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Postby Sizik » Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:44 pm UTC

poxic wrote:Also, fuck eran's avatar for reminding me of how awful those things sound.

Not eran personally. eran can remain unfucked.


You just gotta listen to them with a skilled performer and not-shit audio quality.
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Postby SecondTalon » Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:57 pm UTC

Goddamn it, if it's an instrument, play it like an instrument and not a shitty replacement for the vocals.
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Postby Flumble » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:46 pm UTC

You mean for example his Totoro cover?

Though Nelson's most amusing performances are naturally vocal replacements: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RobpgKbwFa8
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Postby Liri » Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:19 am UTC

There's a certain amount of freedom involved in cycling: you're self-propelled and decide exactly where to go. If you see something that catches your eye to the left, you can veer off there, which isn't so easy in a car, and you can't cover as much ground walking.

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Postby ConMan » Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:53 am UTC

Sometimes it's even appropriate. (Original for reference.)
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Re: Questions For The World

Postby poxic » Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:02 am UTC

I could be doing chores. Saving orphans. Solving world wev. Instead I'm watching clever clips of instruments that I hate. (Though I'd play with one for a while if it were lying around, naturally. I'd jam with it for one song, then throw it far away while it was on fire.)
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I didn't even know those things existed and now I hate them with a fiery passion.
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Liri wrote:
I like the cute ones


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Postby eran_rathan » Tue Apr 25, 2017 6:57 pm UTC

I kinda love that this thread has devolved into a love/hate fest of the otamatone. I'd never heard of these things until a month ago.
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Postby Liri » Tue Apr 25, 2017 9:02 pm UTC

eran_rathan wrote:I kinda love that this thread has devolved into a love/hate fest of the otamatone. I'd never heard of these things until a month ago.

I just realized what your profile picture is now.
There's a certain amount of freedom involved in cycling: you're self-propelled and decide exactly where to go. If you see something that catches your eye to the left, you can veer off there, which isn't so easy in a car, and you can't cover as much ground walking.

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Re: Questions For The World

Postby PAstrychef » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:15 pm UTC

Here’s my question-what defines a hero?
I was reading about a guy trying to cross the Antarctic continent alone, on foot, no sail or other device, no pre-laid food caches and so on. He ends up being airlifted to Chile, where he died. He was referred to as a hero on several occasions in the article. Personally, I do not think this type of thing is at all heroic. Shackleton was a hero because he rowed across the Antarctic Ocean in a 14 foot boat and landed in the right place by dead reckoning, in order to save the lives of everyone who had sailed on the Endurance.
I just can’t see pitting oneself against nature as heroic in and of itself. Nature does not care, is not aware in any way of what you are attempting. Dying in a remote, barely accessible place is-what?
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Postby Zohar » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:19 pm UTC

Stupid, I guess? I feel the similarly with Into the Wild. I could not get through that movie because it just infuriated me how dumb and unthinking that person is while being viewed by others as noble in some way.
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Postby ucim » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:36 pm UTC

PAstrychef wrote:Here’s my question-what defines a hero?
You answered your own question:
PAstrychef wrote:Shackleton was a hero because he rowed across the Antarctic Ocean in a 14 foot boat and landed in the right place by dead reckoning, in order to save the lives of everyone who had sailed on the Endurance.


Other people misusing the word for their own personal gratification doesn't change this.

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Re: Questions For The World

Postby PAstrychef » Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:10 pm UTC

ucim wrote:
PAstrychef wrote:Here’s my question-what defines a hero?
You answered your own question:
PAstrychef wrote:Shackleton was a hero because he rowed across the Antarctic Ocean in a 14 foot boat and landed in the right place by dead reckoning, in order to save the lives of everyone who had sailed on the Endurance.


Other people misusing the word for their own personal gratification doesn't change this.

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I get that I don’t think this guy was a hero. But what do you other people think?
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Re: Questions For The World

Postby ucim » Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:19 pm UTC

PAstrychef wrote:I get that I don’t think this guy was a hero. But what do you other people think?
Well, I'm other people and I agree with you. :) To be a hero requires that risk be (successfully) taken selflessly, for a greater good.

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Postby Quercus » Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:44 pm UTC

PAstrychef wrote:I just can’t see pitting oneself against nature as heroic in and of itself. Nature does not care, is not aware in any way of what you are attempting. Dying in a remote, barely accessible place is-what?


Definitely not heroic in any way IMO, but also not pointless. I'm a lover of outdoor sports, some of which fall into fairly high risk categories - climbing, sailing, kayaking. The peace I gain from being in wild nature, connecting with the world and challenging myself in ways that require focus and commitment has been life-altering; perhaps even life-saving in its effects on my mental wellbeing. In this case the potential advantages to the individual are probably outweighed by the risk to potential rescuers (I tend to feel the same about Everest accents - though that has more to do with the utter trashing of the mountain that occurs from having so many climb it), but in the general case I find such journeys to be, while not heroic, eminently understandable.

