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Re: Questions For The World

Postby Adacore » Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:33 pm UTC

Korea is strongly on the 'public examination' end of the spectrum. My girlfriend is taking the public teacher exam next week - each year there are N jobs available, and if she gets one of the top N scores, then she's basically guaranteed a teaching position at a public school for life. I believe most other public sector positions are similar.

Korea is unusual in that private sector positions are also fairly directly tied to exam results, in that the top companies - huge conglomerates like LG, Samsung, Hyundai - which are by far the best jobs, basically only hire from the top universities, and the top universities will with very few exceptions simply take the top scorers from the High School CSAT. Your CSAT score is a huge deal. It basically determines the rest of your life. It's an 8-hour exam on a single day, and for that one day the entire country revolves around making sure every high schooler gets the best chance at the exam - flights are diverted away from schools, police are on standby to help rush students to the exam if they're running late, a lot of companies change their working hours for the day to reduce congestion for students travelling to their tests, &c.

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Re: Questions For The World

Postby ahammel » Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:24 am UTC

NieXS wrote:I have a question regarding public sector employment.

How are public servants hired in your country? Do they go through the standard private-sector style resumé submission followed by interviews?
I've sent in a CV and did some interviews here in Canada, as with a private sector job, only slower and with more red tape. I've never heard of any jobs which are filled by public examination, but I suppose there might be some I don't know about.
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Re: Questions For The World

Postby addams » Thu Nov 27, 2014 4:24 am UTC

Adacore wrote:Korea is strongly on the 'public examination' end of the spectrum. My girlfriend is taking the public teacher exam next week - each year there are N jobs available, and if she gets one of the top N scores, then she's basically guaranteed a teaching position at a public school for life. I believe most other public sector positions are similar.

Korea is unusual in that private sector positions are also fairly directly tied to exam results, in that the top companies - huge conglomerates like LG, Samsung, Hyundai - which are by far the best jobs, basically only hire from the top universities, and the top universities will with very few exceptions simply take the top scorers from the High School CSAT. Your CSAT score is a huge deal. It basically determines the rest of your life. It's an 8-hour exam on a single day, and for that one day the entire country revolves around making sure every high schooler gets the best chance at the exam - flights are diverted away from schools, police are on standby to help rush students to the exam if they're running late, a lot of companies change their working hours for the day to reduce congestion for students travelling to their tests, &c.

That's amazing, to me.
How awful to have ones entire life based on their performance on One Day.

Jeeze. Our Exams lasted at least three days.
That was After we had been invested in.

How wonderful.
An entire nation helps shoulder the burden.
For one very difficult day, The World recognizes and helps the hard working student.

The public good will is sweet to imagine.
We don't have that.
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Re: Questions For The World

Postby strake » Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:21 pm UTC

NieXS wrote:I have a question regarding public sector employment.

How are public servants hired in your country? Do they go through the standard private-sector style resumé submission followed by interviews?

Here in Brazil, the government and state-run companies hire through public examinations; they generally consist of multiple-choice tests, with additional tests for things like physical fitness and hearing for certain jobs, like police officers.


Pfhorrest wrote:In America


Brazil is in America.

ahammel wrote:I've sent in a CV and did some interviews here in Canada, as with a private sector job, only slower and with more red tape.


Too, in some cases at least the Canadian public service has requirements to first hire internally if possible.

ConMan wrote:The levels are mostly standard (starting with the APS1-6, then the EL1-2, and going up from there) and there's a published list of selection criteria for each level across the service, although the pay varies between agencies.


In Canada we also have such levels, but here we have classifications, each with a 2-letter code, so a position is composed of a classification and a level, e.g. BI-4 means biologist level 4.
Mind, the classifications are not reliable — I once knew a GT doing CS work...
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Re: Questions For The World

Postby Quercus » Thu Nov 27, 2014 2:29 pm UTC

Adacore wrote:Korea is strongly on the 'public examination' end of the spectrum. My girlfriend is taking the public teacher exam next week - each year there are N jobs available, and if she gets one of the top N scores, then she's basically guaranteed a teaching position at a public school for life. I believe most other public sector positions are similar.

