of the USSR

Postby Dr. Canadian Ninja » Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:32 am UTC

When I set my playlist to play everything randomly, no matter how awake I am, no matter how alert I am, that first note never fails to make me jump. I can't say that about any other national anthem.
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Postby JayDee » Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:16 am UTC

Nebuduck wrote:I mean, why couldn't we have "Rule Brittania" as the anthem or something - something with a bit of oomph.
I love that song, but mainly, I think, because of Richard Garriott...
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Re: National Anthem of the USSR

Postby Briareos » Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:41 am UTC

I've gotta go with the PRC's "March of the Volunteers." Any song that demands "Arise, ye who would not be slaves! From our flesh and blood, let us build a new Great Wall!" is, well, stirring. To me.
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Re: National Anthem of the USSR

Postby ZLVT » Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:43 am UTC

Hungary has 3 songs. The anthem, the national song (written in 1848 as a revolutionary hymn) and the phrasing (orignally "a szózat" but I don't know quite how to translate that)

The anthem is like:
God bless the Hungerian [man/ppl]
With kind heart and copiously
Extend unto him a protective hand
If he struggles with his enemies
He who is torn since ages past by ill fate
Bless with long life
This nation* has already payed penance for its past and future *[nép, same as german Volk and latin Gens]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himnusz

The national song however is more like (with a faster tempo too):
On your feet Hungarian,
Your nation calls
The time is here
Now or never
Should we be slaves or free
This is the question, reply!
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The Szózat is:
To your Homeland without fail
be loyal oh Hungarian
It is your [wise man/teacher] and later your grave
Which cures and will cover you
In the great world beyond here
There is no place for you
Whether fate's hand blesses or curses you
Here you must live and die
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so yet another example of the other songs being more vigourous than the anthem itself
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Re: National Anthem of the USSR

Postby Jack Saladin » Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:05 am UTC

Any song that demands "Arise, ye who would not be slaves! From our flesh and blood, let us build a new Great Wall!" is, well, ironic.

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Re: National Anthem of the USSR

Postby steewi » Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:03 am UTC

The Danish anthem has to count in the 'cool lyrics' stakes. It has Vikings and blood!


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