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Postby Zohar » Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:46 pm UTC

I don't think PAstry is saying this is a bad thing to do (although if you're doing it without proper preparation and training for the risk you're taking, it's pretty bad). Just that looking at people who take great risks without need shouldn't be seen as heroes.
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Re: Questions For The World

Postby ucim » Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:50 pm UTC

Yeah, the key to heroism isn't risk, it's selflessness.

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Postby Quercus » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:20 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:I don't think PAstry is saying this is a bad thing to do

I felt PAstry was inplying not understanding the point of doing such things in general, and that's what I was addressing. Perhaps I read too much into that.

(although if you're doing it without proper preparation and training for the risk you're taking, it's pretty bad).

Totally - it's something I think about a lot around doing some of the things I do. Taking more risk than necessary to achieve the benefits one is getting from such things is IMO fundamentally disrespectful to both your loved ones and to the people who are going to have to haul your ass out if things go wrong.

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Postby eSOANEM » Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:54 pm UTC

ucim wrote:
Yeah, the key to heroism isn't risk, it's selflessness.


I'd definitely second this (it's definitely necessary although probably not sufficient). The guy who tried to cross the antarctic alone without caches doesn't satisfy this, but Schackleton does.
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Postby Zohar » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:05 pm UTC

In Hebrew we use the same word used for a chicken's comb.
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Zohar wrote:In Hebrew we use the same word used for a chicken's comb.


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Postby New User » Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:42 am UTC

I've heard that chocolate can be deadly to dogs. Or at least, some specific chemical whose name I always forget is in chocolate and is harmless to humans, but is poisonous to dogs. However, I have never seen a dog suffer ill effects from eating chocolate, and I also have never heard of anyone else's dog being harmed or killed from eating chocolate. My mother, for example, has a quite small dog, which only weighs eight or nine pounds, and one day she carelessly left her chocolate candies where the dog could reach them. She awoke to find only the wrappers remaining. The dog had eaten the chocolates, but he never seemed ill. A friend of mine told me that he used to feed his dog chocolate all the time, and his dog remains healthy at 14 years old. So my question is, has anyone ever actually experienced a dog who has become ill or suffered any ailments from eating chocolate? Is this just a myth?

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New User wrote:I've heard that chocolate can be deadly to dogs. Or at least, some specific chemical whose name I always forget is in chocolate and is harmless to humans, but is poisonous to dogs. However, I have never seen a dog suffer ill effects from eating chocolate, and I also have never heard of anyone else's dog being harmed or killed from eating chocolate. My mother, for example, has a quite small dog, which only weighs eight or nine pounds, and one day she carelessly left her chocolate candies where the dog could reach them. She awoke to find only the wrappers remaining. The dog had eaten the chocolates, but he never seemed ill. A friend of mine told me that he used to feed his dog chocolate all the time, and his dog remains healthy at 14 years old. So my question is, has anyone ever actually experienced a dog who has become ill or suffered any ailments from eating chocolate? Is this just a myth?


Not a myth, but as always the dose makes the poison. Theobromine is about five times as toxic to dogs and cats as it is to humans, but even so it isn't a hugely potent toxin. If the dog is lucky they will have eaten a small enough amount (proportional to bodyweight) and suffer no ill effects. Also dark chocolate has a higher theobromine concentration than milk or white. If they are unlucky they could die. Needless to say, if your dog (or cat) eats chocolate, consult a vet.

Article where I got most of the specifics from: https://www.wired.com/2013/02/the-poiso ... chocolate/

From the RSPCA (reputable animal charity in the UK):

Chocolate - Never give chocolate to your pet
Chocolate poisoning is the most commonly reported type of dog poisoning reported to the Veterinary Poisons Information Service (VPIS). Chocolate contains the stimulant theobromine. Dark chocolate, cocoa mulch and cocoa contain high levels of theobromine.

Symptoms include vomiting, diarrhoea, dehydration, hyperactivity, high temperature and blood pressure, abnormal heart rhythm and tremors.


Edit: Also grapes and grape products apparently, which I didn't know:

Grapes, raisins, sultanas, currants
Any quantity of these can be toxic. Cooking or baking doesn’t reduce the risk of poisoning.

Poisoning may initially result in vomiting and diarrhoea and subsequently in kidney failure (which may occur a few days after the initial effects).

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Postby SecondTalon » Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:04 pm UTC

Yeah, it’s harmful to humans. 1000 mg of chocolate per 1kg of weight.

In dogs it’s 300 mg per kg.

And obviously, dark chocolate with higher cocao percentages has more whatever chemical, milk chocolate less, white chocolate isn’t really chocolate but if it’s got the chemical it’s probably even less than milk.