Korea is unusual in that private sector positions are also fairly directly tied to exam results, in that the top companies - huge conglomerates like LG, Samsung, Hyundai - which are by far the best jobs, basically only hire from the top universities, and the top universities will with very few exceptions simply take the top scorers from the High School CSAT. Your CSAT score is a huge deal. It basically determines the rest of your life. It's an 8-hour exam on a single day, and for that one day the entire country revolves around making sure every high schooler gets the best chance at the exam - flights are diverted away from schools, police are on standby to help rush students to the exam if they're running late, a lot of companies change their working hours for the day to reduce congestion for students travelling to their tests, &c.


An eight hour exam, sheesh, I once had six hours of exams in one day at uni (three hours of organic chemistry and three hours of maths) and I was damn near non-functional after that.

Also, what happens if you are ill on that day?

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Re: Questions For The World

Postby ahammel » Thu Nov 27, 2014 3:33 pm UTC

strake wrote:
Pfhorrest wrote:In America


Brazil is in America.
In the United States and Canada, the word "America" by itself almost never refers to the pair of continents. The sole exception, in my experience, is would-be clever clever people objecting to the entirely idiomatic use of "America" to mean "the United States thereof".

ahammel wrote:I've sent in a CV and did some interviews here in Canada, as with a private sector job, only slower and with more red tape.


Too, in some cases at least the Canadian public service has requirements to first hire internally if possible.
Sure, but so do many private companies.
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Re: Questions For The World

Postby addams » Thu Nov 27, 2014 3:34 pm UTC

Quercus wrote:An eight hour exam, sheesh, I once had six hours of exams in one day at uni (three hours of organic chemistry and three hours of maths) and I was damn near non-functional after that.

Also, what happens if you are ill on that day?

From a distance, through a screen...
Let's make a Guess!

First we must get a Handle on the Philosphy.
We are taking One Day.
On this day, Our Best and Brightest will be Identified.

Every one gets a Score.
For the rest of our Natural Lives,
That Score will be Public Knowledge.

You can wear That Score inside your Shirt or Outside your Shirt.
That score is Important to you and it is Important to us.


Today We Identify Tomorrow's Leaders.
Some people will Lead our most Powerful Institutions.
Some people will Lead our Second Graders.

We Owe it to The Future.
We Must Send them The Best.


Keeping the Philosphy in Mind...
If you are Sick, That Day;
You Test Next Year.

Yey! You get another year to prepare!
Of course, I'd think there would be some Social Pressure to Not be Sick.

Keeping the Philosophy in Mind....
We don't want no Sickly People taking the darned test AnyWay.
We have loads of fairly healthy folk that are willing to put themselves though it,
To save themselves from a LifeTime of Despair.

Man Up!
Test Day is Tomorrow!

It could be worse.
It could be like Real Life.
That 8 hour Test Day could be a fucking Pop Quiz!
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Re: Questions For The World

Postby Neil_Boekend » Thu Nov 27, 2014 3:43 pm UTC

Quercus wrote:Also, what happens if you are ill on that day?

I would certainly be ill that day, from the pressure. The strain would have me incapable of walking for over a week afterwards.

I don't think that is a good way to decide someone's complete future.
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Re: Questions For The World

Postby Diadem » Thu Nov 27, 2014 5:25 pm UTC

ahammel wrote:
strake wrote:
Pfhorrest wrote:In America


Brazil is in America.
In the United States and Canada, the word "America" by itself almost never refers to the pair of continents. The sole exception, in my experience, is would-be clever clever people objecting to the entirely idiomatic use of "America" to mean "the United States thereof".

How a word is used in the United States and / or Canada is not really relevant when you are replying to someone from Brazil, is it?

I don't know how the word is used in Brazil. Maybe it mostly or exclusively refers to the USA there as well. That's actually a good question to ask in this thread: In your country, is "America" mostly used for the USA, or the continent?

In The Netherlands, I'd say it can refer to either. The former is probably more common, because the latter is usually preceded by a "North-" or "South-". There aren't many contexts where people talk about the entire continent as a single entity.
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Re: Questions For The World

Postby addams » Thu Nov 27, 2014 5:49 pm UTC

Neil_Boekend wrote:
Quercus wrote:Also, what happens if you are ill on that day?

I would certainly be ill that day, from the pressure. The strain would have me incapable of walking for over a week afterwards.

I don't think that is a good way to decide someone's complete future.

I understand This perspective.
But...I think people can be prepared for it.

It is possible to Train for It.
I bet there are some Weird moments, after.

When I test, I will study and work until and for several days after.
Then I get sick or something.

We can be Trained to be Procrastinators.
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It's a mechanism people with PTS develop.
It's a protective mechanism.

If a person learns it while supported both physically and emotionally.
Then they can perform right along with people with PTS.

Are their lives less interesting because they did not get The Real Life Experience?
I don't think so. They get the Chemical Ride, just, like solders going into Battle.

Each one is an individual.
They, just, test on the same day.
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Re: Questions For The World

Postby eSOANEM » Thu Nov 27, 2014 6:47 pm UTC

UK: America is usually used to refer to the US with the continent(s) described as "North America", "South America" or "the Americas".
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Re: Questions For The World

Postby Pfhorrest » Thu Nov 27, 2014 7:29 pm UTC

To my knowledge, in English generally, "America" refers to the country with that in its name, and there are considered to be two continents with that in their names, a North and a South. In Spanish and Portuguese, "America" refers to a single continent that encompasses both of the continents as English considers them, and there is incidentally also a country with that in the name, the United States.
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Re: Questions For The World

Postby strake » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:11 pm UTC

Diadem wrote:There aren't many contexts where people talk about the entire continent as a single entity.


Perhaps, but some:

• American Cordillera
• Pan-American Highway
• Jus soli, mostly American

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Re: Questions For The World

Postby addams » Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:17 pm UTC

I think calling the US, America is common.

People are easy to confuse.
Is being a US citizen a good thing or a bad thing?

Some guy is trying to cross a border somewhere,
oh. You are an American? The border guard says.
Not That kind of an American! He replies.

Then Abbot and Costello laugh while watching from their cloud.
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Re: Questions For The World

Postby Adacore » Fri Nov 28, 2014 1:23 am UTC

Quercus wrote:An eight hour exam, sheesh, I once had six hours of exams in one day at uni (three hours of organic chemistry and three hours of maths) and I was damn near non-functional after that.

Also, what happens if you are ill on that day?

If you're ill, you take the exam. No delays, no excuses, and generally no special consideration is given, unlike in the UK. The only other option is retaking it the following year (which anyone is allowed to do).

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Re: Questions For The World

Postby addams » Fri Nov 28, 2014 1:30 am UTC

Adacore wrote:
Quercus wrote:An eight hour exam, sheesh, I once had six hours of exams in one day at uni (three hours of organic chemistry and three hours of maths) and I was damn near non-functional after that.

Also, what happens if you are ill on that day?

If you're ill, you take the exam. No delays, no excuses, and generally no special consideration is given, unlike in the UK. The only other option is retaking it the following year (which anyone is allowed to do).

Why does Everyone not opt for Next Year?
I know it's a silly question.

Still.
In my imaginary place called Korea people are told,
"Take The Test by the time you are 30 or face consequences."

What consequences?
Are you going to tell their children?
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Postby Grop » Fri Nov 28, 2014 7:26 am UTC

I would suppose there is some social pressure, especially from parents.

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Re: Questions For The World

Postby addams » Fri Nov 28, 2014 7:29 am UTC

Grop wrote:I would suppose there is some social pressure, especially from parents.

Yes.
I expect you are correct.

Do you know anything about US Americans?
I am afraid that system would not work here.
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Re: Questions For The World

Postby Grop » Fri Nov 28, 2014 9:59 am UTC

That only works because two conditions are met:
- only a few large companies provide all the good jobs.
- these few companies have agreed on something.

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Postby Quercus » Fri Nov 28, 2014 4:03 pm UTC

Adacore wrote:
Quercus wrote:An eight hour exam, sheesh, I once had six hours of exams in one day at uni (three hours of organic chemistry and three hours of maths) and I was damn near non-functional after that.

Also, what happens if you are ill on that day?

If you're ill, you take the exam. No delays, no excuses, and generally no special consideration is given, unlike in the UK. The only other option is retaking it the following year (which anyone is allowed to do).


Ah, okay, that's the difference - the UK has special consideration for illness, but on the other hand it's not always possible to retake exams the next year. I know for my university finals that no retakes were allowed at all, and if you couldn't sit the exams you got a certificate stating that you "deserved honours" i.e. in the opinion of your professors you would have graduated with honours (which means either a 1st or 2nd class degree) if you had been able to take the exam.