So for giant fuckoff Great Danes or similar, they could scarf a few milk chocolate bars and not even notice.

But a 90% dark chocolate bar will make a chihuahua sick as fuck.
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Postby New User » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:26 pm UTC

This is what I've heard. But I've never heard of anyone whose dog actually got sick or died from eating chocolate, even though I've talked to people who have told me their dog has eaten or been fed chocolate. It was probably milk chocolate, since that's the most common kind where I live, so maybe the theobromine content was so low that it caused no harm in every occasion I've been familiar with. Then again, it's possible that a dog could have minor ailments and the owner would be unaware. It's not like a dog can tell you it has a stomach ache; the owner would have to be very observant and also know their dog's behavior very well.

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Postby SecondTalon » Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:12 pm UTC

Lots of people also say “Oh, he ate some but didn’t have any problems. The next day he puked up something he ate in the backyard”

That’s chocolate poisonin making the dog puke.

Humans get over chocolate poisoning in less than 24 hours.

Dogs suffer it for up to 72 hours.


My dog ate a Christmas present that was chocolate and probably an hour later puked up what had to be everything he’d eaten in his entire life.

So, there, you’ve met someone who had a dog eat chocolate, suffer ill effects, and isn’t an idiot who doesn’t know why his dog was still a semi-lethargic lump two days later.
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Postby pogrmman » Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:33 pm UTC

SecondTalon wrote:Yeah, it’s harmful to humans.
1000 mg of chocolate per 1kg of weight.


Surely that’s just the level theobromine is toxic at, and not chocolate. I’ve definately eaten more dark chocolate than that number in one sitting before. I certainly didn’t get sick from it.

The average American weights 79kg (for men, it’s 86, and women 72) (side note — that’s way higher than I though it was — that means I’m 4” taller and 14kg lighter than the average American man). If chocolate is toxic at 1000 mg/kg, then only 80g of it should be toxic for the average American. While that’s a fair amount of chocolate, I can’t believe that it’s toxic in such low amounts (even for super dark chocolate). The recommended serving size is, what, 20g?

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Postby addams » Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:49 pm UTC

Lucy ate enough Pot Brownies for Four adult Humans.
Lucy was a sick Dog. Poor, Stupid thing.

It was no worse than when she ate over ten pound of raw beef.
No...The beef was worse. She got 'the shits' in the car.

I loved that Dog.
She was an ass.

I thought she liked children.
When she saw them, her tail would wag and she would get excited to go toward them.

She did not like children.
She knew how to mug them.

She ran up to the child, hit it with her nose.
The child dropped its food, Lucy ate the food.

Repeat.
Until all the children were crying.

I put her on a No Child diet.
I still miss that stupid Dog.
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Postby suffer-cait » Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:50 pm UTC

I definitely red somewhere on reddit yesterday about a guy whose dad gave the puppy chocolate, and the kid got to watch it slowly die in his arms the next day as mom didn't think it was sick enough to bring to the vet the day before.
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Postby Sableagle » Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:18 am UTC

A hero is someone who knowingly does something incredibly stupid, believing that the risk and probable cost are justified by the chance and possible achievement for a worthy cause.

On the night of 10 January 1945, on the Island of Ist in the Adriatic (off the coast of Yugoslavia), Signalman Smith was a member of a patrol of the Long Range Desert Group, which was attacked by saboteurs, who laid time-bombs in the vital houses of the Island. After hearing some shots, Signalman Smith entered the Wireless Room and found one such bomb on the table. Realising that there were a number of partisans in the room and young children elsewhere in the house, Signalman Smith immediately picked up the bomb, which was ticking.
He intended to move it to a place of safety behind a nearby wall, but he had only gone a few yards outside the house when the bomb exploded and he was blown to pieces.


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... unless you're talking about professional football, in which case it's some ponce who's paid £71000000 a year to kick an artificial pig bladder wrapped in a dead cow's skin around a plastic lawn for an hour and a half once a week.

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On chocolate poisoning, a website right below the inevitable wiki link says this:
The amount of theobromine in different chocolate types is shown below in milligrammes (mg) of theobromine per gramme of chocolate:-

Cooking or baking chocolate (dark) – 16mg per gramme
Dark chocolate – 5.5mg per gramme
Milk chocolate – 2.4mg per gramme
White chocolate – 0.01mg per gramme

The amount of theobromine that is fatal for dogs is given as between 100 and 250 mg per kg of the dog’s bodyweight. So if your dog weights only 10kg, as little as 60-70g of cooking chocolate could be fatal. This is not very much chocolate! With milk chocolate, the same dog would need to eat around 500g.