My director of studies once told me that he had advised someone once that they were better off not showing up and getting a "deserved honours" degree than showing up in the state they were in (I think it was a full blown migraine or something) and probably failing.

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Re: Questions For The World

Postby addams » Fri Nov 28, 2014 11:08 pm UTC

Grop wrote:That only works because two conditions are met:
- only a few large companies provide all the good jobs.
- these few companies have agreed on something.

Nah. I don't buy it.
It is Not just a few companies.

It's the Government, Companies and The Mass Media.
The people go along to get along.

If the Media and all government agencies suddenly decided The TEST IS STUPID.
The attendance rates and the scores would drop like the proverbial Rock.
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Re: Questions For The World

Postby Angua » Sun Dec 14, 2014 9:58 pm UTC

Anyone know how to change this pdf into a format where I can copy all the text? Would be useful to use as a framework for revising.

http://www.rcpch.ac.uk/sites/default/files/page/Theory%20and%20Science%20Syllabus.pdf
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Postby Quercus » Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:43 pm UTC

Angua wrote:Anyone know how to change this pdf into a format where I can copy all the text? Would be useful to use as a framework for revising.

http://www.rcpch.ac.uk/sites/default/files/page/Theory%20and%20Science%20Syllabus.pdf


Someone's saved the text as images for some reason, so you need to OCR* it - there are almost certainly free (and probably even open source) ways to do this, but given that I have a copy of Adobe acrobat pro, I ran it quickly with that - I've sent you the link in a PM.

* optical character recognition

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Postby Angua » Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:47 pm UTC

THank you!!!! I'd tried two OCR programs that didn't work very well, so was wondering if that wasn't the right route to go down and it was for something else.
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Postby Quercus » Sun Dec 14, 2014 11:09 pm UTC

Angua wrote:THank you!!!! I'd tried two OCR programs that didn't work very well, so was wondering if that wasn't the right route to go down and it was for something else.


Ah, yeh, lots of OCR programs are, well, pretty crappy (I suspect that there are still active patents in the area so it's difficult for free software to do it well).

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Re: Questions For The World

Postby Sprocket » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:38 pm UTC

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Re: Questions For The World

Postby SurgicalSteel » Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:02 am UTC

I'm not sure if you're in the United States, but if you are this might help:
https://www.healthcare.gov/marketplace-deadlines/2015/
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Postby bluebambue » Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:19 am UTC

Open enrollment dates are usually pretty set and there's not a provision for forgetting/not reading materials. If you've had a qualifying event you may be able to still enroll.

http://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/health/2 ... nt-period/
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Re: Questions For The World

Postby addams » Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:33 am UTC

SurgicalSteel wrote:I'm not sure if you're in the United States, but if you are this might help:
https://www.healthcare.gov/marketplace-deadlines/2015/

How did the US getting better National Health Care get to be such a NightMare?
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Re: Questions For The World

Postby Djehutynakht » Mon Feb 02, 2015 11:38 am UTC

Question:

I'm trying to figure out, if all of Mars' ice melted, exactly how big would the oceans be, and where would they be (a map would be wonderful, but any answer will do since finding a map may prove impossible)?

I know What If did a Drain the Oceans II, but that was dumping Earth water on Mars. I'm wondering, if Mars got warmer, and it's ice melted, how much ocean, and where?

I'd assume 'where' would mostly be the Northern Basin, but I know Mars also has a southern ice cap. I don't know what would happen there. I'd also expect crater lakes.

Figured this would be a good place to ask.

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Postby Quercus » Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:06 pm UTC

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My hair is about 60mm long (varies from ~40-70mm between cuts). I'm looking for a fairly natural/neutral look (nothing spiky, shiny or wet looking), but swept up and to the right, like in this picture from the face thread. I currently use American Crew defining paste, which works well for about an hour, but then reverts to "bedraggled" instead of "swept back". Complications are that my hair is very, very thick, so that anything designed to add volume has the potential to look like I've been hit with a Van de Graff generator, and it tends to the greasy rather than dry side, so anything designed for dry hair just looks too slick and oily.