Another:
So theobromine is an alkaloid, meaning it’s part of the everyday chemistry of the plant world. The first plant alkaloid isolated (in 1804) was morphine from the flowering poppy. Other notable examples include cocaine (1860), nicotine (1828), caffeine (1820), strychnine (1818) and a host of pharmaceuticals including the anticancer drug Vincristine; the blood pressure medication, reserpine; and the antimalarial compound, quinine. According to the National Hazardous Substances Database: “It has been stated that “in large doses” theobromine may cause nausea and anorexia and that daily intake of 50-100 g cocoa (0.8-1.5 g theobromine) by humans has been associated with sweating, trembling and severe headache.” Occasionally, people (mostly the elderly) have needed hospital treatment for a theobromine reaction.

The theobromine LD50 is about 1000 mg/kg in humans. But for cats it’s 200 mg/kg and for dogs it’s 300 mg/kg – in other words, dangerous at a far lower dose.


Another number that may be of interest is TDlo, the smallest amount that's been known to cause detectable toxic effects:
Theobromine poisoning

Animal Oral toxicity (mg/kg)

LD50
Cat 200
Dog 300
Mouse 837
Rat 1265

TDLo
Dog 16
1g of baking chocolate or 3g of dark chocolate per kg of dog, then, and this?
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Re: Questions For The World

Postby addams » Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:36 am UTC

Why Dogs can't eat Chocolate.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6Ptlaxuuy0
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Postby SecondTalon » Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:12 pm UTC

pogrmman wrote:
SecondTalon wrote:Yeah, it’s harmful to humans.
1000 mg of chocolate per 1kg of weight.


Surely that’s just the level theobromine is toxic at, and not chocolate. I’ve definately eaten more dark chocolate than that number in one sitting before. I certainly didn’t get sick from it.

The average American weights 79kg (for men, it’s 86, and women 72) (side note — that’s way higher than I though it was — that means I’m 4” taller and 14kg lighter than the average American man). If chocolate is toxic at 1000 mg/kg, then only 80g of it should be toxic for the average American. While that’s a fair amount of chocolate, I can’t believe that it’s toxic in such low amounts (even for super dark chocolate). The recommended serving size is, what, 20g?

See, that’s what I get for foruming while at lunch on a phone - I forget to go back and replace my stand in for the actual word.
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Re: Questions For The World

Postby Moo » Wed May 02, 2018 7:52 am UTC

addams wrote:Lucy ate enough Pot Brownies for Four adult Humans.
Lucy was a sick Dog. Poor, Stupid thing.

It was no worse than when she ate over ten pound of raw beef.
No...The beef was worse. She got 'the shits' in the car.

I loved that Dog.
She was an ass.

I thought she liked children.
When she saw them, her tail would wag and she would get excited to go toward them.

She did not like children.
She knew how to mug them.

She ran up to the child, hit it with her nose.
The child dropped its food, Lucy ate the food.

Repeat.
Until all the children were crying.

I put her on a No Child diet.
I still miss that stupid Dog.
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Proverbs 9:7-8 wrote:Anyone who rebukes a mocker will get an insult in return. Anyone who corrects the wicked will get hurt. So don't bother correcting mockers; they will only hate you.
Hawknc wrote:FFT: I didn't realise Proverbs 9:7-8 was the first recorded instance of "haters gonna hate"

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Re: Questions For The World

Postby addams » Wed May 02, 2018 10:26 am UTC

Thank You, Moo.
Beware the friendly Black Lab.
They live by Food Alone.
Life is, just, an exchange of electrons; It is up to us to give it meaning.

We are all in The Gutter.
Some of us see The Gutter.
Some of us see The Stars.
by mr. Oscar Wilde.

Those that want to Know; Know.
Those that do not Know; Don't tell them.
They do terrible things to people that Tell Them.

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Re: Questions For The World

Postby heuristically_alone » Wed May 02, 2018 5:11 pm UTC

Food Alone is my cousin
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Re: Questions For The World

Postby addams » Wed May 02, 2018 8:10 pm UTC

heuristically_alone wrote:Food Alone is my cousin
(Smile)
That's cute.
Life is, just, an exchange of electrons; It is up to us to give it meaning.

We are all in The Gutter.
Some of us see The Gutter.
Some of us see The Stars.
by mr. Oscar Wilde.

Those that want to Know; Know.
Those that do not Know; Don't tell them.
They do terrible things to people that Tell Them.

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Re: Questions For The World

Postby PAstrychef » Thu May 03, 2018 1:44 pm UTC

Bread Alone is in Woodstock, NY. Great orange brioche there.
Don’t become a well-rounded person. Well rounded people are smooth and dull. Become a thoroughly spiky person. Grow spikes from every angle. Stick in their throats like a puffer fish.

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Re: Questions For The World

Postby heuristically_alone » Thu May 03, 2018 2:55 pm UTC

Yea we don't talk to him anymore.
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