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Postby Angua » Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:12 pm UTC

I don't know much about hair, but I just had a hair cut on Friday and she thinned it! It feels a lot lighter now and not as poofy. (I too, have very thick and poofy hair - it tends to go triangle shaped).
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Re: Questions For The World

Postby Quercus » Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:36 pm UTC

Angua wrote:I don't know much about hair, but I just had a hair cut on Friday and she thinned it! It feels a lot lighter now and not as poofy. (I too, have very thick and poofy hair - it tends to go triangle shaped).


I often get mine thinned too, and I think it does help with styling - but at the length of mine it grows back in significantly before I get it cut again. Maybe I just need to get my hair cut more often. My hair is unfortunately also ridiculously fast-growing, so that option gets expensive quickly. The plus side of fast-growing hair is that I can get back to a full beard in about a week at the length I have it, so I can reshape my beard every couple of weeks if I want to.

I can relate to the triangle-hair. I inherited my thick hair from my mum, and hers has a tendency to do that too.

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Re: Questions For The World

Postby bluebambue » Thu Feb 05, 2015 6:23 am UTC

Have you tried American Crew defining paste followed by hairspray?

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Re: Questions For The World

Postby Quercus » Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:54 am UTC

bluebambue wrote:Have you tried American Crew defining paste followed by hairspray?


Ooh, no - I didn't even know you could combine stuff like that, thanks for the tip! [puts hairspray on shopping list]

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Re: Questions For The World

Postby Shro » Thu Feb 05, 2015 3:18 pm UTC

You can also try Aveda's Pure-formance Grooming Clay. It's got a pretty strong hold, low shine and it smells Amahzing.
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Postby Quercus » Thu Feb 05, 2015 3:54 pm UTC

Shro wrote:You can also try Aveda's Pure-formance Grooming Clay. It's got a pretty strong hold, low shine and it smells Amahzing.


Citrusy/spicy scent, yay! The scent of the American Crew stuff clashes horribly with my beard oil, so this should be much better from that perspective. I'm going to buy hairspray and a hair-dryer now (one thing I realised is that everything works much better on dry rather than damp hair), then switch to the grooming clay (with or without hairspray) once my pot of defining paste runs out.

Thanks everyone.

Also, I love it when negative reviews actually tell you a product does exactly what you want:

a two star Amazon review wrote: Put in hair creates no texture just makes hair look puffy and too natural looking for me

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Re: Questions For The World

Postby Shro » Thu Feb 05, 2015 4:13 pm UTC

Quercus wrote:
Shro wrote:You can also try Aveda's Pure-formance Grooming Clay. It's got a pretty strong hold, low shine and it smells Amahzing.


(one thing I realised is that everything works much better on dry rather than damp hair)

Because you have thick hair, it is probably wet for awhile before it gets damp. Styling hair when dry does not work very well either. You want to work with it while it is damp, not wet or dry.
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Re: Questions For The World

Postby Quercus » Thu Feb 05, 2015 4:21 pm UTC

Shro wrote:
Quercus wrote:
Shro wrote:You can also try Aveda's Pure-formance Grooming Clay. It's got a pretty strong hold, low shine and it smells Amahzing.


(one thing I realised is that everything works much better on dry rather than damp hair)

Because you have thick hair, it is probably wet for awhile before it gets damp. Styling hair when dry does not work very well either. You want to work with it while it is damp, not wet or dry.


Okay, interesting, where is the wet/damp transition point for hair? I've been calling my hair damp in its "after being rubbed with a towel" state, but I'm getting the feeling that might still be "wet" - is damp "almost dry but not quite"? If so, I'm not managing to get it that far with a towel.

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Re: Questions For The World

Postby Shro » Thu Feb 05, 2015 4:48 pm UTC

Quercus wrote:Okay, interesting, where is the wet/damp transition point for hair? I've been calling my hair damp in its "after being rubbed with a towel" state, but I'm getting the feeling that might still be "wet" - is damp "almost dry but not quite"? If so, I'm not managing to get it that far with a towel.

This is very hard to know without knowing the texture of your hair. Finer hair can become almost dry after being rubbed with a towel, while thick hair can remain so for a long time. If I go to bed with wet hair, my underside of my hair can still occasionally remain damp when I wake up. It might be easier to think about it in the other direction... damp hair is dry hair after squirted a few time with some water.
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